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Old 01-17-2003, 07:18 PM   #1
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Sting Tolkien on another top 10

Gandalf the Grey has been ranked the tenth best sci-fi character in a recent poll by SFX mag. I thought this to be an honor until I saw who the other nine were, (besides the number one who I think deserve to be high on the list.)

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Old 01-17-2003, 07:50 PM   #2
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That list is very, very smelly. Half the characters are from "Buffy the Vampire Slayer" On that list, Gandalf should be number one, for sure.
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Old 01-17-2003, 08:01 PM   #3
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Top sci-fi characters of all time, eh?

Methinks this list is very much a product of its time.

But Dr Who at number one - that's heartening (unless, of course, they mean Colin Baker or Sylvester McCoy [img]smilies/eek.gif[/img] ).
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Old 01-19-2003, 03:38 PM   #4
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Buffy Characters Ranking 2nd and 3rd?!?!? What is UP with thesse people! Gandalf is By Far the greatest!
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Old 01-19-2003, 03:40 PM   #5
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Well, you have to think about all those 40-year old men sitting at home watching buffy. They're votes count too [img]smilies/wink.gif[/img]

I can see Dr.Who at the top considering this is a predominatly Sci-Fi poll. He has had more inpact on that genre than Gandalf.
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Old 01-19-2003, 03:45 PM   #6
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Should we perhaps be glad that even though we may not agree with the other choices, Gandalf making number ten is impressive considering this is a "top ten of all time science-fiction" and he is, of course, a fantasy character?
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Old 01-19-2003, 03:47 PM   #7
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Quite, as that was my main reason for posting. The extent of Tolkien's influence is cross-genre. People respond to the character of Gandalf as a literary character, not just a Fantasy character. Like Hamlet or Romeo and Juliet (as much as I hate to make a shakespeare referance when speaking of Tolkien)
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Old 01-19-2003, 03:52 PM   #8
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Indeed, Gandalf is a literary character also, but perhaps that genre is more acceptable considering that the LotR is a work of literature. I have yet to find the link between LotR and the science-fiction world [img]smilies/wink.gif[/img]
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Well, Tolkien wrote at the beginning of the century, when both genres were in their infancy. So his writing as a whole can be said to promote Sci-Fi. Fantasy and Sci-Fi are in essence the same thing, an escape from reality. He initiated fantasy (ignoring mythology such as Beowulf, and every religion, while assuming simply mainstream fantasy btw). They were one and the same in the beginning, and only recently have the two genres become seperated.
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True, and all genres evolved from one original but today I would say that fantasy is set in another world etc whereas Science-fiction has to have that scientific element to it. Something perhaps not so apparent in LotR?
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True, true. Fantasy is never a vision of things to come, as Sci-Fi can be. Which can really be said to be why Tolkien would be more drawn to it, as innovation was most certainly not his favorite thing. Fantasy, in my opinion, can be said to be more about civilization that Sci-Fi tends to be. Tolkien shows not only people, but cultures as a whole.
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And that is one of the reasons we love his works, is it not?
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Old 01-19-2003, 04:13 PM   #13
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Only one of the reasons, o'course. [img]smilies/biggrin.gif[/img]

It always seemed, however, that a person could relate to characters easier in Sci-Fi than in Fantasy (partialy due to the ever-so-frequent first person p.o.v. that Sci-Fi has). Thats one of the reasons for Tolkien's success, that people can relate to his characters as well as his cultures. We can all feel Sam's devotion, Frodo's Pain, and Aragorn's indecisiveness (about his being King).
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You forget Gollum's tourment, Boromir's struggle between what is right and wrong and his patriotism, Faramir's hope of proving himself, Eowyn's struggle against her love for the 'wrong' man and Arwen's choice to give up something for love...

All relative to this modern world?
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OH yes, Boromir's patriotism and what to do with the ring for his country is especially relevant to American's at this time (with war and such). Tolkien's characters are emotionally developed, which a lot of big Fantasy writers fail to do. They instead attempt to recreate his knack for detail (in surroundings and such), and forget to focus on the how the reader is going to identify.

Heh, in a way, Tolkien's characters are human. While other fantasy characters are not.
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Well, you have to think about all those 40-year old men sitting at home watching buffy. They're votes count too
Hey, that's a bit unfair on us 30-40 somethings, isn't it? ... Now, excuse me while I go and see whether Willow's managed to beat that magic addiction ... [img]smilies/rolleyes.gif[/img]

And, whoever said that Buffy was sci-fi, anyway?
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Old 01-19-2003, 10:13 PM   #17
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I shudder to call Buffy anything other than mass-apeal television directed towards people who enjoy...erm..well, "Buffy". The soap-opera Sci-Fi is all it is.
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