Map of Whole Ancient Earth - The Barrow-Downs Discussion Forum

balrogman · 01-29-2003, 05:16 PM

Hey does anyone know a site that shows a map of the whole ancient world(valinor,middle earth,east of mordor, etc...), not just middle earth plz?

Mattius · 01-29-2003, 05:18 PM

There are no other maps other than West of Middle Earth (including Beriland, the island of Numenor and I believe Valinor too but Im not sure about the last one.

[ January 29, 2003: Message edited by: Mattius ]

balrogman · 01-29-2003, 05:25 PM

ok thanks i just wanted to find out were valinor and numenor are in relation to middle earth.

Mattius · 01-29-2003, 05:30 PM

They are over the western sea

Elfchick7 · 01-29-2003, 06:13 PM

Welcome to BD Balrogman. [img]smilies/smile.gif[/img] I too have wondered if there is 1 map of all ME. [img]smilies/wink.gif[/img]

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**The Saucepan Man** · 01-29-2003, 07:29 PM

Happy haunting, Balrogman [img]smilies/smile.gif[/img] .

I believe that there are maps of the type you are looking for in a book called The Atlas of Middle Earth by Karen Wynn Fonstad. I have been meaning to get this for myself for some time, but have somehow not yet got round to it. [img]smilies/frown.gif[/img]

I do have The Illustrated Tolkien Encyclopedia by David Day, which has maps showing the development of Arda through the the Ages, but they are unfortunately not very detailed.

[ January 29, 2003: Message edited by: The Saucepan Man ]

eleanor_niphredil · 01-30-2003, 01:02 AM

I have two maps on my hard drive; one of Middle-earth and the Undying Lands and one of Numenor. Undfortunatly, I can see how to get them to you. Oh well, at least you know for sure that they exist.

Tenduriel · 01-30-2003, 03:24 AM

are there actually any maps at all of Valinor? it's just: I am very curious about how the "perfect" land would look like.

Jesse · 01-30-2003, 06:13 AM

If you own the original 1967 edition of the LotR, FotR like I do, in the back they have a map of Middle Earth drawn by Biblo. It's not really drawn by him, but it's the map he drew in The Hobbit.

Lalaith · 01-30-2003, 06:39 AM

I have the Middle Earth atlas. It is well researched, although the maps are only two-colour which makes them a bit hard to read. I recommend it, and it will answer your questions.

Jurion · 01-30-2003, 06:46 AM

Here are two maps, one is of Numenore
Map of Numenore
and one of the whole of Arda
Map of Arda
I don't know who drew them, hope this helps.

Inderjit Sanghera · 01-30-2003, 07:21 AM

Try buying HoME 4: Shaping of M-E.

LePetitChoux · 01-30-2003, 11:20 AM

There have been two threads that I know of on this same question. Here is the one I started, and I can't find the other one. [img]smilies/smile.gif[/img]

Inderjit Sanghera · 01-30-2003, 02:28 PM

Lalaith-Which M-E Atlas do you have? I wouldn't trust them if I was you.

Lalaith · 01-31-2003, 06:36 AM

I've got the Karen Wynn one. I only bought it recently, I haven't gone over it with a scholar's eye, I confess, I've just read through it fairly quickly. Do find it untrustworthy and if so why?

Grimbold · 01-31-2003, 11:03 AM

"A Tolkien Bestiary" by David Day features a map of all Arda and details all living things in the world of Arda recorded in Tolkien's writings. It also includes cool paintings of key events in the history of Arda, such as the destruction of the Trees of the Valar and the destruction of the Great Lamps before that.

Inderjit Sanghera · 01-31-2003, 01:10 PM

A Tolkien Besitray is tosh ,seriosuly, I own it. Mandos's halls are palced far to the south, Beleriand is totally screwed up too.

01-29-2003, 05:16 PM	#1
balrogman Wight Join Date: Jan 2003 Location: that place with the stuff Posts: 102	Map of Whole Ancient Earth Hey does anyone know a site that shows a map of the whole ancient world(valinor,middle earth,east of mordor, etc...), not just middle earth plz? __________________ should i stay or should i go?

01-29-2003, 05:18 PM	#2
Mattius Soul of Fire Join Date: Aug 2002 Location: City of Steel Posts: 693	There are no other maps other than West of Middle Earth (including Beriland, the island of Numenor and I believe Valinor too but Im not sure about the last one. [ January 29, 2003: Message edited by: Mattius ] __________________ A problem shared is a problem halved, so is your problem really yours or just half of someone else's?

01-29-2003, 05:25 PM	#3
balrogman Wight Join Date: Jan 2003 Location: that place with the stuff Posts: 102	ok thanks i just wanted to find out were valinor and numenor are in relation to middle earth. __________________ should i stay or should i go?

01-29-2003, 05:30 PM	#4
Mattius Soul of Fire Join Date: Aug 2002 Location: City of Steel Posts: 693	They are over the western sea __________________ A problem shared is a problem halved, so is your problem really yours or just half of someone else's?

01-29-2003, 06:13 PM	#5
Elfchick7 Wight Join Date: Jan 2003 Location: In the Greenwood Posts: 201	Welcome to BD Balrogman. [img]smilies/smile.gif[/img] I too have wondered if there is 1 map of all ME. [img]smilies/wink.gif[/img] --------------------------------- "Yesterday is gone, tommorow is not yet ours, and today is a gift from God that's why we call it the present!" __________________ "Yesterday is history. Tommorow is a mystery. Today is a gift from God. That's why it's called the PRESENT!"

01-29-2003, 07:29 PM	#6
The Saucepan Man Corpus Cacophonous Join Date: Jan 2003 Location: A green and pleasant land Posts: 8,468	Happy haunting, Balrogman [img]smilies/smile.gif[/img] . I believe that there are maps of the type you are looking for in a book called The Atlas of Middle Earth by Karen Wynn Fonstad. I have been meaning to get this for myself for some time, but have somehow not yet got round to it. [img]smilies/frown.gif[/img] I do have The Illustrated Tolkien Encyclopedia by David Day, which has maps showing the development of Arda through the the Ages, but they are unfortunately not very detailed. [ January 29, 2003: Message edited by: The Saucepan Man ] __________________ Do you mind? I'm busy doing the fishstick. It's a very delicate state of mind!

01-30-2003, 01:02 AM	#7
eleanor_niphredil Ghost Prince of Cardolan Join Date: Dec 2002 Location: england Posts: 812	I have two maps on my hard drive; one of Middle-earth and the Undying Lands and one of Numenor. Undfortunatly, I can see how to get them to you. Oh well, at least you know for sure that they exist. __________________ Here I am, brain the size of a planet, and they ask me to spend my time on this forum. And by the way, for any of you turning into a penguin, stop it. ~* I am Pippin took in the Female Fellowship*~

01-30-2003, 03:24 AM	#8
Tenduriel Animated Skeleton Join Date: Jan 2003 Location: Erreseä (temporary stay: Belgium) Posts: 37	are there actually any maps at all of Valinor? it's just: I am very curious about how the "perfect" land would look like. __________________ navaer! 5r#`C6R (Goodbye) O mór henion i dhû - Ely siriar, êl síla - Ai! Aniron Undómiel - Tiro! Êl eria e môr. - I 'lîr en êl luitha 'uren. - Ai! Aniron

01-30-2003, 06:13 AM	#9
Jesse Animated Skeleton Join Date: Jan 2003 Location: My home is in the Twin Cities, but my soul is at Loch Ness in Scotland Posts: 42	If you own the original 1967 edition of the LotR, FotR like I do, in the back they have a map of Middle Earth drawn by Biblo. It's not really drawn by him, but it's the map he drew in The Hobbit. __________________ --This post was made by Jesse

01-30-2003, 06:39 AM	#10
Lalaith Blithe Spirit Join Date: Jan 2003 Posts: 2,876	I have the Middle Earth atlas. It is well researched, although the maps are only two-colour which makes them a bit hard to read. I recommend it, and it will answer your questions. __________________ Out went the candle, and we were left darkling

01-30-2003, 06:46 AM	#11
Jurion Haunting Spirit Join Date: Jan 2003 Location: The Netherlands Posts: 85	Here are two maps, one is of Numenore Map of Numenore and one of the whole of Arda Map of Arda I don't know who drew them, hope this helps.

01-30-2003, 07:21 AM	#12
Inderjit Sanghera Ghost Prince of Cardolan Join Date: Nov 2002 Location: Wolverhampton, England Posts: 716	Try buying HoME 4: Shaping of M-E. __________________ “If I’m more of an influence on your son as a rapper then you are as a father then you've got to look at yourself as a parent” ~>Ice Cube. "Life is so beautiful"->Don Vito Corleone

01-30-2003, 11:20 AM	#13
LePetitChoux Vegetable of Doom Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: London Posts: 721	There have been two threads that I know of on this same question. Here is the one I started, and I can't find the other one. [img]smilies/smile.gif[/img] __________________ je suis une bonne odeur

01-30-2003, 02:28 PM	#14
Inderjit Sanghera Ghost Prince of Cardolan Join Date: Nov 2002 Location: Wolverhampton, England Posts: 716	Lalaith-Which M-E Atlas do you have? I wouldn't trust them if I was you. __________________ “If I’m more of an influence on your son as a rapper then you are as a father then you've got to look at yourself as a parent” ~>Ice Cube. "Life is so beautiful"->Don Vito Corleone

01-31-2003, 06:36 AM	#15
Lalaith Blithe Spirit Join Date: Jan 2003 Posts: 2,876	I've got the Karen Wynn one. I only bought it recently, I haven't gone over it with a scholar's eye, I confess, I've just read through it fairly quickly. Do find it untrustworthy and if so why? __________________ Out went the candle, and we were left darkling

01-31-2003, 11:03 AM	#16
Grimbold Haunting Spirit Join Date: Jan 2003 Location: Númenor Posts: 88	"A Tolkien Bestiary" by David Day features a map of all Arda and details all living things in the world of Arda recorded in Tolkien's writings. It also includes cool paintings of key events in the history of Arda, such as the destruction of the Trees of the Valar and the destruction of the Great Lamps before that. __________________ Where is the horse and the rider? Where is the horn that was blowing? They have passed like rain on the mountains. Like wind in the meadow. The days have gone down in the west. Behind the hills, into shadow. How did it come to this?

01-31-2003, 01:10 PM	#17
Inderjit Sanghera Ghost Prince of Cardolan Join Date: Nov 2002 Location: Wolverhampton, England Posts: 716	A Tolkien Besitray is tosh ,seriosuly, I own it. Mandos's halls are palced far to the south, Beleriand is totally screwed up too. __________________ “If I’m more of an influence on your son as a rapper then you are as a father then you've got to look at yourself as a parent” ~>Ice Cube. "Life is so beautiful"->Don Vito Corleone