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02-07-2003, 11:49 AM | #1 |
Pile O'Bones
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did shadowfax leave?
did shadowfax leave Middle-Earth with Gandalf at the end???
it is not explicitly stated in the works.. they were pretty good friends, so he did? right?? Do you know? [img]smilies/rolleyes.gif[/img] |
02-07-2003, 02:18 PM | #2 |
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Is it safe for me to put in an emphatic no?
H.C.
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02-07-2003, 02:48 PM | #3 |
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Although, it is not mentioned in ROTK I doubt it VERY much. Shadowfax was not a ring bearer so it is pretty unlikely that he would have gone with Gandalf to the Grey Havens. Read the book next time....sorry if thats a little harsh! [img]smilies/biggrin.gif[/img]
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02-07-2003, 03:10 PM | #4 |
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I have always believed that Shadowfax departed from Middle-earth with Gandalf. But unless Tolkien specifically stated it somewhere, we can only guess at the truth - as it is with a lot of things in Middle-earth.
T.G. [ February 07, 2003: Message edited by: TolkienGurl ]
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02-07-2003, 03:27 PM | #5 |
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Posts (and sometimes posters) lose all credibility when they include any variation on the phrase 'I read it in a Tolkien guide.'
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02-07-2003, 03:42 PM | #6 |
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At the end of RotK Gandalf is at the Havens with "a great, grey horse". I have always thought it was Shadowfax. Why wouldn't it be?
Also notable: Gandalf had said in TTT "Far let us ride now together, and part not in this world again!" (bold is mine) I apologize, obloquy, for sounding like a know it all in my previous post. I didn't realize that Tolkien Guides are not considered very reliable. Thanks for letting me know. T.G.
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Like Obloguy I cant take anything like 'The Tolkien Companion' or anything else written by David Day serious!! But I have always felt certain that Shadowfax went over the Sea. The two quotes above argues on that point, I think. Secondly Shadowfax is stated in LOTR to be one of the Mearas, desendted from Nahar, the divine horse of Orome - that speaks for that Shadowfax was allowed to sail to Eressea or Aman. Thirdly he was probably the most valuable possesion of Gandalf at the end of the 3rd Age - And I think he had pretty big word to say ;o) Cheers Telchar
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02-07-2003, 04:39 PM | #8 |
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i would like to think shadowfax went to Aman but if its not wrote yes or no i gess we'l never know.
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JRRT addressed this subject in Letter 268:
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02-07-2003, 10:05 PM | #10 |
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Tar Elenion - thanks! That should probably settle it.
I had always rather thought that Gandalf and Shadowfax went together, mostly due to the "do not let us part in this world again" quote, though I was wondering whether "this world" could be interpreted to mean just Middle-Earth, or whether the Undying Lands could be included in that statement as well. As for Shadowfax not being a Ringbearer ( [img]smilies/smile.gif[/img]) - well, Gimli was allowed to accompany Legolas some two hundred-odd years later, due to the special nature of their friendship (and I mean that in an entirely G-rated sense). I suppose we could see Shadowfax as a parallel case - an exception made for a firm friend.
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