Riddles in the Downs - Page 14 - The Barrow-Downs Discussion Forum

mhagain · 12-18-2006, 03:26 PM

OK, if we're making up nonsenses it's hint time.

This is not a Rings character, but he was around during the 3rd age.

The Might · 12-18-2006, 03:37 PM

Gildor Inglorion?

Legate of Amon Lanc · 12-18-2006, 03:41 PM

Maglor?

He stayed there and they never saw him again, probably, he might have been around in the 3rd.

mhagain · 12-18-2006, 04:15 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Legate of Amon Lanc

Maglor?

He stayed there and they never saw him again, probably, he might have been around in the 3rd.

Take a bow, and take the floor.

Legate of Amon Lanc · 12-19-2006, 05:31 AM

Really? Oh, great... so... here goes the riddle:

High Elves, High Kings
asked for me.
What might or might
not have come back
over the Sea?
With seven stars,
with one of stones,
twice he had me.

The Might · 12-19-2006, 06:57 AM

the Silmaril?

Legate of Amon Lanc · 12-19-2006, 09:21 AM

Nope.

Rune Son of Bjarne · 12-19-2006, 10:45 AM

For some reason it got me thinking of Arwen. . .I don't really know why.

The Might · 12-19-2006, 10:59 AM

Elendilmir

Valier · 12-19-2006, 11:03 AM

Eärendil?

Legate of Amon Lanc · 12-19-2006, 11:07 AM

No. Think of the last line, and the part of

What might or might
not have come back
over the sea?

it has its meaning as well.

The Might · 12-19-2006, 11:10 AM

Anduril perhaps?

Legate of Amon Lanc · 12-19-2006, 11:23 AM

No, no and no. Read it carefully and mind what I said before. Anduril certainly is not something

What might or might
not have come back
over the sea

mhagain · 12-19-2006, 01:03 PM

I think Glorfindel?

Legate of Amon Lanc · 12-19-2006, 01:09 PM

Again, not. I suggest everyone, read carefully the riddle. It has three parts, in general, so try to find out that the thing you guess fits well with every one of them. If you want more hints, ask.

High Elves, High Kings
asked for me.

What might or might
not have come back
over the Sea?

With seven stars,
with one of stones,
twice he had me.

The Might · 12-19-2006, 03:53 PM

Gandalf?

Gil-Galad · 12-19-2006, 07:17 PM

I'm thinking the Palantir now

and Orome too must mostly Palantir

Legate of Amon Lanc · 12-20-2006, 06:37 AM

No, still not right.
More guesses or should I give you a hint?

The Might · 12-20-2006, 07:07 AM

the Elessar perhaps

Legate of Amon Lanc · 12-20-2006, 07:30 AM

You are right! It's the Elessar. It is nice that the two of us start ruling this forum as well... but when you weren't watching, someone else stole the first one from us. Okay, now seriously. For those of you who might be confused, the riddle refers to the Elessar as a thing, which was of interest for both the Kings of Edain and the High Elves (in UT, it is said that Elessar was made in Gondolin and went to Elwing and Eärendil, then there is a story of Galadriel wishing the Elessar were there). In UT there are two versions of how it came to Aragorn, one of them is that it was the original Elessar brought back from the Undying lands (where it was left by Eärendil), the other is that this Elessar is a different one made by Celebrimbor for Galadriel. And the last verses refer to Aragorn, as he had Elessar twice: he possessed the stone, and Elessar, of course, was his name by then.

TM it's your turn now.

The Might · 12-20-2006, 01:34 PM

I thought a lot about the Elendilmir in the beginning, since it was also made twice, and then I remembered the same is true about the Elendilmir
anyway, next riddle:

Graced by the touch of three ladies hands

Beneath hills I lie beyond mortal lands

By pride and greed my master was devoured,

My brother came to rest in the West-Tower.

The Might · 12-29-2006, 10:19 AM

no takers ???

Legate of Amon Lanc · 12-29-2006, 10:55 AM

If the West-Tower were not there, I'd say Túrin Turambar.

...or had the three ladies not been there, I'd say twenty more completely different things

The Might · 12-29-2006, 11:07 AM

nope, not Turin...

Legate of Amon Lanc · 12-31-2006, 05:22 AM

Mmm, I don't know if anyone tried to solve this, but I spent some time on it now and I must say that am a quite perplex. Could you provide a little hint, please?

The Might · 12-31-2006, 05:25 AM

it is an obejct, not a person

and I know it's hard

12-31-2006, 09:46 AM

West Tower could be Annuminas and beyond mortal lands could be Tower of Avallone...

Stone of Annuminas..*is very confused now*

Legate of Amon Lanc · 12-31-2006, 09:53 AM

I supposed it might be an object rather than a character when the Turin idea failed

I have thought about the Silmarilli, but I'm not sure. The hills don't fit.

The Might · 12-31-2006, 10:52 AM

sorry, but both answers are wrong

Gil-Galad · 01-01-2007, 03:47 PM

Beren perhaps?

a hint would be nice

Legate of Amon Lanc · 01-01-2007, 04:58 PM

TM, please, I hope it is not the Elendilmir!!!

The Might · 01-01-2007, 05:23 PM

lol....Gil-Galad, I doubt I would call Beren an object

not, not the Elendilmir

Gil-Galad · 01-01-2007, 08:51 PM

i so got to read more

it sounds like one of the rings of power...but which one... perhaps Galadriels ring... but then again the greed sounds more of a Dwarven one...

Legate of Amon Lanc · 01-02-2007, 07:07 AM

Arkenstone came up to my mind, but it has no "brothers" as far as I know.
wait... Orcrist? But no, I guess if you gave us one more little hint, it'd be fine

The Might · 01-02-2007, 10:02 AM

it is not a ring...
and it is similar to the Elendilmir as far as origin is concerned

Legate of Amon Lanc · 01-02-2007, 01:27 PM

A-hah, I think I finally got it! Well, that was some riddle, TM!

The "three ladies" are the Three Ruling Queens of Númenor,
"beneath hills beyond mortal lands" is on the shores of Aman under mountains in the Caves of the Forgotten, where
"the master who was devoured by greed and power", Ar-Pharazon, lies along with all his men till the Last Battle and the Judgement Day.
The "brother" is the sceptre of Annúminas (the West-Tower) which was made to replace the lost Sceptre of Númenor for the Arnorian kings.

Thus, Sceptre of Númenor is the answer.

The Might · 01-02-2007, 01:33 PM

yes

Legate of Amon Lanc · 01-03-2007, 11:02 AM

I'm the last,
though there's one yet after me.
I know the river
But I don't know about sea.
Wicked hearts and arms of stone I knew
as well as little folk in ancient time
a wind from far and barren lands in view
With three legs; I can never move or die.

The Might · 01-03-2007, 12:00 PM

GREAT riddle Legate

I'd say Methedras

Legate of Amon Lanc · 01-03-2007, 02:49 PM

Thanks very much

A praise from riddler of your caliber is really flattering.
Unfortunately, I have to inform you that Methedras is not the right answer

Although, it was a very good attempt, it would almost fit, but there is something which fits even more.

12-18-2006, 03:37 PM	#522
The Might Guard of the Citadel Join Date: Dec 2006 Location: Oxon Posts: 2,287	Gildor Inglorion? __________________ “The invisible and the non-existent look very much alike.” Delos B. McKown

12-18-2006, 03:41 PM	#523
Legate of Amon Lanc A Voice That Gainsayeth Join Date: Nov 2006 Location: In that far land beyond the Sea Posts: 7,606	Maglor? He stayed there and they never saw him again, probably, he might have been around in the 3rd. __________________ "Should the story say 'he ate bread,' the dramatic producer can only show 'a piece of bread' according to his taste or fancy, but the hearer of the story will think of bread in general and picture it in some form of his own." -On Fairy-Stories

12-19-2006, 05:31 AM	#525
Legate of Amon Lanc A Voice That Gainsayeth Join Date: Nov 2006 Location: In that far land beyond the Sea Posts: 7,606	Really? Oh, great... so... here goes the riddle: High Elves, High Kings asked for me. What might or might not have come back over the Sea? With seven stars, with one of stones, twice he had me. __________________ "Should the story say 'he ate bread,' the dramatic producer can only show 'a piece of bread' according to his taste or fancy, but the hearer of the story will think of bread in general and picture it in some form of his own." -On Fairy-Stories

12-19-2006, 06:57 AM	#526
The Might Guard of the Citadel Join Date: Dec 2006 Location: Oxon Posts: 2,287	the Silmaril? __________________ “The invisible and the non-existent look very much alike.” Delos B. McKown

12-19-2006, 09:21 AM	#527
Legate of Amon Lanc A Voice That Gainsayeth Join Date: Nov 2006 Location: In that far land beyond the Sea Posts: 7,606	Nope. __________________ "Should the story say 'he ate bread,' the dramatic producer can only show 'a piece of bread' according to his taste or fancy, but the hearer of the story will think of bread in general and picture it in some form of his own." -On Fairy-Stories

12-18-2006, 03:26 PM	#521
mhagain Wight Join Date: Dec 2006 Location: The best seat in the Golden Perch Posts: 219	OK, if we're making up nonsenses it's hint time. This is not a Rings character, but he was around during the 3rd age.

12-19-2006, 10:59 AM	#529
The Might Guard of the Citadel Join Date: Dec 2006 Location: Oxon Posts: 2,287	Elendilmir __________________ “The invisible and the non-existent look very much alike.” Delos B. McKown

12-19-2006, 11:03 AM	#530
Valier Twisted Taleswapper Join Date: Dec 2005 Location: somewhere between sanity and insanity Posts: 1,737	Eärendil? __________________ grand return?........

12-19-2006, 11:07 AM	#531
Legate of Amon Lanc A Voice That Gainsayeth Join Date: Nov 2006 Location: In that far land beyond the Sea Posts: 7,606	No. Think of the last line, and the part of What might or might not have come back over the sea? it has its meaning as well. __________________ "Should the story say 'he ate bread,' the dramatic producer can only show 'a piece of bread' according to his taste or fancy, but the hearer of the story will think of bread in general and picture it in some form of his own." -On Fairy-Stories

12-19-2006, 11:10 AM	#532
The Might Guard of the Citadel Join Date: Dec 2006 Location: Oxon Posts: 2,287	Anduril perhaps? __________________ “The invisible and the non-existent look very much alike.” Delos B. McKown

12-19-2006, 11:23 AM	#533
Legate of Amon Lanc A Voice That Gainsayeth Join Date: Nov 2006 Location: In that far land beyond the Sea Posts: 7,606	No, no and no. Read it carefully and mind what I said before. Anduril certainly is not something What might or might not have come back over the sea __________________ "Should the story say 'he ate bread,' the dramatic producer can only show 'a piece of bread' according to his taste or fancy, but the hearer of the story will think of bread in general and picture it in some form of his own." -On Fairy-Stories

12-19-2006, 01:03 PM	#534
mhagain Wight Join Date: Dec 2006 Location: The best seat in the Golden Perch Posts: 219	I think Glorfindel?

12-19-2006, 01:09 PM	#535
Legate of Amon Lanc A Voice That Gainsayeth Join Date: Nov 2006 Location: In that far land beyond the Sea Posts: 7,606	Again, not. I suggest everyone, read carefully the riddle. It has three parts, in general, so try to find out that the thing you guess fits well with every one of them. If you want more hints, ask. High Elves, High Kings asked for me. What might or might not have come back over the Sea? With seven stars, with one of stones, twice he had me. __________________ "Should the story say 'he ate bread,' the dramatic producer can only show 'a piece of bread' according to his taste or fancy, but the hearer of the story will think of bread in general and picture it in some form of his own." -On Fairy-Stories

12-19-2006, 03:53 PM	#536
The Might Guard of the Citadel Join Date: Dec 2006 Location: Oxon Posts: 2,287	Gandalf? __________________ “The invisible and the non-existent look very much alike.” Delos B. McKown

12-19-2006, 07:17 PM	#537
Gil-Galad Psyche of Prince Immortal Join Date: Feb 2003 Location: Above a Parapet Obvious exits are: North, South, and Dennis Posts: 5,054	I'm thinking the Palantir now and Orome too must mostly Palantir __________________ Love doesn't blow up and get killed.

12-20-2006, 06:37 AM	#538
Legate of Amon Lanc A Voice That Gainsayeth Join Date: Nov 2006 Location: In that far land beyond the Sea Posts: 7,606	No, still not right. More guesses or should I give you a hint? __________________ "Should the story say 'he ate bread,' the dramatic producer can only show 'a piece of bread' according to his taste or fancy, but the hearer of the story will think of bread in general and picture it in some form of his own." -On Fairy-Stories

12-20-2006, 07:07 AM	#539
The Might Guard of the Citadel Join Date: Dec 2006 Location: Oxon Posts: 2,287	the Elessar perhaps __________________ “The invisible and the non-existent look very much alike.” Delos B. McKown

12-20-2006, 07:30 AM	#540
Legate of Amon Lanc A Voice That Gainsayeth Join Date: Nov 2006 Location: In that far land beyond the Sea Posts: 7,606	Very good! You are right! It's the Elessar. It is nice that the two of us start ruling this forum as well... but when you weren't watching, someone else stole the first one from us. Okay, now seriously. For those of you who might be confused, the riddle refers to the Elessar as a thing, which was of interest for both the Kings of Edain and the High Elves (in UT, it is said that Elessar was made in Gondolin and went to Elwing and Eärendil, then there is a story of Galadriel wishing the Elessar were there). In UT there are two versions of how it came to Aragorn, one of them is that it was the original Elessar brought back from the Undying lands (where it was left by Eärendil), the other is that this Elessar is a different one made by Celebrimbor for Galadriel. And the last verses refer to Aragorn, as he had Elessar twice: he possessed the stone, and Elessar, of course, was his name by then. TM it's your turn now. __________________ "Should the story say 'he ate bread,' the dramatic producer can only show 'a piece of bread' according to his taste or fancy, but the hearer of the story will think of bread in general and picture it in some form of his own." -On Fairy-Stories

12-20-2006, 01:34 PM	#541
The Might Guard of the Citadel Join Date: Dec 2006 Location: Oxon Posts: 2,287	I thought a lot about the Elendilmir in the beginning, since it was also made twice, and then I remembered the same is true about the Elendilmir anyway, next riddle: Graced by the touch of three ladies hands Beneath hills I lie beyond mortal lands By pride and greed my master was devoured, My brother came to rest in the West-Tower. __________________ “The invisible and the non-existent look very much alike.” Delos B. McKown Last edited by The Might; 12-29-2006 at 10:19 AM.

12-29-2006, 10:19 AM	#542
The Might Guard of the Citadel Join Date: Dec 2006 Location: Oxon Posts: 2,287	no takers ??? __________________ “The invisible and the non-existent look very much alike.” Delos B. McKown

12-29-2006, 10:55 AM	#543
Legate of Amon Lanc A Voice That Gainsayeth Join Date: Nov 2006 Location: In that far land beyond the Sea Posts: 7,606	If the West-Tower were not there, I'd say Túrin Turambar. ...or had the three ladies not been there, I'd say twenty more completely different things __________________ "Should the story say 'he ate bread,' the dramatic producer can only show 'a piece of bread' according to his taste or fancy, but the hearer of the story will think of bread in general and picture it in some form of his own." -On Fairy-Stories

12-29-2006, 11:07 AM	#544
The Might Guard of the Citadel Join Date: Dec 2006 Location: Oxon Posts: 2,287	nope, not Turin... __________________ “The invisible and the non-existent look very much alike.” Delos B. McKown

12-31-2006, 05:22 AM	#545
Legate of Amon Lanc A Voice That Gainsayeth Join Date: Nov 2006 Location: In that far land beyond the Sea Posts: 7,606	Mmm, I don't know if anyone tried to solve this, but I spent some time on it now and I must say that am a quite perplex. Could you provide a little hint, please? __________________ "Should the story say 'he ate bread,' the dramatic producer can only show 'a piece of bread' according to his taste or fancy, but the hearer of the story will think of bread in general and picture it in some form of his own." -On Fairy-Stories

12-31-2006, 05:25 AM	#546
The Might Guard of the Citadel Join Date: Dec 2006 Location: Oxon Posts: 2,287	it is an obejct, not a person and I know it's hard __________________ “The invisible and the non-existent look very much alike.” Delos B. McKown

12-31-2006, 09:46 AM	#547
Wishmaster Guest Posts: n/a	West Tower could be Annuminas and beyond mortal lands could be Tower of Avallone... Stone of Annuminas..is very confused now

12-31-2006, 09:53 AM	#548
Legate of Amon Lanc A Voice That Gainsayeth Join Date: Nov 2006 Location: In that far land beyond the Sea Posts: 7,606	I supposed it might be an object rather than a character when the Turin idea failed I have thought about the Silmarilli, but I'm not sure. The hills don't fit. __________________ "Should the story say 'he ate bread,' the dramatic producer can only show 'a piece of bread' according to his taste or fancy, but the hearer of the story will think of bread in general and picture it in some form of his own." -On Fairy-Stories

12-31-2006, 10:52 AM	#549
The Might Guard of the Citadel Join Date: Dec 2006 Location: Oxon Posts: 2,287	sorry, but both answers are wrong __________________ “The invisible and the non-existent look very much alike.” Delos B. McKown

01-01-2007, 03:47 PM	#550
Gil-Galad Psyche of Prince Immortal Join Date: Feb 2003 Location: Above a Parapet Obvious exits are: North, South, and Dennis Posts: 5,054	Beren perhaps? a hint would be nice __________________ Love doesn't blow up and get killed.

01-01-2007, 04:58 PM	#551
Legate of Amon Lanc A Voice That Gainsayeth Join Date: Nov 2006 Location: In that far land beyond the Sea Posts: 7,606	TM, please, I hope it is not the Elendilmir!!! __________________ "Should the story say 'he ate bread,' the dramatic producer can only show 'a piece of bread' according to his taste or fancy, but the hearer of the story will think of bread in general and picture it in some form of his own." -On Fairy-Stories

01-01-2007, 05:23 PM	#552
The Might Guard of the Citadel Join Date: Dec 2006 Location: Oxon Posts: 2,287	lol....Gil-Galad, I doubt I would call Beren an object not, not the Elendilmir __________________ “The invisible and the non-existent look very much alike.” Delos B. McKown

01-01-2007, 08:51 PM	#553
Gil-Galad Psyche of Prince Immortal Join Date: Feb 2003 Location: Above a Parapet Obvious exits are: North, South, and Dennis Posts: 5,054	i so got to read more it sounds like one of the rings of power...but which one... perhaps Galadriels ring... but then again the greed sounds more of a Dwarven one... __________________ Love doesn't blow up and get killed.

01-02-2007, 07:07 AM	#554
Legate of Amon Lanc A Voice That Gainsayeth Join Date: Nov 2006 Location: In that far land beyond the Sea Posts: 7,606	Arkenstone came up to my mind, but it has no "brothers" as far as I know. wait... Orcrist? But no, I guess if you gave us one more little hint, it'd be fine __________________ "Should the story say 'he ate bread,' the dramatic producer can only show 'a piece of bread' according to his taste or fancy, but the hearer of the story will think of bread in general and picture it in some form of his own." -On Fairy-Stories

01-02-2007, 10:02 AM	#555
The Might Guard of the Citadel Join Date: Dec 2006 Location: Oxon Posts: 2,287	it is not a ring... and it is similar to the Elendilmir as far as origin is concerned __________________ “The invisible and the non-existent look very much alike.” Delos B. McKown

01-02-2007, 01:27 PM	#556
Legate of Amon Lanc A Voice That Gainsayeth Join Date: Nov 2006 Location: In that far land beyond the Sea Posts: 7,606	A-hah, I think I finally got it! Well, that was some riddle, TM! The "three ladies" are the Three Ruling Queens of Númenor, "beneath hills beyond mortal lands" is on the shores of Aman under mountains in the Caves of the Forgotten, where "the master who was devoured by greed and power", Ar-Pharazon, lies along with all his men till the Last Battle and the Judgement Day. The "brother" is the sceptre of Annúminas (the West-Tower) which was made to replace the lost Sceptre of Númenor for the Arnorian kings. Thus, Sceptre of Númenor is the answer. __________________ "Should the story say 'he ate bread,' the dramatic producer can only show 'a piece of bread' according to his taste or fancy, but the hearer of the story will think of bread in general and picture it in some form of his own." -On Fairy-Stories

01-02-2007, 01:33 PM	#557
The Might Guard of the Citadel Join Date: Dec 2006 Location: Oxon Posts: 2,287	yes __________________ “The invisible and the non-existent look very much alike.” Delos B. McKown