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bilbo_baggins · 05-16-2003, 11:06 AM

In the Fellowship, Aragorn and company are in Lothlorien and on the hill of Caras Galadon Aragorn states(in elvish):"Arwen vanimelda, namarie". I know that Arwen is his betrothed and namarie means farewell, but I don't know what vanimelda means.

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manaratowen · 05-16-2003, 12:38 PM

according to the languages of tolkien's middle-earth by ruth s. noel: vanimelda Q vanya = fair, mel = love.
so im guessing he said something along the lines of farewell my fair love arwen. dont know if this helps, but i tried.

[ May 16, 2003: Message edited by: manaratowen ]

Guinevere · 05-16-2003, 12:50 PM

According to "Ardalambion" :

Vanima = beautiful
elda = 1. adj. "of the stars"
2. noun "one of the people of the stars= high elf (pl.Eldar)

So it means: Arwen, beautiful Elf

Falagar · 05-16-2003, 02:53 PM

From Ardalambion:

Quote:

- Arwen vanimelda, namárië! "Fair Arwen [lit. Arwen your beauty], farewell!" - Aragorn's farewell to Arwen on Cerin Amroth, repeated by him as he recollected the scene on the same spot many years later. The first edition had vanimalda instead of vanimelda. (LotR1/II, end of Ch. 6, translated in WJ:369. The version in LotR has namarië instead of namárië, but both WJ:369 and other sources [one of them in LotR itself] confirm that the second vowel should be á, not a.)

Scott · 05-16-2003, 02:59 PM

Alright,
So on Ardalambion there is a word "vanimalda" and a word "Vanimelde" with the two dots over it's last e (at a loss for the formal term at the moment) which mean "your beautiful/beautiful one" and a feminine name meaning "Beautiful-Dear-One", respectively.
Also, assuming that maybe there are alternate spellings of the phrase (due to revisions and what not), I found "Arwen vanimalda" which was stated to mean beautiful Arwen.
So the phrase probably means "Beautiful Arwen, fairwell."
And I'm outie -
~Scott

05-16-2003, 11:06 AM	#1
bilbo_baggins Shade of Carn Dûm Join Date: May 2003 Location: In my front hallway, grabbing my staff, about to head out my door Posts: 275	An elvish word that needs translating In the Fellowship, Aragorn and company are in Lothlorien and on the hill of Caras Galadon Aragorn states(in elvish):"Arwen vanimelda, namarie". I know that Arwen is his betrothed and namarie means farewell, but I don't know what vanimelda means. note: I have listed any false statements, please tell me. [img]smilies/smile.gif[/img] __________________ "For with much wisdom comes much sorrow, and with more knowledge comes more grief."

05-16-2003, 12:38 PM	#2
manaratowen Pile O'Bones Join Date: Apr 2003 Location: Wheaton Posts: 23	according to the languages of tolkien's middle-earth by ruth s. noel: vanimelda Q vanya = fair, mel = love. so im guessing he said something along the lines of farewell my fair love arwen. dont know if this helps, but i tried. [ May 16, 2003: Message edited by: manaratowen ] __________________ "If we deny love that is given to us, if we refuse to give love because we fear the pain of loss, then our lives will be empty, our loss greater."

05-16-2003, 12:50 PM	#3
Guinevere Banshee of Camelot Join Date: May 2002 Location: Switzerland Posts: 5,831	According to "Ardalambion" : Vanima = beautiful elda = 1. adj. "of the stars" 2. noun "one of the people of the stars= high elf (pl.Eldar) So it means: Arwen, beautiful Elf __________________ Yes! "wish-fulfilment dreams" we spin to cheat our timid hearts, and ugly Fact defeat!

05-16-2003, 02:59 PM	#5
Scott Wight Join Date: Feb 2003 Location: Ohio/Grey Havens Posts: 183	Alright, So on Ardalambion there is a word "vanimalda" and a word "Vanimelde" with the two dots over it's last e (at a loss for the formal term at the moment) which mean "your beautiful/beautiful one" and a feminine name meaning "Beautiful-Dear-One", respectively. Also, assuming that maybe there are alternate spellings of the phrase (due to revisions and what not), I found "Arwen vanimalda" which was stated to mean beautiful Arwen. So the phrase probably means "Beautiful Arwen, fairwell." And I'm outie - ~Scott __________________ Those who the Gods would destroy, They first make mad. ~Those Crazy Greeks