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Old 09-19-2002, 08:06 PM   #1
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Sting kraken ?

what is a kraken ? in the site , there and back again, in the lore section, and under maiar spirits, it says kraken, although you cant select it to read about it. wasnt this in the story with medusas head, that could kill the kraken, in greek mythology ? where in tolkiens writings does he speak of this ?
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Old 09-19-2002, 08:11 PM   #2
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I think it's some sort of sea monster (I get this because Sea World has a roller coaster by that name & it has something to do with sea monters).
It's a long shot-but who knows [img]smilies/smile.gif[/img]
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Old 09-19-2002, 08:24 PM   #3
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kraken
SYLLABICATION: kra·ken
PRONUNCIATION: AUDIO: kräkn*****KEY
NOUN: A huge sea monster in Norwegian legend.
ETYMOLOGY: Norwegian dialectal : krake, kraken + Norwegian -n, suffixed definite article.
Ha! Well, what do ya know... I was right! And I was just guessing because of a roller coaster name! [img]smilies/biggrin.gif[/img]
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Old 09-20-2002, 03:36 AM   #4
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A Kraken is a large sea monster (giant squid/octopus)...i remember reading it somewhere...
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Old 09-20-2002, 05:59 AM   #5
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could the watcher in the water be a kraken then ?
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Old 09-20-2002, 06:20 AM   #6
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Yeah, never thought of that actually...it could be. Or is it another one of Tolkien's creatures?
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Old 09-20-2002, 06:17 PM   #7
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does anyone have anything where this is mentioned in any tolkien writinngs ?
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Old 09-20-2002, 08:04 PM   #8
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I am pretty sure that somewhere it says that one name for the watcher in the water is kraken. I have no idea where. Wait, my little bro says that it says that in the apendix of LOTR. But then he has been known to be wrong. Oh well.
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Old 09-20-2002, 08:19 PM   #9
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Little siblings are not to be trusted [img]smilies/wink.gif[/img]
Anywho, I always thought of a kraken as a kind of general term for a giant squid, so in my mind, the Watcher in the Water fell under the catagory of "kraken"...
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Old 09-21-2002, 08:03 AM   #10
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It is a giant squid.
There's a very famous poem entitled The Kraken, and Tolkien probably took inspirtation from that. Other than that, it's a sort of 'bogey-man' child's monster that they use in Norway. My mum's from there, so I got told the same stories about 'The Kraken will get you' etc...
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Old 09-21-2002, 08:29 AM   #11
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A kraken is a giant sea monster of some sort, and I remember reading somewhere (not in anything by Tolkien, sadly) that they takes thousands and thousands of years to grow to their full size, so that might apply to the Watcher in the Water. Also, it said that it had 'eight, wavery, wobbly, legs', so that's a further implication.
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Old 09-21-2002, 09:58 PM   #12
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Not to mention that Tolkien liked to steal ideas from the norse myths
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Old 09-23-2002, 10:35 AM   #13
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Tsss...not stealing (shame on you Orome [img]smilies/wink.gif[/img]), he got inspiration from it. [img]smilies/smile.gif[/img] Well, uh, that´s my opinion anyway.
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Old 09-23-2002, 02:37 PM   #14
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Very true, very true. Besides, can you really say that he "stole" elves and dwarves?
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Old 09-23-2002, 04:08 PM   #15
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I believe the watcher is a Kraken. Now how does a sea monster get into a small inland lake?
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Old 09-26-2002, 08:48 PM   #16
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true you cant say he stole the elves and dwarves, but his myths did have a tendency to inclued things that are strikingly similar to various norse myths. the Kraken could have gotten there as a itty bitty kraken and then grown up. it may have been rained down like frogs and salamanders do sometimes
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Old 09-27-2002, 04:43 AM   #17
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LOL! Raining frogs!!
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Old 09-27-2002, 05:58 AM   #18
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It's not much fun when it's raining giant seamonsters [img]smilies/confused.gif[/img] [img]smilies/smile.gif[/img]
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Old 09-27-2002, 02:18 PM   #19
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True, but I think I'd like to see it rain frogs sometime. Raining worms just isn't the same [img]smilies/frown.gif[/img]
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