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Aylwen Dreamsong · 11-27-2002, 09:00 AM

In an article in the Times a magazine in the U.S. (is it in other countries?) It goes more in-depth with TTT. Or at least as in-depth as an un-baised reporter can be.At one point, the writer puts a quote from Peter Jackson about the direction of the film and how close it is to the books. I don't have the exact quote, as I left the magazine in my da's car, but it went on about how TTT is the furthest from the book of all the movies. Also, he stated that "...as long as the movie is good, I am sure that no matter what crimes I commit, true Tolkien fans will be able to forgive me..." (again, not exact quote.). What do you think? What kind of 'crimes' do you think PJ will commit and will 'we' be able to 'forgive' him? Another part in the article writes a small paragraph of the main characters to be seen in TTT. To my distaste, Arwen is on there, leaving out Sam, Pippin, Merry, Eowyn, Saruman, etc. Does this mean anything? Thanks, Aylwen

Eruwen · 11-27-2002, 09:07 AM

Well, I think the Arwen thing is just that her and Aragorn have that little thing..."Oh, you have to leave Middle Earth"..."No, I don't want to leave you." Bla Bla Bla.But the rest of it, hmmm....sounds interesting. I have no clue what that will mean. I mean, he can't change the movie THAT much can he? I would think he would stay as closest to the book as humanly possible. But ya know, it's Holleywood. They are always changing great classics just to meet the likings of those people who don't read the books.It's like in the movie, The Count of Monte Cristo. The director made a quote in an interview that said somewhat..."My job wasn't to make a book. It was to make a movie." That is just how things are done in the movie business I guess.

Hanna_Gamgee · 11-27-2002, 12:13 PM

Im guessing the crime hes talking about is killing Saruman in TTT instead of ROTK and having the elves possibly at helms deep. This is just a guess.

Diamond18 · 11-27-2002, 12:35 PM

I think by crimes he means any change in general. Just take a looksee around the Downs: some people get very emotional over any changes to LotR. I think the remark was meant to be facetious.

Helkasir · 11-27-2002, 12:52 PM

The worst thing he could do is end it at the fields of Cormallen instead of have frodo sail west fromt he gray havens...

Arwen Imladris · 11-27-2002, 03:06 PM

<BLOCKQUOTE>quote:<HR> TTT is the furthest from the book of all the movies <HR></BLOCKQUOTE> <BLOCKQUOTE>quote:<HR> The worst thing he could do is end it at the fields of Cormallen instead of have frodo sail west fromt he gray havens... <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>Hate to break it to ya Helkasir, but Frodo doesn't leave until ROTK.

Lady_Báin · 11-28-2002, 07:01 AM

well if you look around the doens a bit you will realize that people are always putting peter jackson on trial about every little thing, and i agree that he probably means that any change he makes will look like a "crime" in the eyes of the rabid fans (well you must admitt most of us are rabid ) and to quote millions of people "you will never get a movie that satifies everyone" But they didn't even have half of the cast in the article?!?! not even pippin and merry!?!? that's just nuts!

Helkahothion · 12-02-2002, 02:23 PM

Well I think it's the change in plot at firsth and second the mental stages of Frodo. It will be more action based cause a movie can't display toughts so they have to cut those tought peaces out and stretch out the action peaces.
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Tigerlily Gamgee · 12-08-2002, 09:18 PM

Fear not, I read in an article that PJ's fav moment is the Grey Havens... so they will be in ROTK. <BLOCKQUOTE>quote:<HR>I mean, he can't change the movie THAT much can he? <HR></BLOCKQUOTE> Well........ I don't know how to answer that fully. A lot is different... a lot. But the movie is still beautiful. There were small things that bugged me, but they didn't bug me enough to change my whole opinion of the movie. Also, the size of Arwen's role in this does not designate her such a large image on the poster. I don't know why they did it. But, the scene with her and Elrond is gorgeous, I actually really enjoyed it.[ December 08, 2002: Message edited by: Tigerlily Gamgee ]

Diamond18 · 12-08-2002, 09:50 PM

Yeah, I'm looking forward to that part (Elrond and Arwen). It looks really good on the trailer. Since it isn't in the book I don't want any spoilers about it, though. When it comes to spoilers I'm basically curious about if favorite parts of the book will be in there. If it's new...I want it to be new!

Tigerlily Gamgee · 12-08-2002, 09:54 PM

So many favorite parts of mine were left in (Yay!) & some of the new stuff is clearly breathtaking. It's well worth the wait and the surprise!

Beruthiel · 12-09-2002, 12:17 AM

So Tiger Lily, was TTT better than FOTR? I still can't believe how lucky you are too have seen it already!I wanna see the fight at Helm's deep and Faramir!! I hope PJ didn't leave out too much, TTT is my fave of the three books.

Lady_Báin · 12-09-2002, 09:12 AM

WHAT WHAT WHAT !?!?!?!? tiger lily you hav eseen it? did you post it somehwere, that i might read all the delicious details!? I must know!

11-27-2002, 09:00 AM	#1
Aylwen Dreamsong The Melody of Misery Join Date: Aug 2002 Location: The Island of Conclusions (You get there by jumping!)... Posts: 1,162	Crimes Committed In an article in the <B>Times</B> a magazine in the U.S. (is it in other countries?) It goes more in-depth with TTT. Or at least as in-depth as an un-baised reporter can be.<P>At one point, the writer puts a quote from Peter Jackson about the direction of the film and how close it is to the books. I don't have the exact quote, as I left the magazine in my da's car, but it went on about how TTT is the furthest from the book of all the movies. Also, he stated that "...as long as the movie is good, I am sure that no matter what crimes I commit, true Tolkien fans will be able to forgive me..." (again, not exact quote.). What do you think? What kind of 'crimes' do you think PJ will commit and will '<I>we</I>' be able to 'forgive' him? <P>Another part in the article writes a small paragraph of the main characters to be seen in TTT. To my distaste, Arwen is on there, leaving out Sam, Pippin, Merry, Eowyn, Saruman, etc. Does this mean anything? <P>Thanks, <BR>Aylwen __________________ ...Come down now, they'll say. But everything looks perfect from far away - Come down now! But we'll stay.

11-27-2002, 09:07 AM	#2
Eruwen Registered User Join Date: May 2002 Posts: 901	Well, I think the Arwen thing is just that her and Aragorn have that little thing..."Oh, you have to leave Middle Earth"..."No, I don't want to leave you." Bla Bla Bla.<P>But the rest of it, hmmm....sounds interesting. I have no clue what that will mean. I mean, he can't change the movie THAT much can he? I would think he would stay as closest to the book as humanly possible. But ya know, it's Holleywood. They are always changing great classics just to meet the likings of those people who don't read the books.<P>It's like in the movie, The Count of Monte Cristo. The director made a quote in an interview that said somewhat..."My job wasn't to make a book. It was to make a movie." That is just how things are done in the movie business I guess.

11-27-2002, 12:13 PM	#3
Hanna_Gamgee Animated Skeleton Join Date: Apr 2002 Location: The Shire section of Antarctica Posts: 37	Im guessing the crime hes talking about is killing Saruman in TTT instead of ROTK and having the elves possibly at helms deep. This is just a guess. __________________ Aragorn: 'Out of the Great Sea to Middle-earth I am come. In this place will I abide, and my heirs, unto the ending of the world.

11-27-2002, 12:35 PM	#4
Diamond18 Eidolon of a Took Join Date: Sep 2002 Location: my own private fantasy world Posts: 3,561	I think by crimes he means any change in general. Just take a looksee around the Downs: some people get very emotional over any changes to LotR. I think the remark was meant to be facetious. __________________ All shall be rather fond of me and suffer from mild depression.

11-27-2002, 12:52 PM	#5
Helkasir Haunting Spirit Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: North of the Iron Hills Posts: 89	The worst thing he could do is end it at the fields of Cormallen instead of have frodo sail west fromt he gray havens... __________________ "Onen i-Estal Edain, u-chebin estel anim."

11-27-2002, 03:06 PM	#6
Arwen Imladris Ghost Prince of Cardolan Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: In a box with a fox Posts: 1,347	<BLOCKQUOTE>quote:<HR> TTT is the furthest from the book of all the movies <HR></BLOCKQUOTE><BR> <BLOCKQUOTE>quote:<HR> The worst thing he could do is end it at the fields of Cormallen instead of have frodo sail west fromt he gray havens... <HR></BLOCKQUOTE><P>Hate to break it to ya Helkasir, but Frodo doesn't leave until ROTK. __________________ "Wake up! Wake up! Wake up, sleepies, we must go, yes, we must go at once."

11-28-2002, 07:01 AM	#7
Lady_Báin Wight Join Date: Apr 2002 Location: Peterborough, England Posts: 250	well if you look around the doens a bit you will realize that people are always putting peter jackson on trial about every little thing, and i agree that he probably means that any change he makes will look like a "crime" in the eyes of the rabid fans (well you must admitt most of us are rabid ) and to quote millions of people "you will never get a movie that satifies everyone" <P>But they didn't even have half of the cast in the article?!?! not even pippin and merry!?!? that's just nuts! __________________ pæling.

12-02-2002, 02:23 PM	#8
Helkahothion Ghost Prince of Cardolan Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: The inside of Legolas' lungs Posts: 1,100	Well I think it's the change in plot at firsth and second the mental stages of Frodo. It will be more action based cause a movie can't display toughts so they have to cut those tought peaces out and stretch out the action peaces. ________ Sc2 replays Last edited by Helkahothion; 03-07-2011 at 03:59 AM.

12-08-2002, 09:18 PM	#9
Tigerlily Gamgee Hostess of Spirits Join Date: Feb 2002 Location: Meduseld Posts: 1,056	Fear not, I read in an article that PJ's fav moment is the Grey Havens... so they will be in ROTK.<BR> <BLOCKQUOTE>quote:<HR>I mean, he can't change the movie THAT much can he? <HR></BLOCKQUOTE><BR>Well........ I don't know how to answer that fully. A lot is different... a lot. But the movie is still beautiful. There were small things that bugged me, but they didn't bug me enough to change my whole opinion of the movie.<BR>Also, the size of Arwen's role in this does not designate her such a large image on the poster. I don't know why they did it.<BR>But, the scene with her and Elrond is gorgeous, I actually really enjoyed it.<p>[ December 08, 2002: Message edited by: Tigerlily Gamgee ] __________________ ~ ExerciseJunky.com (Hobbits fitness of choice!)~ ~Lady of Rohan: An Eowyn Fansite ~ ~The NEW/OLD Barrow Downs Photo Page~

12-08-2002, 09:50 PM	#10
Diamond18 Eidolon of a Took Join Date: Sep 2002 Location: my own private fantasy world Posts: 3,561	Yeah, I'm looking forward to that part (Elrond and Arwen). It looks really good on the trailer. Since it isn't in the book I don't want any spoilers about it, though. When it comes to spoilers I'm basically curious about if favorite parts of the book will be in there. If it's new...I want it to be new! __________________ All shall be rather fond of me and suffer from mild depression.

12-08-2002, 09:54 PM	#11
Tigerlily Gamgee Hostess of Spirits Join Date: Feb 2002 Location: Meduseld Posts: 1,056	So many favorite parts of mine were left in (Yay!) & some of the new stuff is clearly breathtaking. It's well worth the wait and the surprise! __________________ ~ ExerciseJunky.com (Hobbits fitness of choice!)~ ~Lady of Rohan: An Eowyn Fansite ~ ~The NEW/OLD Barrow Downs Photo Page~

12-09-2002, 12:17 AM	#12
Beruthiel Shade of Carn Dûm Join Date: Nov 2002 Location: Set adrift on the Great Sea Posts: 386	So Tiger Lily, was TTT better than FOTR?<BR>I still can't believe how lucky you are too have seen it already!<P>I wanna see the fight at Helm's deep and Faramir!! I hope PJ didn't leave out too much, TTT is my fave of the three books. __________________ ~I am not young enough to know everything~ Oscar Wilde

12-09-2002, 09:12 AM	#13
Lady_Báin Wight Join Date: Apr 2002 Location: Peterborough, England Posts: 250	WHAT WHAT WHAT !?!?!?!? tiger lily you hav eseen it? did you post it somehwere, that i might read all the delicious details!? I must know! __________________ pæling.