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Old 11-22-2005, 02:09 PM   #1
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Silly Question

not so silly as to merit mirth status however.

For those of you with greater knowledge of book binding

how long was the red book? what I mean is did Bilbo start with this huge book of lik 2000 pages or 1500 or 1000 even? or did he add pages as he needed them? Especially in the movie you see Frodo fiish the story and theres only a few extra pages I have a hard time beleving it so miraculouslyt worked out so well
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Old 11-29-2005, 05:55 AM   #2
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No textual evidence as to page number, but number of chapters is known (more or less):

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LoTR Book VI, Chapter 9 Grey Havens

In the next day or two Frodo went through his papers and his writings with Sam, and he handed over his keys. There was a big book with plain red leather covers; its tall pages were now almost filled. At the beginning there were many leaves covered with Bilbo’s thin wandering hand; but most of it was written in Frodo’s firm flowing script. It was divided into chapters but Chapter 80 was unfinished, and after that were some blank leaves
Blank leaves were for Sam, and it is told earlier that the whole chapter was also dedicated to Battle of Bywater.

If we count what is now appendices, genealogies and other stuff as included into original 80 by Frodo, than it gives overall number of 81 (speculation)

It is interesting that LoTR as it is published has 62 Chapters proper, + 4 of the Prologue + roughly 17 subsections of appendices, it sums up to 84. If, on the other hand, we count Prologue as one chapter and not four, it gives same number of 81.

Assuming the following conclusion on the previous coincidence, I may utter a guess tha Red Book was approximately of the same length as LoTR in pages, a little bit more maybe because of Bywater chapter.

As for method of compilationi, probably he added pages as he needed them:

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LoTR, Book VI, Chapter 6 Many Partings

[Bilbo:] I wonder, Frodo my dear fellow, if you would very much mind tidying things up a bit before you go? Collect all my notes and papers, and my diary too, and take them with you, if you will. You see, I haven’t much time for the selection and the arrangement and all that. Get Sam to help, and when you’ve knocked things into shape, come back, and I’ll run over it. I won’t be too critical.’
‘Of course I’ll do it!’ said Frodo.
Allegedly, the LoTR was Bilbo's diary + all the notes Frodo collected from him in Rivendell, and what he himself and Sam added to it bound together. It seems possible and probable that book was rebound as need came and new pages were added to it.
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Old 11-29-2005, 06:41 AM   #3
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19 Hobbit chapters + 62 LotR chapters = 81 chapters.

The Hobbit and LotR are basically what make up the Red Book; the rest of the information (appendices, etc.) are held in different books:
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But annexed to [The Red Book]and preserved with it, probably in a single red case, were the three large volumes, bound in red leather, that Bilbo game to him as a parting gift. To these four volumes there was addedin Westmarch a fifth containing commentaries, genealogies, and various other matter concertning the hobbit members of the Fellowship.
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