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02-13-2004, 05:49 PM | #1 |
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I Can't Find It!!!
I recently remembered some part of one of the books paraphrased here:
Narrator: It always irked Boromir that his father was not a King. Boromir: How long does it take for a Steward to become a King? Denenthor: For lesser men, I would already be King, but we of Gondor are better. Something about ten thousand years to become King was in there too, I think. I wanted to look at this passage again when I remembered it, but I can't find it anywhere!!! I looked in the Appens., in Unfinished Tales , The Lost Road and Other Writings , and The Book of Lost Tales (just for the fun of it). I can't find it again! I know I wouldn't have dreamed up something good about Denethor. Help!
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02-13-2004, 06:05 PM | #2 | |
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I think this is it.
It is when Faramir was talking to Frodo on the way to Henneth Annun.
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02-13-2004, 06:15 PM | #3 |
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Probably.
This was probably how Denethor started instilling his bitterness in Boromir. *sigh* That man had problems!
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02-13-2004, 08:23 PM | #4 |
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Thanks guys. And I could've sworn that I read it in the Appendices...*shrug*
Well, now that we found it, want to talk about it? What it tells about Boromir I have little idea. But it does speak good of Denethor that he still was just "Steward"...... I'm saying nice things about Denethor! The world's coming to an end!...Anyway... What could it tell about Boromir?
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02-14-2004, 01:08 AM | #5 |
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I think that what it indicates about the whole family is their honour. Even though they're pretty darn sure that the King's never going to return, they still stick to the ancient decrees and whatnot. And according to the ancient decrees, they're a family of Stewards, whether they like it or no.
Though all this should also be read in light of the story of Thorongil from Appendix A (iv): Gondor and the Heirs of Anarion, where "many believed that Denethor ... had discovered in truth who this stranger Thorongil was, and suspected that he and Mithrandir designed to supplant him."
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02-24-2004, 01:26 PM | #7 |
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Boromir was a little ego-centric. I believe this passage shows his pride was hurt that the ruler of the greatest kingdom in M-E was not "king," and therefore, Boromir would not be "king."
If I recall, from the last "Alas! poor Boromir," quote from Faramir, he goes on to say that the temptation to take the Ring was too great for one such as Boromir who had ambition to grow in power. I do not see Denethor instilling any bitterness in Boromir at least in this exchange. However, would not Boromir have sensed any bitterness or resentment in Denethor related to the King versus Steward role? I mean, if there were any present. If so, it would likely have been internalized by the son.
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02-24-2004, 06:27 PM | #9 | ||
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"The Ring...What Shall We Do with the Ring?"
Yes, dragoneyes, except it says (emphasis added):
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Only through these remarks of Faramir do we get to know Boromir any closer.
It shows us the difference in the characters of the two brothers, and why Boromir would be more susceptible to the lure of the Ring. Boromir was much more ambitious than Faramir. Faramir also tells us: Quote:
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