Hurt and Heal Take 2 - The Barrow-Downs Discussion Forum

mormegil · 03-18-2009, 02:54 PM

Updated rules:

Here are the rules as of now:

From 20 to 7 - each player has 3 votes: 2 hurts and 1 heal. Double hurts are allowed.

From 6 to 4 - each player has 3 votes: 2 hurts and 1 heal. Double hurts ar not allowed: a player has to hurt 2 different characters and heal one, or he may use only 1 hurt and 1 heal.

When but 3 characters are left each player has either a hurt or a heal.

Wait for at least four posters to vote prior to you voting again.

These rules can change whenever deemed appropriate.

With the first hurt and heal winding down quite quickly I think it time to start a new thread.

The rules:

1. There shall be 3 votes per person.

2. You are not able to do more than 2 heals or 2 hurts per turn.

3. You must wait for 4 people to post their vote prior to you voting again.

4. We will not start with any characters but shall decide who is on by committee. In other words you nominate who you would like to see on there and they need to be seconded by somebody and then they are on the list.

5. We would be wise to not use characters found on the last hurt heal although it's not forbidden.

6. Maximum number of 20 characters.

7. Starting points per character are 10

Let's discuss how we feel about these rules. Agreeable. I think the voting rules of 3 with the option to double heal may be reviewed in the future when crunch time hits but this might work too.

Tuor in Gondolin · 03-18-2009, 02:59 PM

Just a thought. With 3 points to start would it be better
to start with 10 points per person, or 15 or 20?

And should the names be general Middle-earth or limited
(by race, Middle-earth Age, etc.)?

Ed. Or how about no double hurts (only two single hurts
to two different individuals per turn)?

Legate of Amon Lanc · 03-18-2009, 03:06 PM

I think the double heal is a bit of a haunter, as it can turn to this "everybody has 1000 lives and only little by little they get hurt". However, the double hurt is quite dramatic, as seen from the first game's end. It will be also best to somehow reduce this horrible floodposting, although perhaps the four people in between will do. But I am still not settled. Not fully, at least.

The basic problem (it concerns both the double-hurt as well as the number of people needed between posts) is, I think, the number of people playing. That's the crucial moment. When you have barely two people playing (like it was in the beginning of the first thread) and twenty characters on top of that, double-hurt is almost necessary and it almost doesn't matter how often you post. When you have some five last characters and eight or so people around, the control is needed and I would even say that this double-hurt rule was not almost (note that I am saying "almost") needed.

Nogrod · 03-18-2009, 05:11 PM

Interesting. "Nothing" happened in the first two or three weeks but then when I'm away for two days (only three eliminated when I last posted) the whole game has ended...

Something was not in balance there. Legate speaks sense here: the number of people playing is important when the rules are wrought. But how to account for it if one doesn't know how many people will take part and when?

That's a tough one.

Oddwen · 03-18-2009, 07:13 PM

Or we could assign 'secret' roles that enable certain players to have five votes, or to negate another players' votes when Jupiter is in the thirteenth house ... oh wait, wrong game.

We could have an initial signup sheet and sign up new players between 'rounds' of characters, perhaps.

mormegil · 03-18-2009, 09:02 PM

I would suspect that the next round will draw roughly as many or more during the next round.

There has to be installed into the system a way to ensure that characters will eventually get voted off.

I have considered doing a theme game such as elf characters or second age etc...

TheGreatElvenWarrior · 03-19-2009, 12:00 AM

So, is this kind of like Paper Telephone, in being you sign up before the game?

I'm still confused about this, but if I finally get the rules, I think I'd like to play too.

Gordis · 03-19-2009, 12:43 AM

Here are my 2 cents:

I think the rules should change automatically when the list is reduced to 6 characters and to 3.

From 20 to 7 - each player has 3 votes: 2 hurts and 1 heal. Double hurts are allowed.

From 6 to 4 - each player has 3 votes: 2 hurts and 1 heal. Double hurts ar not allowed: a player has to hurt 2 different characters and heal one, or he may use only 1 hurt and 1 heal.

When but 3 characters are left - each player has 2 votes: 1 hurt and 1 heal. Or, as Tuor suggested (see his post below) either a hurt or a heal.

Four posts between turns seems quite reasonable. Maybe by the end even five or six posts between turns would be needed. I think the Gamemaster can assess the current situation and make the announcement about the change of the rules to be implemented at once.

The end of the last game was stressful and rushed. Refresh page - count - post - count - correct - refresh page - correct again... Grrr... There was absolutely no place for associated banter, which is usually so fun.

Also, yes, I think it is much more interesting if we keep either to Silm or to LOTR. Gothmog I and Fingolfin seemed to me out of place in the last game regardless of the fact that both were great characters. It would have been much better, IMHO, to have Durin's Bane and a contemporary Elf (Gildor, Glorfindel or Galadriel) in the game - with the understanding that we consider mostly their deeds in the TA, not what we know of their FA history from Silm.
But in the FA game Sauron should be regarded as Gorthaur Melkor's Lieutenant, not as the Ringmaker and Mordor Lord.

I also much approve of the idea of thematic lists (all orcs, or all Valar, or all Maiar, or the Fellowship, or Elf-Lords of the FA). Maybe we can also have a game based on the LOTR Appendices, with Romendacil, Castamir, Earnur, Arvedui etc?

mormegil · 03-24-2009, 05:04 PM

As we are coming up on only 6 left

From 20 to 7 - each player has 3 votes: 2 hurts and 1 heal. Double hurts are allowed.

From 6 to 4 - each player has 3 votes: 2 hurts and 1 heal. Double hurts ar not allowed: a player has to hurt 2 different characters and heal one, or he may use only 1 hurt and 1 heal.

When but 3 characters are left each player has either a hurt or a heal.

Wait for at least four posters to vote prior to you voting again.

Nilpaurion Felagund · 03-24-2009, 06:15 PM

Double-hurt Mîm.
Heal Finrod

Melian (10)
Húrin (3)
Maedhros (10)
Mîm (6)
Ulmo (9)
Fingon (6)
Finrod (11)
Huan (6)

Eliminated:
Thingol by a phantom
Turgon by morm
Ungoliant by Legate of Something-or-Other
Ecthelion by Oddie-poo
Thuringwethil by Oddie-poo
Azaghâl by Darth Legate
Fëanor by Eminem
Lúthien by a phantom
Miriel by a phantom
Aredhel by Bubbles
Morwen by a phantom
Turin by a phantom

Tuor in Gondolin · 03-24-2009, 06:23 PM

Miscounted. No vote.

Oddwen · 03-24-2009, 09:53 PM

Double hurt Hurin, heal Huan.

Melian (10)
Húrin (1)
Maedhros (10)
Mîm (6)
Ulmo (9)
Fingon (6)
Finrod (11)
Huan (7)

Eliminated:
Thingol by a phantom
Turgon by morm
Ungoliant by Legate of Something-or-Other
Ecthelion by Oddie-poo
Thuringwethil by Oddie-poo
Azaghâl by Darth Legate
Fëanor by Eminem
Lúthien by a phantom
Miriel by a phantom
Aredhel by Bubbles
Morwen by a phantom
Turin by a phantom

the phantom · 03-24-2009, 09:56 PM

Kill Hurin, Hurt Mim, Heal Maedhros

Melian (10)
Húrin (0) *day shall not come again*
Maedhros (11)
Mîm (5)
Ulmo (9)
Fingon (6)
Finrod (11)
Huan (7)

Eliminated:
Thingol by Phantom
Turgon by The Blacksword
Ungoliant by Darth Legate
Ecthelion by Oddie
Thuringwethil by Oddie
Azaghâl by Darth Legate
Fëanor by Eminem
Lúthien by Phantom
Miriel by Phantom
Aredhel by Sir Mac
Morwen by Phantom
Turin by Phantom
Hurin by Phantom

Gordis · 03-25-2009, 02:35 AM

Hurt Huan, Hurt Mim, heal Melian

Melian (11)
Maedhros (11)
Mîm (4)
Ulmo (9)
Fingon (6)
Finrod (11)
Huan (6)

Eliminated:
Thingol by Phantom
Turgon by The Blacksword
Ungoliant by Darth Legate
Ecthelion by Oddie
Thuringwethil by Oddie
Azaghâl by Darth Legate
Fëanor by Eminem
Lúthien by Phantom
Miriel by Phantom
Aredhel by Sir Mac
Morwen by Phantom
Turin by Phantom
Hurin by Phantom

mormegil · 03-26-2009, 08:02 AM

Okay reminder on the rules. We may want to revisit these rules if they don't seem to be working but here it is:

When but 3 characters are left each player has either a hurt or a heal.

And still wait for 4 others to post.

Rikae · 03-26-2009, 09:14 AM

I would suggest it ought to be a hurt and a heal - otherwise the points are just likely to skyrocket.

Macalaure · 03-26-2009, 09:30 AM

Hurt Finrod

Melian (7)
Maedhros (8)
Finrod (6)

Eliminated:
Thingol by Phantom
Turgon by The Blacksword
Ungoliant by Darth Legate
Ecthelion by Oddie
Thuringwethil by Oddie
Azaghâl by Darth Legate
Fëanor by Eminem
Lúthien by Phantom
Miriel by Phantom
Aredhel by Sir Mac
Morwen by Phantom
Turin by Phantom
Hurin by Phantom
Mîm by ++Nilp
Huan by Skip & Phantom
Ulmo by Mac
Fingon by mormy

Let's see how it's going to work. If it doesn't work, we'll do it differently next time.

the phantom · 03-26-2009, 09:34 AM

Hurt Melian

Melian (6)
Maedhros (8)
Finrod (6)

Eliminated:
Thingol by Phantom
Turgon by The Blacksword
Ungoliant by Darth Legate
Ecthelion by Oddie
Thuringwethil by Oddie
Azaghâl by Darth Legate
Fëanor by Eminem
Lúthien by Phantom
Miriel by Phantom
Aredhel by Sir Mac
Morwen by Phantom
Turin by Phantom
Hurin by Phantom
Mîm by ++Nilp
Huan by Skip & Phantom
Ulmo by Mac
Fingon by mormy

Mnemosyne · 03-26-2009, 09:34 AM

Heal Finrod

Melian (6)
Maedhros (8)
Finrod (7)

Eliminated:
Thingol by Phantom
Turgon by The Blacksword
Ungoliant by Darth Legate
Ecthelion by Oddie
Thuringwethil by Oddie
Azaghâl by Darth Legate
Fëanor by Eminem
Lúthien by Phantom
Miriel by Phantom
Aredhel by Sir Mac
Morwen by Phantom
Turin by Phantom
Hurin by Phantom
Mîm by ++Nilp
Huan by Skip & Phantom
Ulmo by Mac

Tuor in Gondolin · 03-26-2009, 09:35 AM

Hurt Maedhros

Melian (6)
Maedhros (7)
Finrod (7)

Eliminated:
Thingol by Phantom
Turgon by The Blacksword
Ungoliant by Darth Legate
Ecthelion by Oddie
Thuringwethil by Oddie
Azaghâl by Darth Legate
Fëanor by Eminem
Lúthien by Phantom
Miriel by Phantom
Aredhel by Sir Mac
Morwen by Phantom
Turin by Phantom
Hurin by Phantom
Mîm by ++Nilp
Huan by Skip & Phantom
Ulmo by Mac

03-18-2009, 02:54 PM	#1
mormegil Maundering Mage Join Date: Apr 2005 Location: Texas Posts: 4,636	Hurt and Heal Take 2 Updated rules: Here are the rules as of now: From 20 to 7 - each player has 3 votes: 2 hurts and 1 heal. Double hurts are allowed. From 6 to 4 - each player has 3 votes: 2 hurts and 1 heal. Double hurts ar not allowed: a player has to hurt 2 different characters and heal one, or he may use only 1 hurt and 1 heal. When but 3 characters are left each player has either a hurt or a heal. Wait for at least four posters to vote prior to you voting again. These rules can change whenever deemed appropriate. With the first hurt and heal winding down quite quickly I think it time to start a new thread. The rules: 1. There shall be 3 votes per person. 2. You are not able to do more than 2 heals or 2 hurts per turn. 3. You must wait for 4 people to post their vote prior to you voting again. 4. We will not start with any characters but shall decide who is on by committee. In other words you nominate who you would like to see on there and they need to be seconded by somebody and then they are on the list. 5. We would be wise to not use characters found on the last hurt heal although it's not forbidden. 6. Maximum number of 20 characters. 7. Starting points per character are 10 Let's discuss how we feel about these rules. Agreeable. I think the voting rules of 3 with the option to double heal may be reviewed in the future when crunch time hits but this might work too. __________________ When buying and selling are controlled by legislation, the first things to be bought and sold are legislators. -- P. J. O'Rourke Last edited by mormegil; 03-19-2009 at 03:58 PM.

03-18-2009, 02:59 PM	#2
Tuor in Gondolin Ghost Prince of Cardolan Join Date: Sep 2005 Location: Southeast Pennsylvania Posts: 3,651	Just a thought. With 3 points to start would it be better to start with 10 points per person, or 15 or 20? And should the names be general Middle-earth or limited (by race, Middle-earth Age, etc.)? Ed. Or how about no double hurts (only two single hurts to two different individuals per turn)? __________________ The poster formerly known as Tuor of Gondolin. Walking To Rivendell and beyond 12,555 miles passed Nt./Day 5: Pass the beacon on Nardol, the 'Fire Hill.' Last edited by Tuor in Gondolin; 03-18-2009 at 03:02 PM.

03-18-2009, 03:06 PM	#3
Legate of Amon Lanc A Voice That Gainsayeth Join Date: Nov 2006 Location: In that far land beyond the Sea Posts: 7,431	I think the double heal is a bit of a haunter, as it can turn to this "everybody has 1000 lives and only little by little they get hurt". However, the double hurt is quite dramatic, as seen from the first game's end. It will be also best to somehow reduce this horrible floodposting, although perhaps the four people in between will do. But I am still not settled. Not fully, at least. The basic problem (it concerns both the double-hurt as well as the number of people needed between posts) is, I think, the number of people playing. That's the crucial moment. When you have barely two people playing (like it was in the beginning of the first thread) and twenty characters on top of that, double-hurt is almost necessary and it almost doesn't matter how often you post. When you have some five last characters and eight or so people around, the control is needed and I would even say that this double-hurt rule was not almost (note that I am saying "almost") needed. __________________ "Should the story say 'he ate bread,' the dramatic producer can only show 'a piece of bread' according to his taste or fancy, but the hearer of the story will think of bread in general and picture it in some form of his own." -On Fairy-Stories

03-18-2009, 05:11 PM	#4
Nogrod Flame of the Ainulindalë Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: Wearing rat's coat, crowskin, crossed staves in a field behaving as the wind behaves Posts: 9,308	Interesting. "Nothing" happened in the first two or three weeks but then when I'm away for two days (only three eliminated when I last posted) the whole game has ended... Something was not in balance there. Legate speaks sense here: the number of people playing is important when the rules are wrought. But how to account for it if one doesn't know how many people will take part and when? That's a tough one. __________________ Upon the hearth the fire is red Beneath the roof there is a bed; But not yet weary are our feet...

03-18-2009, 07:13 PM	#5
Oddwen Drummer in the Deep Join Date: Feb 2003 Location: Next Sunday A.D. Posts: 2,125	Or we could assign 'secret' roles that enable certain players to have five votes, or to negate another players' votes when Jupiter is in the thirteenth house ... oh wait, wrong game. We could have an initial signup sheet and sign up new players between 'rounds' of characters, perhaps. __________________ But all the while I sit and think of times there were before I listen for returning feet and voices at the door

03-18-2009, 09:02 PM	#6
mormegil Maundering Mage Join Date: Apr 2005 Location: Texas Posts: 4,636	I would suspect that the next round will draw roughly as many or more during the next round. There has to be installed into the system a way to ensure that characters will eventually get voted off. I have considered doing a theme game such as elf characters or second age etc... __________________ When buying and selling are controlled by legislation, the first things to be bought and sold are legislators. -- P. J. O'Rourke

03-19-2009, 12:00 AM	#7
TheGreatElvenWarrior Mighty Quill Join Date: Aug 2007 Location: Walking off to look for America Posts: 2,230	So, is this kind of like Paper Telephone, in being you sign up before the game? I'm still confused about this, but if I finally get the rules, I think I'd like to play too. __________________ The Party Doesn't Start Until You're Dead.

03-19-2009, 12:43 AM	#8
Gordis Shade of Carn Dûm Join Date: Jan 2008 Location: Minas Morgul Posts: 431	Here are my 2 cents: I think the rules should change automatically when the list is reduced to 6 characters and to 3. From 20 to 7 - each player has 3 votes: 2 hurts and 1 heal. Double hurts are allowed. From 6 to 4 - each player has 3 votes: 2 hurts and 1 heal. Double hurts ar not allowed: a player has to hurt 2 different characters and heal one, or he may use only 1 hurt and 1 heal. When but 3 characters are left - each player has 2 votes: 1 hurt and 1 heal. Or, as Tuor suggested (see his post below) either a hurt or a heal. Four posts between turns seems quite reasonable. Maybe by the end even five or six posts between turns would be needed. I think the Gamemaster can assess the current situation and make the announcement about the change of the rules to be implemented at once. The end of the last game was stressful and rushed. Refresh page - count - post - count - correct - refresh page - correct again... Grrr... There was absolutely no place for associated banter, which is usually so fun. Also, yes, I think it is much more interesting if we keep either to Silm or to LOTR. Gothmog I and Fingolfin seemed to me out of place in the last game regardless of the fact that both were great characters. It would have been much better, IMHO, to have Durin's Bane and a contemporary Elf (Gildor, Glorfindel or Galadriel) in the game - with the understanding that we consider mostly their deeds in the TA, not what we know of their FA history from Silm. But in the FA game Sauron should be regarded as Gorthaur Melkor's Lieutenant, not as the Ringmaker and Mordor Lord. I also much approve of the idea of thematic lists (all orcs, or all Valar, or all Maiar, or the Fellowship, or Elf-Lords of the FA). Maybe we can also have a game based on the LOTR Appendices, with Romendacil, Castamir, Earnur, Arvedui etc? Last edited by Gordis; 03-19-2009 at 08:40 AM. Reason: adjusted numbers a bit

03-24-2009, 05:04 PM	#9
mormegil Maundering Mage Join Date: Apr 2005 Location: Texas Posts: 4,636	A reminder As we are coming up on only 6 left From 20 to 7 - each player has 3 votes: 2 hurts and 1 heal. Double hurts are allowed. From 6 to 4 - each player has 3 votes: 2 hurts and 1 heal. Double hurts ar not allowed: a player has to hurt 2 different characters and heal one, or he may use only 1 hurt and 1 heal. When but 3 characters are left each player has either a hurt or a heal. Wait for at least four posters to vote prior to you voting again. __________________ When buying and selling are controlled by legislation, the first things to be bought and sold are legislators. -- P. J. O'Rourke

03-24-2009, 06:15 PM	#10
Nilpaurion Felagund Scion of The Faithful Join Date: Apr 2003 Location: The brink, where hope and despair are akin. [The Philippines] Posts: 5,312	Double-hurt Mîm. Heal Finrod Melian (10) Húrin (3) Maedhros (10) Mîm (6) Ulmo (9) Fingon (6) Finrod (11) Huan (6) Eliminated: Thingol by a phantom Turgon by morm Ungoliant by Legate of Something-or-Other Ecthelion by Oddie-poo Thuringwethil by Oddie-poo Azaghâl by Darth Legate Fëanor by Eminem Lúthien by a phantom Miriel by a phantom Aredhel by Bubbles Morwen by a phantom Turin by a phantom __________________ フェンリス鴨 (Fenrisu Kamo) The plot, cut, defeated. I intend to copy this sig forever - so far so good...

03-24-2009, 06:23 PM	#11
Tuor in Gondolin Ghost Prince of Cardolan Join Date: Sep 2005 Location: Southeast Pennsylvania Posts: 3,651	Miscounted. No vote. __________________ The poster formerly known as Tuor of Gondolin. Walking To Rivendell and beyond 12,555 miles passed Nt./Day 5: Pass the beacon on Nardol, the 'Fire Hill.'

03-24-2009, 09:53 PM	#12
Oddwen Drummer in the Deep Join Date: Feb 2003 Location: Next Sunday A.D. Posts: 2,125	Double hurt Hurin, heal Huan. Melian (10) Húrin (1) Maedhros (10) Mîm (6) Ulmo (9) Fingon (6) Finrod (11) Huan (7) Eliminated: Thingol by a phantom Turgon by morm Ungoliant by Legate of Something-or-Other Ecthelion by Oddie-poo Thuringwethil by Oddie-poo Azaghâl by Darth Legate Fëanor by Eminem Lúthien by a phantom Miriel by a phantom Aredhel by Bubbles Morwen by a phantom Turin by a phantom __________________ But all the while I sit and think of times there were before I listen for returning feet and voices at the door

03-24-2009, 09:56 PM	#13
the phantom Beloved Shadow Join Date: Jul 2002 Location: The Stadium Posts: 5,971	Kill Hurin, Hurt Mim, Heal Maedhros Melian (10) Húrin (0) day shall not come again Maedhros (11) Mîm (5) Ulmo (9) Fingon (6) Finrod (11) Huan (7) Eliminated: Thingol by Phantom Turgon by The Blacksword Ungoliant by Darth Legate Ecthelion by Oddie Thuringwethil by Oddie Azaghâl by Darth Legate Fëanor by Eminem Lúthien by Phantom Miriel by Phantom Aredhel by Sir Mac Morwen by Phantom Turin by Phantom Hurin by Phantom __________________ the phantom has posted. This thread is now important. Last edited by the phantom; 03-24-2009 at 09:59 PM.

03-25-2009, 02:35 AM	#14
Gordis Shade of Carn Dûm Join Date: Jan 2008 Location: Minas Morgul Posts: 431	Hurt Huan, Hurt Mim, heal Melian Melian (11) Maedhros (11) Mîm (4) Ulmo (9) Fingon (6) Finrod (11) Huan (6) Eliminated: Thingol by Phantom Turgon by The Blacksword Ungoliant by Darth Legate Ecthelion by Oddie Thuringwethil by Oddie Azaghâl by Darth Legate Fëanor by Eminem Lúthien by Phantom Miriel by Phantom Aredhel by Sir Mac Morwen by Phantom Turin by Phantom Hurin by Phantom

03-26-2009, 08:02 AM	#15
mormegil Maundering Mage Join Date: Apr 2005 Location: Texas Posts: 4,636	The final 3!!! Okay reminder on the rules. We may want to revisit these rules if they don't seem to be working but here it is: When but 3 characters are left each player has either a hurt or a heal. And still wait for 4 others to post. __________________ When buying and selling are controlled by legislation, the first things to be bought and sold are legislators. -- P. J. O'Rourke

03-26-2009, 09:14 AM	#16
Rikae Mellifluous Maia Join Date: Aug 2006 Location: A glade open to the stars, deep in Nan Elmoth Posts: 3,489	I would suggest it ought to be a hurt and a heal - otherwise the points are just likely to skyrocket.

03-26-2009, 09:30 AM	#17
Macalaure Fading Fëanorion Join Date: Mar 2006 Location: into the flood again Posts: 2,911	Hurt Finrod Melian (7) Maedhros (8) Finrod (6) Eliminated: Thingol by Phantom Turgon by The Blacksword Ungoliant by Darth Legate Ecthelion by Oddie Thuringwethil by Oddie Azaghâl by Darth Legate Fëanor by Eminem Lúthien by Phantom Miriel by Phantom Aredhel by Sir Mac Morwen by Phantom Turin by Phantom Hurin by Phantom Mîm by ++Nilp Huan by Skip & Phantom Ulmo by Mac Fingon by mormy Let's see how it's going to work. If it doesn't work, we'll do it differently next time.

03-26-2009, 09:34 AM	#18
the phantom Beloved Shadow Join Date: Jul 2002 Location: The Stadium Posts: 5,971	Hurt Melian Melian (6) Maedhros (8) Finrod (6) Eliminated: Thingol by Phantom Turgon by The Blacksword Ungoliant by Darth Legate Ecthelion by Oddie Thuringwethil by Oddie Azaghâl by Darth Legate Fëanor by Eminem Lúthien by Phantom Miriel by Phantom Aredhel by Sir Mac Morwen by Phantom Turin by Phantom Hurin by Phantom Mîm by ++Nilp Huan by Skip & Phantom Ulmo by Mac Fingon by mormy __________________ the phantom has posted. This thread is now important.

03-26-2009, 09:34 AM	#19
Mnemosyne Ghost Prince of Cardolan Join Date: Feb 2009 Location: Between the past and the future Posts: 1,159	Heal Finrod Melian (6) Maedhros (8) Finrod (7) Eliminated: Thingol by Phantom Turgon by The Blacksword Ungoliant by Darth Legate Ecthelion by Oddie Thuringwethil by Oddie Azaghâl by Darth Legate Fëanor by Eminem Lúthien by Phantom Miriel by Phantom Aredhel by Sir Mac Morwen by Phantom Turin by Phantom Hurin by Phantom Mîm by ++Nilp Huan by Skip & Phantom Ulmo by Mac __________________ Got corsets?

03-26-2009, 09:35 AM	#20
Tuor in Gondolin Ghost Prince of Cardolan Join Date: Sep 2005 Location: Southeast Pennsylvania Posts: 3,651	Hurt Maedhros Melian (6) Maedhros (7) Finrod (7) Eliminated: Thingol by Phantom Turgon by The Blacksword Ungoliant by Darth Legate Ecthelion by Oddie Thuringwethil by Oddie Azaghâl by Darth Legate Fëanor by Eminem Lúthien by Phantom Miriel by Phantom Aredhel by Sir Mac Morwen by Phantom Turin by Phantom Hurin by Phantom Mîm by ++Nilp Huan by Skip & Phantom Ulmo by Mac __________________ The poster formerly known as Tuor of Gondolin. Walking To Rivendell and beyond 12,555 miles passed Nt./Day 5: Pass the beacon on Nardol, the 'Fire Hill.'