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Old 11-23-2018, 06:41 AM   #4401
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I did think of looking up some First Age and before names that might have changed, (didn't Luthien have a prototype called Melilot?), but once I had Frodo as a password (all with Third Agers), I didn't think I'd be able to make a password as successfully if I started adding more, (or I was too lazy, or both ).

Think of a synonym for 'party.'

P.S. Is 'leaving the party' a Dungeons & Dragons term?
Could be Odo, who gets left out of the Fellowship? (And survives as a remnant in the story only as Fatty Bolger)

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Old 11-23-2018, 07:15 AM   #4402
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PRYFTAN: Initially Frodo’s pantry, but now in chaos for this beast!
TROTTER: Running flush – that’s him!
BINGO: He uncoils for a springy sound. Not much, though.
ODO: No party for him?
BLADORTHIN: He renders Thora blind, and Thorin bald!

THEME: FORMER NAMES OF CHARACTERS IN EARLY DRAFTS:

Smaug was Pryftan
Strider was Trotter
Frodo was Bingo
Merry was Odo
Gandalf was Bladorthin

Password: FRODO (Pippin was Frodo).

(Although he wouldn't fit into the puzzle, Thorin was also originally called Gandalf).


Correct answer, Formendacil, but I think Odo was the prototype of Merry, not Fatty Bolger.

In the biography, it refers to ''Bingo and his cousins Odo and Frodo' in very early drafts of LOTR, (but not the very first drafts, in which Bilbo was still the hero). As we (and the characters) tend to refer to 'Merry and Pippin' rather than 'Pippin and Merry,' I have always kind of assumed that Odo = Merry and Frodo = Pippin, even though their characters probably weren't that developed at that stage. I do have the HOME books containing the early drafts, but haven't read them cover to cover.

It's O (no/nothing) plus DO (party).

Well done, everyone!

And over to Nerwen!
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Old 11-29-2018, 06:28 PM   #4403
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Apologies for the delay- have had a very busy week.
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Old 12-11-2018, 01:13 PM   #4404
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Nerwen, I have another one that's good to go if you don't have time to prepare one just now.
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Old 12-25-2018, 07:29 AM   #4405
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Merry Christmas, Everyone!

As Nerwen still hasn't replied, I am posting this. I think you will see why I didn't want to wait.

1. Years of old-wise possession (give or take six months).
2. Second of three, but the first to die.
3. Eleven, teutonically, but only one in the Fellowship.
4. One of three – we hear why in a shaken bottle?
5. Limbs of the Terror of the Haunted Pass.
6. Good age to adopt? Legal, at any rate.
7. This, and sweet, in a Twelfth Night song – so many Great Rings!
8. Famed for two things, primarily.
9. Number of heads on Bill Huggins.
10. One of four; mangled ancient letter meets distant object?
11. Third of a kind, but destined – pretty soon – for higher honours.
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Old 12-25-2018, 09:27 PM   #4406
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2. Finwe, of the Noldor, making Feanor "not the first"?
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Old 12-26-2018, 12:32 AM   #4407
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Not the correct answer, I'm afraid. Just thinking ... who are the three that Finwe would be the second of?
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Old 12-26-2018, 07:55 AM   #4408
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Not the correct answer, I'm afraid. Just thinking ... who are the three that Finwe would be the second of?
The elf houses, I believe.
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1. Years of old-wise possession (give or take six months).
2. Second of three, but the first to die.
ELF: Eleven, teutonically, but only one in the Fellowship.
4. One of three – we hear why in a shaken bottle?
5. Limbs of the Terror of the Haunted Pass.
6. Good age to adopt? Legal, at any rate.
7. This, and sweet, in a Twelfth Night song – so many Great Rings!
8. Famed for two things, primarily.
9. Number of heads on Bill Huggins.
10. One of four; mangled ancient letter meets distant object?
11. Third of a kind, but destined – pretty soon – for higher honours.
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Old 12-26-2018, 06:11 PM   #4411
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6. Good age to adopt? Legal, at any rate.
Could this be "twenty-one?" I think Bilbo adopted Frodo at that age...
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Old 12-26-2018, 07:02 PM   #4412
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You're close ... but the clue says 'to adopt,' not 'to be adopted.'
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Old 12-28-2018, 01:49 AM   #4413
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5: Is this Shelob, and therefore EIGHT? Or Ungoliant and her brood in Nan Dungortheb, same answer.

The closest thing the actual Haunted Pass has to a terror is the Black Gate, which has ZERO limbs.

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Old 12-28-2018, 02:51 AM   #4414
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1. Years of old-wise possession (give or take six months).
2. Second of three, but the first to die.
ELF: Eleven, teutonically, but only one in the Fellowship.
4. One of three – we hear why in a shaken bottle?
EIGHT: Limbs of the Terror of the Haunted Pass.
6. Good age to adopt? Legal, at any rate.
7. This, and sweet, in a Twelfth Night song – so many Great Rings!
8. Famed for two things, primarily.
9. Number of heads on Bill Huggins.
10. One of four; mangled ancient letter meets distant object?
11. Third of a kind, but destined – pretty soon – for higher honours.
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4. Vilya?
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Old 12-28-2018, 11:29 AM   #4416
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1. Years of old-wise possession (give or take six months).
2. Second of three, but the first to die.
ELF: Eleven, teutonically, but only one in the Fellowship.
VILYA: One of three – we hear why in a shaken bottle?
EIGHT: Limbs of the Terror of the Haunted Pass.
6. Good age to adopt? Legal, at any rate.
7. This, and sweet, in a Twelfth Night song – so many Great Rings!
8. Famed for two things, primarily.
9. Number of heads on Bill Huggins.
10. One of four; mangled ancient letter meets distant object?
11. Third of a kind, but destined – pretty soon – for higher honours.

VILYA indeed - Y inside a shaken VIAL.
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1. Eighty or so - the years Bilbo and Frodo had the Ring?

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Old 01-01-2019, 03:41 PM   #4418
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Very close, but only one of their names means 'old-wise.'
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1. Years of old-wise possession (give or take six months).

Could this be eighteen?

6. Good age to adopt? Legal, at any rate.

With this then ninety-nine?

7. This, and sweet, in a Twelfth Night song – so many Great Rings!

Five Golden Rings!?
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Old 01-01-2019, 04:54 PM   #4420
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EIGHTEEN: Years of old-wise possession (give or take six months).
2. Second of three, but the first to die.
ELF: Eleven, teutonically, but only one in the Fellowship.
VILYA: One of three – we hear why in a shaken bottle?
EIGHT: Limbs of the Terror of the Haunted Pass.
NINETY-NINE: Good age to adopt? Legal, at any rate.
7. This, and sweet, in a Twelfth Night song – so many Great Rings!
8. Famed for two things, primarily.
9. Number of heads on Bill Huggins.
10. One of four; mangled ancient letter meets distant object?
11. Third of a kind, but destined – pretty soon – for higher honours.

I had forgotten, but 'The Twelve Days Of Christmas' is indeed sung in 'Twelfth Night' - or the stage directions hint that it is. It isn't the song that the clue refers to, though.
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#11 is making me think of ENEL, the mythical founder of the Teleri: third elf to awaken, but quickly became leader of the largest tribe (due largely to Imin's selfishness).

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Old 01-02-2019, 08:58 AM   #4422
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Not Enel.

Not clue 11, but let me drop this here just to be festive.

https://youtu.be/h8kA2zx8isk

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P.S. So sorry, G55 - Happy New Year to you too, and to all Downers and wanderers here, both dead, undead and in-between.
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Ah, well then, #7 must be TWENTY, which is indeed the number of Great Rings. 'Sweet and twenty' indeed (seriously, Shakespeare, what does that even mean?).

#9 could be several things, but TWO seems most likely (his own head, plus his talking purse). Alternately, ONE, as Tolkien specifically notes that these are the kind of trolls 'with only one head each'.

#11... was EARENDIL younger than Elwing? That would make him the third half-elven, and 'higher honours' seems to describe him well. (Actually, I suppose ELWING the flappy bird could also count, if she's the younger of the pair.)

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#11... was EARENDIL younger than Elwing? That would make him the third half-elven, and 'higher honours' seems to describe him well. (Actually, I suppose ELWING the flappy bird could also count, if she's the younger of the pair.)
I'm going to guess you're right about Elwing, but wrong about why. Regardless of Earendil's age, Elwing isn't going to be the third half-Elf. 1. Dior, 2. Elured, 3. Elurin, 4. Elwing (but, of course, this depends on how you reckon your half-Elves. The common definition seems to be "part Elf, part Man," but if you take it more literally, well, Luthien is technically half an Elf, Dior only a quarter, and Elwing five-eighths...)

However, Elwing *is* the last of Dior's three children, and with them dying young, she was soon destined for higher things--i.e. flying.
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EIGHTEEN: Years of old-wise possession (give or take six months).
2. Second of three, but the first to die.
ELF: Eleven, teutonically, but only one in the Fellowship.
VILYA: One of three – we hear why in a shaken bottle?
EIGHT: Limbs of the Terror of the Haunted Pass.
NINETY-NINE: Good age to adopt? Legal, at any rate.
TWENTY: This, and sweet, in a Twelfth Night song – so many Great Rings!
8. Famed for two things, primarily.
ONE: Number of heads on Bill Huggins.
10. One of four; mangled ancient letter meets distant object?
11. Third of a kind, but destined – pretty soon – for higher honours.

I've heard of talking heads, but never talking head purses!

Maybe 1420 was a good year for Malmsey or Madeira, as it was for Shire ale, and Shakespeare had a very old cellar?

Your guesses for 'third of a kind' and 'higher honours' (and 'second of three') are both loreful and fascinating. Completely wrong, though.

It could be that you are taking 'of a kind' a little too literally.
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