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07-17-2002, 11:26 AM

I am trying to create a 'family tree' of the lineage of Beren one-handed and Luthien Tinuviel to see how she was related to Arwen.I got down to Arwen,but there are a few holes,and I was wondering if anyone knew who these people were:Who was the wife of Bregor?(he was the father of Barahir,who was the father of Beren one-handed.)and:Who was the wife of Beren?(he was the father of Barahir"s wife Emeldir and Beren one-handed"s grandfahter)Any help on this is greatly appreciated! [img]smilies/smile.gif[/img] [img]smilies/tongue.gif[/img]

Lothiriel Silmarien · 07-17-2002, 11:36 AM

First of all, Arwen is related to Luthien and Beren through their children. Luthien and Beren had a child, Dior, and he married Nimloth of Doriath, and they had a child, Elwing, and Elwing married Earendil, Tuor and Idril's son. And they had two children, Elrond and Elros, and Elrond is Arwen's father, therefore Luthien is the great great grandmother of Arwen! But, I'll try to find out the names of those people you were asking in my next post!!! [img]smilies/biggrin.gif[/img]

Lothiriel Silmarien · 07-17-2002, 11:37 AM

AH! I'm so stupid, I missed that part where you said that you got down to Arwen! Sorry!!!!! Ok, next post then!!!

Lothiriel Silmarien · 07-17-2002, 11:45 AM

Ok, sorry I can't find it!!! I'll keep looking though. I went to a couple of websites, but maybe I can find it later.

07-17-2002, 01:25 PM

ok,thanx so much for looking! [img]smilies/smile.gif[/img]

Manelwen · 07-17-2002, 01:31 PM

Usually those things are left out of the lineage. I know because I wanted to look for a few things and found a lot of holes. I don't think Tolkien really thought it was important to add those names in sometimes. That's only my own thoughts though.

-Manelwen

Caradhras · 07-17-2002, 03:54 PM

Hey~
That is really cool that you are going to keep looking!!! Tell us if you find something!! Laters~!

07-17-2002, 10:12 PM

well i realy appreciate everyone's help.And hey,maybe tolkien did leave certain names out,though i cant imagine why,he is a very descriptive and thourgh writer(and the best ever!in my opinion [img]smilies/wink.gif[/img] )he goes into such depth in records and histories of Middle Earth that i dont think he would leave stuff out,but who knows?????

*Varda* · 07-19-2002, 02:40 AM

Well it probably wasn't crucial to the story. Even writers like Tolkien can't add EVERYTHING. And it must have got tiring thinking up names for everyone.

07-19-2002, 10:12 AM

Yeah,that is true.Maybe he wrote an entire book on the lineages,and it was either never published or it was lost.Those things DO happen. [img]smilies/wink.gif[/img] 'Much that once was,was lost,for none now live who remember it...'Galadhriel.

Sarin Elfarmour · 07-22-2002, 09:01 PM

he probably would have finished everthing in time the silmarillion wasn't finished when he died cristolpher tolkien just put it into a published version after tolkien died had he lived longer he might have made detailed histories of every race in middle earth and so on

piosenniel · 07-23-2002, 03:41 AM

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07-17-2002, 11:26 AM	#1
nura Guest Posts: n/a	Does anyone know? I am trying to create a 'family tree' of the lineage of Beren one-handed and Luthien Tinuviel to see how she was related to Arwen.I got down to Arwen,but there are a few holes,and I was wondering if anyone knew who these people were:Who was the wife of Bregor?(he was the father of Barahir,who was the father of Beren one-handed.)and:Who was the wife of Beren?(he was the father of Barahir"s wife Emeldir and Beren one-handed"s grandfahter)Any help on this is greatly appreciated! [img]smilies/smile.gif[/img] [img]smilies/tongue.gif[/img]

07-17-2002, 11:36 AM	#2
Lothiriel Silmarien Ghost Prince of Cardolan Join Date: Apr 2002 Location: New York Posts: 829	First of all, Arwen is related to Luthien and Beren through their children. Luthien and Beren had a child, Dior, and he married Nimloth of Doriath, and they had a child, Elwing, and Elwing married Earendil, Tuor and Idril's son. And they had two children, Elrond and Elros, and Elrond is Arwen's father, therefore Luthien is the great great grandmother of Arwen! But, I'll try to find out the names of those people you were asking in my next post!!! [img]smilies/biggrin.gif[/img] __________________ Si vanwa na Romello vanwa Valimar!~~ ~~Now lost, lost to those from the East is Valimar! My LotR page

07-17-2002, 11:37 AM	#3
Lothiriel Silmarien Ghost Prince of Cardolan Join Date: Apr 2002 Location: New York Posts: 829	AH! I'm so stupid, I missed that part where you said that you got down to Arwen! Sorry!!!!! Ok, next post then!!! __________________ Si vanwa na Romello vanwa Valimar!~~ ~~Now lost, lost to those from the East is Valimar! My LotR page

07-17-2002, 11:45 AM	#4
Lothiriel Silmarien Ghost Prince of Cardolan Join Date: Apr 2002 Location: New York Posts: 829	Ok, sorry I can't find it!!! I'll keep looking though. I went to a couple of websites, but maybe I can find it later. __________________ Si vanwa na Romello vanwa Valimar!~~ ~~Now lost, lost to those from the East is Valimar! My LotR page

07-17-2002, 01:31 PM	#6
Manelwen Haunting Spirit Join Date: Apr 2002 Location: Alqualondë Posts: 78	Usually those things are left out of the lineage. I know because I wanted to look for a few things and found a lot of holes. I don't think Tolkien really thought it was important to add those names in sometimes. That's only my own thoughts though. -Manelwen __________________ Victory favors neither the righteous nor the wicked. It favors the prepared.

07-17-2002, 01:25 PM	#5
nura Guest Posts: n/a	ok,thanx so much for looking! [img]smilies/smile.gif[/img]

07-17-2002, 03:54 PM	#7
Caradhras Haunting Spirit Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: the moon Posts: 55	Hey~ That is really cool that you are going to keep looking!!! Tell us if you find something!! Laters~! __________________ There is only one true reason for living... ME!!!!!!!!! http://www.uniquehardware.co.uk/serv...tz/grommit.gif http://216.40.201.38/otn/animals/bl_paw.gif

07-17-2002, 10:12 PM	#8
nura Guest Posts: n/a	well i realy appreciate everyone's help.And hey,maybe tolkien did leave certain names out,though i cant imagine why,he is a very descriptive and thourgh writer(and the best ever!in my opinion [img]smilies/wink.gif[/img] )he goes into such depth in records and histories of Middle Earth that i dont think he would leave stuff out,but who knows?????

07-19-2002, 02:40 AM	#9
Varda Maiden of Tears Join Date: May 2002 Location: Valinor. Posts: 572	Well it probably wasn't crucial to the story. Even writers like Tolkien can't add EVERYTHING. And it must have got tiring thinking up names for everyone. __________________ 'It must often be so, Sam, when things are in danger: someone has to give them up, lose them, so that others may keep them' ~Frodo "Life is hard. After all, it kills you." - Katharine Hepburn

07-19-2002, 10:12 AM	#10
nura Guest Posts: n/a	Yeah,that is true.Maybe he wrote an entire book on the lineages,and it was either never published or it was lost.Those things DO happen. [img]smilies/wink.gif[/img] 'Much that once was,was lost,for none now live who remember it...'Galadhriel.

07-22-2002, 09:01 PM	#11
Sarin Elfarmour Animated Skeleton Join Date: Jul 2002 Posts: 43	he probably would have finished everthing in time the silmarillion wasn't finished when he died cristolpher tolkien just put it into a published version after tolkien died had he lived longer he might have made detailed histories of every race in middle earth and so on __________________ Baruk Khazad! Khazad ai-menu

07-23-2002, 03:41 AM	#12
piosenniel Desultory Dwimmerlaik Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: Pickin' flowers with Bill the Cat..... Posts: 7,816	This is an extensive Family Tree chart which may help you: Family Tree __________________ Eldest, that’s what I am . . . I knew the dark under the stars when it was fearless - before the Dark Lord came from Outside.