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Old 08-13-2002, 06:50 PM   #1
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Silmaril The other wizards......

Who were the other 2 wizards in LOTR? It says there were 5, but only 3 have been mentioned (Radagast, Gandalf, and Saurumon).

If you know if Tolkien wrote anything about the others (like whow they are, what they're colors are, and what they do), I'd be most appreciative.
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Old 08-13-2002, 08:35 PM   #2
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Ithryn Luin ("The Blue Wizards"), Alatar and Pallando.

They accompanied Saruman into the east. Saruman returned after 1000 years, but they remained. We don't know what happened to them after that.

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What success they had I do not know; but I fear they failed, as Saruman did, though doubtless in different ways; and I suspect they were the founders or beginners of secret cults and 'magic' traditions that outlasted the fall of Sauron.
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Old 08-13-2002, 08:46 PM   #3
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Where did you hear/read this? Could you please cite the source?

I mean, is this from Tolkein himself or some kind of fan-fiction?
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Old 08-13-2002, 08:51 PM   #4
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Tolkien himself.

I don't do fan-fiction, and I wouldn't simply quote something as an answer to a serious question if I did.

Unfinished Tales is the most complete compilation of Tolkien's comments on the five Istari. You should read it yourself. You'll find out which Valar each Maiar served, how they were selected, the nature of each, name origins, etc. There's a whole chapter called "The Istari."

I shouldn't and shan't spoil it for you.

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Old 08-13-2002, 08:55 PM   #5
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Cool! Thank you very much!

But despite what you said, I'm really really really hoping that they weren't just "blue" wizards, and that they didn't turn evil.

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Old 08-13-2002, 09:53 PM   #6
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You're welcome.

I've always been a wizard fan and rather curious about these two also. Would've been nice to know their story, eh?
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Old 08-13-2002, 10:11 PM   #7
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it also says that they may have gone into the east because it was their 'destiny'; because their innate characteristics were like to Orome who would at whiles in the begining of days go all over middle earth hunting melkors beasts.
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