The House of Finwe - The Barrow-Downs Discussion Forum

Lothiriel Silmarien · 06-14-2002, 06:48 PM

Finwe had many descendants, as most of you know. Galadriel's a descendant, so Arwen must be too, since she is the grandaughter of Galadriel. So would Eldarion be considered a descendant of the High Kings of the Noldor since he is Arwen's son?

Kuruharan · 06-14-2002, 06:51 PM

Yes. However, he is also descended from the High Kings of the Noldor (aside from Finwe) through Elrond, as Elrond's ancestors were Fingolfin and Turgon.

[ June 14, 2002: Message edited by: Kuruharan ]

Lothiriel Silmarien · 06-14-2002, 07:12 PM

Yeah, that's true. But a man (well, half-elven) considered a descendant of the High Kings of the Noldor is kinda weird of you think about it! All the way from Finwe, Feanor the proud, and all of those high elves are traced all the way down to him. Well, Aragorn is a king of men, so there's honor there too!

akhtene · 06-14-2002, 07:25 PM

Right, and who was he then? Just mortal? And what about other descendants from mixed marriages? It's clear with Elrond and Elros. But what about Dior, Earendil and ELwing? Were they considered human or elven?

Kuruharan · 06-14-2002, 08:03 PM

He was not decended from Feanor. He was descended from Fingolfin and Finarfin. Feanor's line in Middle earth (as far as we can tell) died out with Celebrimbor.

TarElendil · 06-14-2002, 08:10 PM

Dior Earendil and Elwin were considered Peredhel (half-elven)
Though dior and elwing werent half man half elf.
earendil was half noldor and half Man (house of beor and hador)
Dior was half man(house of beor), 1/4th maiar,1/4th elven.
elwing was 1/4th Man,1/8th maiar,and 1/2 elven.
eldarion was descended from finwe as well as all the line of elros (numenorean kings) they were also descended from the Maiar Melian and King thingol, which is rather ironic to me for thingol had little love for Men at first

[ June 14, 2002: Message edited by: TarElendil ]

TarElendil · 06-14-2002, 08:19 PM

eldarion-arwen-elrond-elwing-dior-berenluthien-Melian and Thingol (ye i know i left out aragorn and celebrian and stuff but oh well, it gets the point across.)
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eldarion-arwen-elrond-earendil-idril-turgon-fingolfin-Finwe
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eldarion-aragorn-too many of the dunedain to name-isildur-elendil-amandil-lords of andunie-valandil-silmarien-tarelendil-taramandil- varadamir nolimon(debateable king, he gave the sceptre to his son but is said to have ruled one year)-Elros(Tar-Minyatur)-Earendil-idril-turgon-fingolfin-finwe
hope this has helped

[ June 14, 2002: Message edited by: TarElendil ]

TarElendil · 06-14-2002, 08:24 PM

eldarion-arwen-celebrian-galadriel-finarfin-Finwe

Legolas · 06-14-2002, 11:10 PM

Aragorn, too, is a descendant of Finwe through Elros, Elrond's human brother.

[ June 15, 2002: Message edited by: Legalos ]

Lothiriel Silmarien · 06-15-2002, 11:14 AM

Thank you all for replying. It's nice to see how involved everyone gets. I wish that my sister now could get into this! She doesn't know what she's missing!

Wouldn't that make Arwen and Aragorn related then. Well very very very very verrrrrrry distantly related. Elrond and Elros were brothers (Tar Elendil has gone through all of that!) and Aragorn is a descendant of Elros, very distantly, but still related! Wait......well, no maybe not directly from Elros. There were lots of kings and queens who were not directly descended from him. Well, Tolkien sure thought all of it through! It's like a history book!

TarElendil · 06-15-2002, 01:10 PM

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Aragorn, too, is a descendant of Finwe through Elros, Elrond's human brother

yes, i figured one would have the common sense to realize that through my chart but i was obviously wrong, as i see some dont.
aragorn was descended from elros from a line of father to tar-elendils daughter down the lords of andunie then the chief dunedain.

Kuruharan · 06-15-2002, 01:29 PM

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Wouldn't that make Arwen and Aragorn related then.

Well, err..., yes!

Legolas · 06-15-2002, 03:10 PM

Yes, TarElendil. It seemed to me that they needed someone to paint it on a billboard.

The Silver-shod Muse · 06-15-2002, 04:43 PM

I've been reading LotR to my younger sisters, and when I read them Arwen and Aragorn's love story in the appendices and later showed them the family trees from the Sil, they figured out that the two were related and made a huge stink about it [img]smilies/rolleyes.gif[/img] .

06-14-2002, 06:48 PM	#1
Lothiriel Silmarien Ghost Prince of Cardolan Join Date: Apr 2002 Location: New York Posts: 829	The House of Finwe Finwe had many descendants, as most of you know. Galadriel's a descendant, so Arwen must be too, since she is the grandaughter of Galadriel. So would Eldarion be considered a descendant of the High Kings of the Noldor since he is Arwen's son? __________________ Si vanwa na Romello vanwa Valimar!~~ ~~Now lost, lost to those from the East is Valimar! My LotR page

06-14-2002, 06:51 PM	#2
Kuruharan Regal Dwarven Shade Join Date: Jan 2002 Location: A Remote Dwarven Hold Posts: 3,639	Yes. However, he is also descended from the High Kings of the Noldor (aside from Finwe) through Elrond, as Elrond's ancestors were Fingolfin and Turgon. [ June 14, 2002: Message edited by: Kuruharan ] __________________ ...finding a path that cannot be found, walking a road that cannot be seen, climbing a ladder that was never placed, or reading a paragraph that has no...

06-14-2002, 07:12 PM	#3
Lothiriel Silmarien Ghost Prince of Cardolan Join Date: Apr 2002 Location: New York Posts: 829	Yeah, that's true. But a man (well, half-elven) considered a descendant of the High Kings of the Noldor is kinda weird of you think about it! All the way from Finwe, Feanor the proud, and all of those high elves are traced all the way down to him. Well, Aragorn is a king of men, so there's honor there too! __________________ Si vanwa na Romello vanwa Valimar!~~ ~~Now lost, lost to those from the East is Valimar! My LotR page

06-14-2002, 07:25 PM	#4
akhtene Shade of Carn Dûm Join Date: May 2002 Location: stronghold of the North Posts: 392	Right, and who was he then? Just mortal? And what about other descendants from mixed marriages? It's clear with Elrond and Elros. But what about Dior, Earendil and ELwing? Were they considered human or elven? __________________ Где найти мне сил, чтобы вернуться через века, Чтобы ты - простил?.. А трава разлуки высока...

06-14-2002, 08:03 PM	#5
Kuruharan Regal Dwarven Shade Join Date: Jan 2002 Location: A Remote Dwarven Hold Posts: 3,639	He was not decended from Feanor. He was descended from Fingolfin and Finarfin. Feanor's line in Middle earth (as far as we can tell) died out with Celebrimbor. __________________ ...finding a path that cannot be found, walking a road that cannot be seen, climbing a ladder that was never placed, or reading a paragraph that has no...

06-14-2002, 08:10 PM	#6
TarElendil Wight Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Armenelos Posts: 136	Dior Earendil and Elwin were considered Peredhel (half-elven) Though dior and elwing werent half man half elf. earendil was half noldor and half Man (house of beor and hador) Dior was half man(house of beor), 1/4th maiar,1/4th elven. elwing was 1/4th Man,1/8th maiar,and 1/2 elven. eldarion was descended from finwe as well as all the line of elros (numenorean kings) they were also descended from the Maiar Melian and King thingol, which is rather ironic to me for thingol had little love for Men at first [ June 14, 2002: Message edited by: TarElendil ]

06-14-2002, 08:19 PM	#7
TarElendil Wight Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Armenelos Posts: 136	eldarion-arwen-elrond-elwing-dior-berenluthien-Melian and Thingol (ye i know i left out aragorn and celebrian and stuff but oh well, it gets the point across.) _____ eldarion-arwen-elrond-earendil-idril-turgon-fingolfin-Finwe _____ eldarion-aragorn-too many of the dunedain to name-isildur-elendil-amandil-lords of andunie-valandil-silmarien-tarelendil-taramandil- varadamir nolimon(debateable king, he gave the sceptre to his son but is said to have ruled one year)-Elros(Tar-Minyatur)-Earendil-idril-turgon-fingolfin-finwe hope this has helped [ June 14, 2002: Message edited by: TarElendil ]

06-14-2002, 08:24 PM	#8
TarElendil Wight Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Armenelos Posts: 136	eldarion-arwen-celebrian-galadriel-finarfin-Finwe

06-14-2002, 11:10 PM	#9
Legolas A Northern Soul Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: Valinor Posts: 1,850	Aragorn, too, is a descendant of Finwe through Elros, Elrond's human brother. [ June 15, 2002: Message edited by: Legalos ] __________________ ...take counsel with thyself, and remember who and what thou art.

06-15-2002, 11:14 AM	#10
Lothiriel Silmarien Ghost Prince of Cardolan Join Date: Apr 2002 Location: New York Posts: 829	Thank you all for replying. It's nice to see how involved everyone gets. I wish that my sister now could get into this! She doesn't know what she's missing! Wouldn't that make Arwen and Aragorn related then. Well very very very very verrrrrrry distantly related. Elrond and Elros were brothers (Tar Elendil has gone through all of that!) and Aragorn is a descendant of Elros, very distantly, but still related! Wait......well, no maybe not directly from Elros. There were lots of kings and queens who were not directly descended from him. Well, Tolkien sure thought all of it through! It's like a history book! __________________ Si vanwa na Romello vanwa Valimar!~~ ~~Now lost, lost to those from the East is Valimar! My LotR page

06-15-2002, 03:10 PM	#13
Legolas A Northern Soul Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: Valinor Posts: 1,850	Yes, TarElendil. It seemed to me that they needed someone to paint it on a billboard. __________________ ...take counsel with thyself, and remember who and what thou art.

06-15-2002, 04:43 PM	#14
The Silver-shod Muse Shade of Carn Dûm Join Date: Apr 2002 Location: The shoulder of a poet, TX Posts: 388	I've been reading LotR to my younger sisters, and when I read them Arwen and Aragorn's love story in the appendices and later showed them the family trees from the Sil, they figured out that the two were related and made a huge stink about it [img]smilies/rolleyes.gif[/img] . __________________ "'You," he said, "tell her all. What good came to you? Do you rejoice that Maleldil became a man? Tell her of your joys, and of what profit you had when you made Maleldil and death acquainted.'" -Perelandra, by C.S. Lewis