What if they made it? - The Barrow-Downs Discussion Forum

11-09-2003, 09:29 PM

What would have been different if the company of the ring had succeeded in the trek over Caradhras? Besides Gandalf surviving. And about that, how would he have made things different?

I believe though tragic at that moment, Gandalf's fall was the starting point in Aragorn coming into his own and taking some serious responsibilities. Learning to trust to his own judgement.

Iarhen · 11-09-2003, 09:49 PM

Well, most probably Gandalf would not have turned into the more powerful version of himself, and probably he would not have been able to help Rohan... Ergo, Rohan falls, and Minas Tirith is taken in the battle for the Pelennor Fields...

Well... tahts a lot of whatifs... but my guess is that the best way it could happen was the way it actually happened...

THE Ka · 11-09-2003, 10:49 PM

Yes, i quiet agree with the above statment.

Sometimes thing like these need to happen. without them, we would be stuck in past of things and we would never move on or learn from our mistakes. Aragorn would never gain the sense of a higher responsiblity if they hadn't have to continue without Gandalf. If you are familiar with the author/artist Brian Froud these next statments you will understand. especially if you have read [i]Good faeries/Bad faeries[/I.

If we could draw a faerie oracle for Aragorn and Gandalf these helpful things would show up:

The guardian at the gate: Passages to a new life. Openings. gatekeeping.

The singer of transformation: Transformation. Transscendence. Metamorphosis.

The sage: Wisdom. Hidden knowledge. Old age. Patience.

The friends: Friendship . support .aid

The topsie Turvets: Change of veiwpoint. Fresh looks. New ways of seeing.

And many more. as you can see all these represent: new ways, responsibilty, taking on a new challenge, support, new found wisdom, and let's not forget friendship.

All this info. (if you are interested, is avaliable in the following book.) The Faeries' Oracle : working with the faeries to find insight, wisdom, and joy. this also is another of Brian Froud's books.

Ihope that i have given some insight on this topic if you think that my knowledge is helpful. write soon. good bye. [img]smilies/biggrin.gif[/img] [img]smilies/smile.gif[/img]

Merry meet, Merry depart, Merry meet again.

"Remember, each journey inot Faery is complete only when we come home again and make human sense of faery nonsense, passing on or making use of wharever we have learned."
- Brian

Eol Telemnar · 12-12-2003, 05:54 PM

I agree with that statement. He would not have turned into Gandalf the White, but remain Gandalf the Grey.

Lord of Angmar · 12-12-2003, 06:25 PM

Things would've been bloody different, that's for sure.

11-09-2003, 09:29 PM	#1
Ceragrim Guest Posts: n/a	What if they made it? What would have been different if the company of the ring had succeeded in the trek over Caradhras? Besides Gandalf surviving. And about that, how would he have made things different? I believe though tragic at that moment, Gandalf's fall was the starting point in Aragorn coming into his own and taking some serious responsibilities. Learning to trust to his own judgement.

11-09-2003, 09:49 PM	#2
Iarhen Wight Join Date: Feb 2003 Location: Laurelindorenan Posts: 225	Well, most probably Gandalf would not have turned into the more powerful version of himself, and probably he would not have been able to help Rohan... Ergo, Rohan falls, and Minas Tirith is taken in the battle for the Pelennor Fields... Well... tahts a lot of whatifs... but my guess is that the best way it could happen was the way it actually happened... __________________ "In place of a Dark Lord you will have a Queen! Not dark but beatiful and terrible as the Dawn! Treacherous as the sea! Stronger than the foundations of the Earth! All shall love me and despair!" --- Galadriel when tempted by the One Ring.

11-09-2003, 10:49 PM	#3
THE Ka Ghost Prince of Cardolan Join Date: Jul 2003 Location: As with the flygja Posts: 1,403	Yes, i quiet agree with the above statment. Sometimes thing like these need to happen. without them, we would be stuck in past of things and we would never move on or learn from our mistakes. Aragorn would never gain the sense of a higher responsiblity if they hadn't have to continue without Gandalf. If you are familiar with the author/artist Brian Froud these next statments you will understand. especially if you have read [i]Good faeries/Bad faeries[/I. If we could draw a faerie oracle for Aragorn and Gandalf these helpful things would show up: The guardian at the gate: Passages to a new life. Openings. gatekeeping. The singer of transformation: Transformation. Transscendence. Metamorphosis. The sage: Wisdom. Hidden knowledge. Old age. Patience. The friends: Friendship . support .aid The topsie Turvets: Change of veiwpoint. Fresh looks. New ways of seeing. And many more. as you can see all these represent: new ways, responsibilty, taking on a new challenge, support, new found wisdom, and let's not forget friendship. All this info. (if you are interested, is avaliable in the following book.) The Faeries' Oracle : working with the faeries to find insight, wisdom, and joy. this also is another of Brian Froud's books. Ihope that i have given some insight on this topic if you think that my knowledge is helpful. write soon. good bye. [img]smilies/biggrin.gif[/img] [img]smilies/smile.gif[/img] Merry meet, Merry depart, Merry meet again. "Remember, each journey inot Faery is complete only when we come home again and make human sense of faery nonsense, passing on or making use of wharever we have learned." - Brian __________________ Vinur, vinur skilur tú meg? Veitst tú ongan loyniveg? Hevur tú reikað líka sum eg, í endaleysu tokuni?

12-12-2003, 05:54 PM	#4
Eol Telemnar Haunting Spirit Join Date: Dec 2003 Location: At my house, on my computer (where else would I be? Posts: 89	I agree with that statement. He would not have turned into Gandalf the White, but remain Gandalf the Grey. __________________ Eol Telemnar, The Dark Elf , Has Spoken, Heed My words well. Peace go with you.

12-12-2003, 06:25 PM	#5
Lord of Angmar Tyrannus Incorporalis Join Date: Jun 2003 Location: the North Posts: 833	Things would've been bloody different, that's for sure. __________________ ...where the instrument of intelligence is added to brute power and evil will, mankind is powerless in its own defence.