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Morai · 06-12-2002, 01:22 PM

Hullo! This is my last day of the school year. So I wondered how would you say "free at last!" in elvish?

Morquesse · 06-14-2002, 09:14 PM

You know what, I'm not sure, and I'm not sure where to look. [img]smilies/redface.gif[/img] Though You would probably find the answer if you asked in the Language forum.
~M

Ithaeliel · 06-14-2002, 09:21 PM

Thank Eru almighty, we are free at last!

I've been out of school for over a week now. We start before Labor Day here.

Starbreeze · 06-15-2002, 10:27 AM

Hang on, I'll get out my dictionary and see if its there.

I'm free in a week - forever!

Ithaeliel · 06-15-2002, 10:49 AM

Forever!!!?? So you must be out of college! Congratulations!

Morai · 06-15-2002, 11:27 AM

Hmm.... I guess I might check the Language forum. I got out last wendsday.
Ithaeliel, I love the picture!!!!!

Luthien_ Tinuviel · 06-15-2002, 11:33 AM

<font color="gold"> I got out on May 24th.

Morai · 06-15-2002, 11:40 AM

May 24!? Man, I guess nothing is fair in life (or should I say death [img]smilies/wink.gif[/img] )

VanimaEdhel · 06-15-2002, 03:14 PM

Well...to free = leith
now = sii'
after = ale'
so = ikotane
long = an...so:

"Ron leithner lye sii', ale' ikotane an"
They freed us now, after so long

Or...just Ron leithner lye sii': they freed us now...

free is leitha, so...

Lye naar ie' tella
That's LITERALLY: We are free at last...

take your pick (or make a combination)!

Auriel Haevasawen · 06-15-2002, 04:43 PM

Boring fact, English schools don't break up until July 18th.

Gimli Son Of Gloin · 06-16-2002, 12:43 AM

I culminate from the sixth grade on the 20th. There is this ceremony, and I'm doing a viola solo in front of three hundered people!!! [img]smilies/eek.gif[/img]

Raefindel · 06-16-2002, 01:32 AM

Way to go, Gimli. I'm sure you'll do fine. [img]smilies/smile.gif[/img]

*Varda* · 06-16-2002, 07:25 AM

Scottish schools break up on June 28th [img]smilies/smile.gif[/img]

Aldagrim Proudfoot · 06-16-2002, 01:07 PM

I gradsuated from high school June 8.

Auriel, July 18?! That's my birthday! Another reason to like America. hehe

gollum*elf*pup · 06-16-2002, 01:21 PM

<font color="lightgreen"> wahhhhh! i have to wait, like ten more days before school is out, and thats way too many!!! i'll never survive!!! (okay, maybe i will) </color>

Morai · 06-16-2002, 10:03 PM

VanimaEdhel, thanks for the translation!!
I think I'll put that one in my signature.
(when I have time!)

Yerniel Vénea · 06-16-2002, 11:07 PM

After doing some research, because I don't recognize what VanimaEdhel posted as a translation as Quenya, I found a different result.

the verb to free is not what you'd want because free in this context is used as an adjective. We (subject) are (verb) free (adjective). If you were saying "we free..." then the grammatical dissection would be we (sub) free(verb). If you wanted to say you were in the act of doing the freeing then you would say "we are freeing..." and the dissection of that would be we (sub) are (auxiliery verb) freeing (gerund). Wow, i probably confused you a lot! Sorry just want you to understand. Languages are definitely more complex than one realizes!

Anyway, the Quenya verb "to free" is "fainu-" fyi.

the adjective "free" as in "we are free" is "latin(a)" you would need to have plural agreement, if you are using the sub "we" and not if you are using "I." so use "latin" for "I" and "latinë" for "we"

the interjection "at last!" is "yallumë"

now the subjects are a different story. If you are using "I" then the ending you would want is "-nyë" but just an "-n" can do. So with the verb "na-" to be it would be "nan" or "nanyë." With we it is way more difficult. If you are including everyone, you'd use the "we inclusive" which is "-lmë" if you are using the "we exclusive" then it is "-mmë." If you are talking to another person and you mean to say, the two of us, it is "-lv-." I assume you want to say "we are free at last" as in the whole student body. So I would say: "Naralmë latinë yallumë!" and you would stress the the phrase: NarALmë LAtinë YALlumë.

We exclusive: "Narammë latinë yallumë!" Stress: NarAMmë LAtinë YALlumë

two of us: "Naralvë...."
Stress: NarALvë...

I am free...: "Nan latin yallumë!" or "Nanyë latin yallumë!"
Stress: 1st syllable of every word

Ok, there are plenty of grammatical things I did not discuss because I now assume I have bored you to death or confused you beyond repair. I have only tried to help!
***************************
Laita Ilúvatar!

Morai · 06-17-2002, 01:15 PM

hm, she might have translated it into Sindarin.
but I'll write down both.

Vardadurwen · 06-19-2002, 04:09 PM

YES!!!!!!! I HAD MY LAST FINAL TODAY! IT WAS WONDERFUL! I AM SO HAPPY. IT'S OVER *for now*
Gimli, you play viola? ME TOO!!! wow! good luck on your solo, i'm sure you'll be great. i have to play a piano solo for the grade twelves graduation ceremony...

Morai · 06-20-2002, 11:02 AM

I play flute!!!! (and I can play fife, but it's difficult.)

mystra · 06-23-2002, 02:55 PM

hey! im almost out! just 5 more days! then im off to college in september! yay!
um....... denthae cal duen(?) - i think thats right! it means 'free at now' which is the closest i can get for now to free at last. [img]smilies/smile.gif[/img] it makes sense, anyway! its in ardunoth for those of you (and there are none!) who are familiar with neremorn. namarie!

Anunia · 06-27-2002, 01:29 PM

I'm in holiday!!!!!! Youpi! And there are 2 months and a half left of it!!!! Goobye shool!!!
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*Varda* · 06-27-2002, 02:07 PM

YAY! free at last (can't be bothered checking what it was in elvish!) 7 WEEKS OF NO SCHOOL !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! [img]smilies/biggrin.gif[/img] [img]smilies/biggrin.gif[/img] [img]smilies/biggrin.gif[/img] [img]smilies/smile.gif[/img] [img]smilies/smile.gif[/img] [img]smilies/tongue.gif[/img] [img]smilies/tongue.gif[/img]

06-12-2002, 01:22 PM	#1
Morai Ghost Prince of Cardolan Join Date: May 2002 Location: Where young people go to retire Posts: 747	Just a silly question Hullo! This is my last day of the school year. So I wondered how would you say "free at last!" in elvish? __________________ "So why the safe distance, this curious look? Why tear out single pages when you can throw away the book? Why pluck one string when you can strum the guitar? MeWithoutYou http://fortyfifthparadox.com

06-14-2002, 09:14 PM	#2
Morquesse Wight Join Date: May 2002 Location: Past the fields we know.... Posts: 202	You know what, I'm not sure, and I'm not sure where to look. [img]smilies/redface.gif[/img] Though You would probably find the answer if you asked in the Language forum. ~M __________________ I'm not ashamed to let you know I want this light in me to show. I'm not ashamed to speak the name of Jesus Christ.~Newsboys

06-14-2002, 09:21 PM	#3
Ithaeliel Cornus Caliga Join Date: Apr 2002 Location: Five-hundred-twenty-five thousand, six hundred minutes from here Posts: 724	Thank Eru almighty, we are free at last! I've been out of school for over a week now. We start before Labor Day here. __________________ That best portion of a good man's life, His little, nameless, unremembered acts of kindness and of love. .................William Wordsworth

06-15-2002, 10:27 AM	#4
Starbreeze Ghost of a Smile Join Date: Jan 2002 Location: Mirkwood - Middle Earth Posts: 389	Hang on, I'll get out my dictionary and see if its there. I'm free in a week - forever! __________________ Do not tamper with the affairs of wizards, they are not all that subtle - Terry Pratchett To write is to make dreams, to make dreams is to awaken the fantasy of the mind, to awaken the mind is to be a master.

06-15-2002, 10:49 AM	#5
Ithaeliel Cornus Caliga Join Date: Apr 2002 Location: Five-hundred-twenty-five thousand, six hundred minutes from here Posts: 724	Forever!!!?? So you must be out of college! Congratulations! __________________ That best portion of a good man's life, His little, nameless, unremembered acts of kindness and of love. .................William Wordsworth

06-15-2002, 11:27 AM	#6
Morai Ghost Prince of Cardolan Join Date: May 2002 Location: Where young people go to retire Posts: 747	Hmm.... I guess I might check the Language forum. I got out last wendsday. Ithaeliel, I love the picture!!!!! __________________ "So why the safe distance, this curious look? Why tear out single pages when you can throw away the book? Why pluck one string when you can strum the guitar? MeWithoutYou http://fortyfifthparadox.com

06-15-2002, 11:33 AM	#7
Luthien_ Tinuviel Ghost Prince of Cardolan Join Date: May 2002 Location: A very lovely tree-hut in the Chunnel. Posts: 804	<font color="gold"> I got out on May 24th. __________________ I am a nineteen-year-old nomad photographer who owns a lemonade stand. You know what? I love Mip.

06-15-2002, 11:40 AM	#8
Morai Ghost Prince of Cardolan Join Date: May 2002 Location: Where young people go to retire Posts: 747	May 24!? Man, I guess nothing is fair in life (or should I say death [img]smilies/wink.gif[/img] ) __________________ "So why the safe distance, this curious look? Why tear out single pages when you can throw away the book? Why pluck one string when you can strum the guitar? MeWithoutYou http://fortyfifthparadox.com

06-15-2002, 03:14 PM	#9
VanimaEdhel Etheral Enchantress Join Date: Feb 2002 Location: Wellesley College! Posts: 1,473	Well...to free = leith now = sii' after = ale' so = ikotane long = an...so: "Ron leithner lye sii', ale' ikotane an" They freed us now, after so long Or...just Ron leithner lye sii': they freed us now... free is leitha, so... Lye naar ie' tella That's LITERALLY: We are free at last... take your pick (or make a combination)! __________________ "I think we dream so we don't have to be apart so long. If we're in each others dreams, we can be together all the time." - Hobbes of Calvin and Hobbes

06-15-2002, 04:43 PM	#10
Auriel Haevasawen Wight Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: Nowhere of importance Posts: 240	Boring fact, English schools don't break up until July 18th. __________________ Auriel

06-16-2002, 12:43 AM	#11
Gimli Son Of Gloin Shade of Carn Dûm Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: The Halls of Montezuma, and the Shores of Tripoli Posts: 495	I culminate from the sixth grade on the 20th. There is this ceremony, and I'm doing a viola solo in front of three hundered people!!! [img]smilies/eek.gif[/img] __________________ The Few, the Proud, the Marines.

06-16-2002, 01:32 AM	#12
Raefindel Sword of the Spirit Join Date: Feb 2002 Location: Washington State Posts: 1,325	Way to go, Gimli. I'm sure you'll do fine. [img]smilies/smile.gif[/img] __________________ Blessed be the Lord my Strength, Who trained my hands for war and my fingers to fight. Psallm 144:1

06-16-2002, 07:25 AM	#13
Varda Maiden of Tears Join Date: May 2002 Location: Valinor. Posts: 572	Scottish schools break up on June 28th [img]smilies/smile.gif[/img] __________________ 'It must often be so, Sam, when things are in danger: someone has to give them up, lose them, so that others may keep them' ~Frodo "Life is hard. After all, it kills you." - Katharine Hepburn

06-16-2002, 01:07 PM	#14
Aldagrim Proudfoot Shade of Carn Dûm Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Hobbiton Posts: 328	I gradsuated from high school June 8. Auriel, July 18?! That's my birthday! Another reason to like America. hehe __________________ I do not suffer from insanity. I enjoy every minute of it!

06-16-2002, 01:21 PM	#15
gollumelfpup Shade of Carn Dûm Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: big...scary...castle... Posts: 277	<font color="lightgreen"> wahhhhh! i have to wait, like ten more days before school is out, and thats way too many!!! i'll never survive!!! (okay, maybe i will) </color> __________________ ~elfpup~ PI's evil family dog!!! I have found the chicken who is not a chicken!

06-16-2002, 10:03 PM	#16
Morai Ghost Prince of Cardolan Join Date: May 2002 Location: Where young people go to retire Posts: 747	VanimaEdhel, thanks for the translation!! I think I'll put that one in my signature. (when I have time!) __________________ "So why the safe distance, this curious look? Why tear out single pages when you can throw away the book? Why pluck one string when you can strum the guitar? MeWithoutYou http://fortyfifthparadox.com

06-16-2002, 11:07 PM	#17
Yerniel Vénea Pile O'Bones Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Ithilien Posts: 24	After doing some research, because I don't recognize what VanimaEdhel posted as a translation as Quenya, I found a different result. the verb to free is not what you'd want because free in this context is used as an adjective. We (subject) are (verb) free (adjective). If you were saying "we free..." then the grammatical dissection would be we (sub) free(verb). If you wanted to say you were in the act of doing the freeing then you would say "we are freeing..." and the dissection of that would be we (sub) are (auxiliery verb) freeing (gerund). Wow, i probably confused you a lot! Sorry just want you to understand. Languages are definitely more complex than one realizes! Anyway, the Quenya verb "to free" is "fainu-" fyi. the adjective "free" as in "we are free" is "latin(a)" you would need to have plural agreement, if you are using the sub "we" and not if you are using "I." so use "latin" for "I" and "latinë" for "we" the interjection "at last!" is "yallumë" now the subjects are a different story. If you are using "I" then the ending you would want is "-nyë" but just an "-n" can do. So with the verb "na-" to be it would be "nan" or "nanyë." With we it is way more difficult. If you are including everyone, you'd use the "we inclusive" which is "-lmë" if you are using the "we exclusive" then it is "-mmë." If you are talking to another person and you mean to say, the two of us, it is "-lv-." I assume you want to say "we are free at last" as in the whole student body. So I would say: "Naralmë latinë yallumë!" and you would stress the the phrase: NarALmë LAtinë YALlumë. We exclusive: "Narammë latinë yallumë!" Stress: NarAMmë LAtinë YALlumë two of us: "Naralvë...." Stress: NarALvë... I am free...: "Nan latin yallumë!" or "Nanyë latin yallumë!" Stress: 1st syllable of every word Ok, there are plenty of grammatical things I did not discuss because I now assume I have bored you to death or confused you beyond repair. I have only tried to help! *************************** Laita Ilúvatar! __________________ Laita Ilúvatar! "But what?" said Gandalf. "Only one but will I allow tonight."

06-17-2002, 01:15 PM	#18
Morai Ghost Prince of Cardolan Join Date: May 2002 Location: Where young people go to retire Posts: 747	hm, she might have translated it into Sindarin. but I'll write down both. __________________ "So why the safe distance, this curious look? Why tear out single pages when you can throw away the book? Why pluck one string when you can strum the guitar? MeWithoutYou http://fortyfifthparadox.com

06-19-2002, 04:09 PM	#19
Vardadurwen Wight Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: Saskatchewan, Canada Posts: 102	YES!!!!!!! I HAD MY LAST FINAL TODAY! IT WAS WONDERFUL! I AM SO HAPPY. IT'S OVER for now Gimli, you play viola? ME TOO!!! wow! good luck on your solo, i'm sure you'll be great. i have to play a piano solo for the grade twelves graduation ceremony... __________________ 'In this phial,' she said, 'is caught the light of Earendil's star....May it be a light to you in dark places, when all other lights go out...' - Galadriel 'Now there's an eye-opener and no mistake!' - Samwise Gamgee

06-20-2002, 11:02 AM	#20
Morai Ghost Prince of Cardolan Join Date: May 2002 Location: Where young people go to retire Posts: 747	I play flute!!!! (and I can play fife, but it's difficult.) __________________ "So why the safe distance, this curious look? Why tear out single pages when you can throw away the book? Why pluck one string when you can strum the guitar? MeWithoutYou http://fortyfifthparadox.com

06-23-2002, 02:55 PM	#21
mystra Haunting Spirit Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: cyber raga. nuff said. Posts: 88	hey! im almost out! just 5 more days! then im off to college in september! yay! um....... denthae cal duen(?) - i think thats right! it means 'free at now' which is the closest i can get for now to free at last. [img]smilies/smile.gif[/img] it makes sense, anyway! its in ardunoth for those of you (and there are none!) who are familiar with neremorn. namarie! __________________ "We each must choose our own path. mine had further to go." Cyber Raga. Nuff said.

06-27-2002, 01:29 PM	#22
Anunia Haunting Spirit Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Rivendell Posts: 60	I'm in holiday!!!!!! Youpi! And there are 2 months and a half left of it!!!! Goobye shool!!! [img]smilies/smile.gif[/img] [img]smilies/smile.gif[/img] [img]smilies/smile.gif[/img] __________________ Flowers are the alphabet of angels, whereby they write on the hills and fields mysterious truths. Dream the impossible, because dreams do come true.

06-27-2002, 02:07 PM	#23
Varda Maiden of Tears Join Date: May 2002 Location: Valinor. Posts: 572	YAY! free at last (can't be bothered checking what it was in elvish!) 7 WEEKS OF NO SCHOOL !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! [img]smilies/biggrin.gif[/img] [img]smilies/biggrin.gif[/img] [img]smilies/biggrin.gif[/img] [img]smilies/smile.gif[/img] [img]smilies/smile.gif[/img] [img]smilies/tongue.gif[/img] [img]smilies/tongue.gif[/img] __________________ 'It must often be so, Sam, when things are in danger: someone has to give them up, lose them, so that others may keep them' ~Frodo "Life is hard. After all, it kills you." - Katharine Hepburn