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Old 06-12-2019, 07:58 AM   #2841
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Yeah, but he didn't hate her.
I know, that's why I said it was "neither here nor there".
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Old 06-12-2019, 08:27 AM   #2842
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None of the solutions I can come up with fit all of the lines, though I am curious to see who this is. (For instance, Gollum wasn't slain, Feanor didn't have mixed blood etc.)
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Old 06-12-2019, 08:47 AM   #2843
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You'll just have to keep looking, won't you?
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Old 06-12-2019, 09:01 AM   #2844
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Yeah, but that'd take forever.
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Old 06-12-2019, 09:13 AM   #2845
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So this character hated someone, someone else attempted to kill them, they were saved by the person they hated from the person who tried to kill them, and then they were slain by someone who was loyal.
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Old 06-12-2019, 09:14 AM   #2846
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Why does this still give me CoH vibe.....?
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Old 06-12-2019, 09:22 AM   #2847
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Maybe Frodo? Briefly, he relied on Gollum and pushed Sam away, and as Lobelia pointed out, he's half-Baggins, half-Brandybuck.
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Old 06-12-2019, 09:40 AM   #2848
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Except that he wasn't slain.....
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Old 06-12-2019, 09:41 AM   #2849
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Anyone else willing to take a shot at this?
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Old 06-12-2019, 09:50 AM   #2850
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So this character hated someone, someone else attempted to kill them, they were saved by the person they hated from the person who tried to kill them, and then they were slain by someone who was loyal.
Pretty much, except that there are subtler ways of "undoing" someone...

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Why does this still give me CoH vibe.....?
Well, probably because it resembles various things from CoH- but they didn't all apply to the same person. (So no, not that.)

Hints:

Line 1 is completely accurate, but also not, I think, something people particularly associate with this character. It serves mainly to rule out candidates, as you've found.

You might want to look at your question, "Who would be saved by someone they hated?" another way round.

The last bit is important, though again it's something you might well have forgotten. In-story, however, the incident was considered worth writing a line or two of verse about- I've basically paraphrased this, in fact.

Finally, I assure you the speaker is a major character and not Bilbo's fourth cousin's mother-in-law or anything like that.
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Old 06-12-2019, 09:58 AM   #2851
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So the question is 'who would hate someone they've saved', right?


And 'undoing someone' could also mean steering them the wrong path/corrupting them.


Maybe Gwindor 'I rue the day I stole you from Orcs' son of Guilin?
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Old 06-12-2019, 10:03 AM   #2852
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Where does it say this person hated the speaker?

But yes to your second observation.

Not Gwindor, though.

Re-posting for a new page:

Blood of two peoples made me.
He I trusted tried to undo me.
He that I hated saved me.
He that was loyal slew me.
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Old 06-12-2019, 10:04 AM   #2853
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Where does it say this person hated the speaker?

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Blood of two peoples made me.
He I trusted tried to undo me.
He that I hated saved me.
He that was loyal slew me.
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He that I hated saved me.
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Old 06-12-2019, 10:06 AM   #2854
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"I hated him" != "He hated me".
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Old 06-12-2019, 10:10 AM   #2855
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So the speaker hated by someone that didn't hate them, and yet none of my guesses are correct?
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Old 06-12-2019, 10:12 AM   #2856
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Oh, I see. Answer incoming, I hope.
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Old 06-12-2019, 10:14 AM   #2857
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Gender confirmed. Time to end this.
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Old 06-12-2019, 10:17 AM   #2858
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Theoden.

Blood of two peoples made me - Blood of Rohan and Lossarnach
He I trusted tried to undo me. - Grima
He that I hated saved me. - Gandalf
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Old 06-12-2019, 11:02 AM   #2859
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Old 06-12-2019, 11:17 AM   #2860
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The King of the Golden Hall it is! Well done!
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Old 06-12-2019, 11:19 AM   #2861
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Sorry for keeping you in suspense- I had to attend to some things.
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Old 06-12-2019, 11:38 AM   #2862
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Well then

Let me change it up a little.

You want to escape from us, but beware
Of things that came to light
Of us who caught you unaware
We won't let you run into the night
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Old 06-12-2019, 08:51 PM   #2863
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Thinking aloud. First and second lines seem pretty general... but the middle ones are interesting. Who was "caught unaware"? Does it mean "ambushed"? While sleeping?
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Old 06-12-2019, 11:03 PM   #2864
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No. I am merely being sneaky.
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Old 06-13-2019, 01:21 AM   #2865
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Old 06-13-2019, 03:00 AM   #2866
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Nope, why would I make a riddle about that?

It describes one of my favorite moments.
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Old 06-13-2019, 04:09 AM   #2867
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Is it Túrin's Orc captors? "Things that came to light" might be a reference to the flash of lightning that revealed Beleg's dead face to him.
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Old 06-13-2019, 05:46 AM   #2868
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Nope, why would I make a riddle about that?

It describes one of my favorite moments.
Well, why would anyone make a riddle about anything?
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Old 06-13-2019, 07:15 AM   #2869
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Is it Túrin's Orc captors? "Things that came to light" might be a reference to the flash of lightning that revealed Beleg's dead face to him.

And how and when did they catch him unaware? He was quite aware of them the whole time.
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Old 06-13-2019, 10:48 AM   #2870
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And how and when did they catch him unaware? He was quite aware of them the whole time.
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“Thus was Bar-en-Danwedh betrayed, for the Orcs came upon it by night at unawares, guided by Mîm.”
That's what I thought you might mean- but apparently not.

Think... think... who else is Urwen obsessed with...?
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Old 06-13-2019, 01:17 PM   #2871
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Except they did let him 'run into the night'.

And you do have the complete list of my favorites, thanks to one of my passwords.
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Old 06-14-2019, 08:45 AM   #2872
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Faramir to Gollum, then?
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No.


Hint: Think about the riddle. Think about ALL of the meanings each of the lines can have.
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One more hint: This riddle more or less paraphrases the events that occurred in a very specific chapter of a very specific book of a very specific trilogy.
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Now you just need to say the answer.
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I thought I had ....

Well, yeah, technically......
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You know what? Have at it. You let me make it by your goodwill, so I'll do the same.
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Let me change it up a little.

You want to escape from us, but beware
Of things that came to light
Of us who caught you unaware
We won't let you run into the night
Escape from us - from Merry and Pippin (and Fatty) - to face the dangers alone and not risk their lives.

Things that came to light - Merry once saw Bilbo use the Ring. Could refer to other things too, though, like the things Sam has reported.

Caught you unaware - Muttering 'Shall I ever look down that valley again' and things like that. Plus Frodo was taken unaware in that they already knew he wasn't just settling down at Crickhollow.

We won't let you run into the night - Night as a metaphor for danger; run as a metaphor for facing it recklessly and alone.

Is that better?

I had thought it obvious once solved, but actually, you're right. It's only fair, after all, to explain how the parts of a riddle work when someone has gone to the effort of making one.

Furthermore, it was probably only obvious to me because Frodo is my favourite character, (in literature, not just in Tolkien), so I know the parts of the book with him in extremely well. Which begs the question: why did I think of Shelob's eyes first? Well, that's another part of Frodo's story, so I guess that's why. The last line doesn't work as well for that solution, though. Shelob *wants* him to run into the night. (The metaphor here would be her larder).

Which reminds me ... why has no-one made me a Frodo password like your Maeglin and Huey's Telperien?
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