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Old 02-28-2008, 12:44 PM   #241
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Menel -> McCaber
Nerwen -> Volo
Boro -> Mac
Dury -> Mac 2
Rikae -> Boro
Mith -> Rikae
McCaber -> Volo 2
Greenie -> Mac 3

Sorry aboput the shorthand tally...

This is getting crazy with all the candidates!

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Old 02-28-2008, 12:45 PM   #242
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Macalaure is battling Black Riders on Weathertop.Macalaure is battling Black Riders on Weathertop.
*takes A Little Green off his list of innocents*
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Old 02-28-2008, 12:46 PM   #243
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I rather wish I'd voted for Greenie...
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Old 02-28-2008, 12:47 PM   #244
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I really don't know what to, which means that I'm waiting.

I don't want to get lynched, but neither do I want to vote Mac.
Voting Boro might be too dangerous at this point, because he's quite clearly not going to be lynched.
McCaber? That's one alternative...
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Old 02-28-2008, 12:48 PM   #245
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I could go for McCaber as he hasn't come back to his words another Day in a row and has just stood back and watched.

Greenie's vote doesn't look too good to me either.

I could see Menel but I'm afraid it would go wrong in the end.

Volo I'm a bit baffled about...

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Old 02-28-2008, 12:48 PM   #246
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What really makes me feel bad about those who are voting me, is that not one of them has a good reason behind it.
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I take what I said back.
The above statement by Mac is wolfish.
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Old 02-28-2008, 12:50 PM   #248
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Let's not lynch Mac.

He can be very helpful indeed and if he's a wolf the Day will come when he is caught acting contradictory or talking himself into a corner...

EDIT: X'd with Mac & Rikae & kind of agree with Rikae... though my point stands... even heightened...
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Old 02-28-2008, 12:50 PM   #249
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What really makes me feel bad about those who are voting me, is that not one of them has a good reason behind it.
That's what the Innocents always think.

Noggie, I doubt you have a chance in lynching Menel.
It's either me, Mac or Cabbie.
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Old 02-28-2008, 12:50 PM   #250
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I feel better about McCaber than I feel about Boro, but an innocent Boro would be a graver loss than an innocent McCaber (no offense ).
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Old 02-28-2008, 12:51 PM   #251
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Old 02-28-2008, 12:51 PM   #252
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I take what I said back.
The above statement by Mac is wolfish.
How so? I just want to make sure that those who voted me get their share of attention toMorrow, in case I die.
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Old 02-28-2008, 12:52 PM   #253
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Ouch. Who will I voooooooooooooooote? No Menel support? Ok, let's have a look at him later...

McCaber
I would like to eliminate to let my mind be at peace but even though he is quite suspicious it's a shot in the dark.

I would like to vote Volo but something restrains me. And no, it's not a last minute bad feeling, but some other bad feeling.

But in any case I think I will vote one of the two latter ones...

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Old 02-28-2008, 12:52 PM   #254
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That's what the Innocents always think.
Actually, it's what I know for a fact a wolfish Mac especially hates...
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The above statement by Mac is wolfish.
It does too, but not enough to change my opinion right now.
McCaber has been very calm now. Suspiciously so:
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Old 02-28-2008, 12:54 PM   #256
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I could vote for Menel, too, if sufficient support is given. I think I'll hesitate voting McCaber since I just realised it was Menel who gave him his one vote. Boro? Menel? Or maybe McCaber? I don't want to have to vote Volo to have a chance to save myself.
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Why is no one considering Boro, by the way? Sure, he's a good player, but we can't give him a free pass because of it - especially with no gifteds.

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I want to give McCaber one more Day to come out of the shadows and surprise me with something that reveals more what he's up to.

++VOLO


Because he really looks quite wolvish. May we get it right this time, please....

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Why is no one considering Boro, by the way? Sure, he's a good player, but we can't give him a free pass because of it - especially with no gifteds.
That needs to be remembered.

Is everybody planning to vote on the last minute?
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I'm afraid we're making the same mistake as yesterday, if we lynch Volo -- lynching the erratic one who is actually too uncautious for a wolf.
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Menel -> Caber
Nerwen -> Volo
Boro -> Mac
Durelin -> Mac (Mac 2, Caber 1, Volo 1)
Rikae -> Boro (Mac 2, Caber 1, Volo 1, Boro 1)
Mith -> Rikae (Mac 2, Caber 1, Volo 1, Boro 1, Rikae 1)
Caber -> Volo (Mac 2, Volo 2, Caber 1, Boro 1, Rikae 1)
Lily -> Mac (Mac 3, Volo 2, Caber 1, Boro 1, Rikae 1)
Volo -> Caber (Mac 3, Volo 2, Caber 2, Boro 1, Rikae 1)
Lommy -> Volo (Mac 3, Volo 3, Caber 2, Boro 1, Rikae 1)

I think Lommy's vote was suspicious.
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With no seer the wolves can afford being uncautious... which isn't saying I'm sure about Volo's guilt.

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McCaber or Volo?

I have no superior argument either way...
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Lommy vote actually looks quite bad, as if planned to fall on that place. Just waiting to make sure that I don't vote for Mac.

I'll want you to tell me your role if I get killed now.


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Okay.

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Nonsense -- they have to be cautious not to attract the villagers' attention.

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I'd clearly prefer voting McCaber over voting Volo
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Mac looks quite innocent now... don't lynch him. (I don't think you're planning to...?)

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So please McCaber at last do what you have promised all the time and talk - or convince me that that's only your tactics to make boots of us at Nights with not talking your mouth.
Third that agreement. McCaber I don't suspect directly considering the events of yesterDay, but I do think it would clear his name if he gave more of an explanation and overall opinion on his views, or at least break himself away from Mac's suspicion that he was tied to yesterDay as well.

I suspect Mac far more than McCab, but I really wish he'd speak up so that we'd stop wringing his neck then patting him on the head in confusion.

++Macalaure

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The beggars weren't terrified by sally's fate at all, quite the contrary – among the other nasty things Mac did today, he even realised that there was also a positive side to sally's death. Now, he thought, he and Menel could finally play snow war for hours on end without getting a cold. This was enough to upset his parents, but only when Mac started teasing his mother did he get a beating.

”Remember that I'm one of those parents who believe also in the efficacy of capital punishment!” exclaimed Mithalwen to her crying son, a large wooden spoon in her hand.

Mith, aren't you being a bit too strict, strict and strict with him?” asked Nogrod. ”Bear in mind that he's but a boy, boy and boy.”

”Why are you repeating everything thrice?” asked Durelin.

”I want to make sure everyone understands what I say. Sometimes it takes some repeating.”

”Ah.”

”I'm definitely not too strict, Nogrod. That boy speaks so nastily that he deserves a good beating every now and then.”

”Did you hear that?” cried Boro. ”No ordinary mother constantly beats her own child. I'm saying Mith is a wolf!”

”I think Mith is right. And if the wolves were good, they'd kill Mac for speaking like that to his mother,” said McCaber kindly.

”But they kill silent people instead... Like the poor sally,” sighed Nerwen.

”Why sally? Why not McCaber or Aganzir, for example? They didn't speak much either,” asked Mith.

”I wonder indeed,” said Death.

”Did you hear that?” cried Boro. ”She's trying to confuse us. I'm saying Mith is a wolf!”

”I actually quite agree with you, Boro,” said Rikae. ”She's clearly lying.”

”I never tell any blatant lies... Well... Except...” Mith paused, looking guilty.

”Except what?” inquired Ka.

”Well... I think I've sometimes said 'What a beautiful baby' without really meaning it... But that's all.”

”Like when Menel was born? (I'm saying Mith is a wolf!)”

”Eh... Well... Maybe we shall not speak about that now, darling, shall we?”

The argument was interrupted by a loud wailing sound.

”Ai! Ai!” cried Lommy, ”my eyes!”

”What is it?” asked Greenie.

Volo looks so foul it hurts! Take him away! I can't bear to look at him!”

”Hey... Do you really think I'm that ugly?” asked Volo in a confused voice.

”Bunnies... May I remind you that you have work to do and time is flying?” said Death.

”Oh, we completely forgot,” said the beggars, ”this is so much fun.”

”What shall we do to the lynchee today?” asked Menel.

”We need some more drinking water anyway,” said Durelin. ”What about breaking a hole in the ice of that river in the forest?”

”Sounds nice. We could drown someone there,” said Greenie.

**

The beggars left the house with picks and shovels. It took them some time to find the frozen river and shovel the snow away, and some more time to break a hole in the ice. Eventually they saw the black water, calm and threatening.

”Are there any volunteers?” asked Rikae.

”Well, if it was up to me and Boro, I think you should take me rather than him...” said McCaber.

”What?” asked the beggars who stood a little farther from the river.

”He said he volunteers!” shouted Rikae.

”Let's try if he is a real submarine!” cried Lommy.

The mob came and grabbed McCaber by his yellow coat sleeve. While Rikae and Durelin held his legs, Volo pushed his head under the water and held it there until no more bubbles came up.

McCaber had drowned, but his body was still that of a little boy's, not a wolf's. As the beggars stood watching, the last rays of the sun vanished below the mountains. They rushed back, towards the twinkling lights of the house.

**

Alive:
Nogrod the Agreeable, the leader of the beggars
his wife, Nerwen
elderly couple; Rikae the Kind
and Durelin
Boromir88 the Silent One, an ex-pickpocket
his wife, Mithalwen the Perpetually Sane and Serene
their children Macalaure the Guileless
and Meneltarmacil
Volo, a young widowed man
THE Ka, a blind old woman
orphaned little Thinlómien
and her little sister A Little Green

Dead:
Tom Bombadil (ranger) - killed on Night 1
Goldberry (seer) - killed on Night 1
The Barrow-wight (hunter) - killed on Night 1
Gwathagor, the child of Nogrod and Nerwen (ordo) - used as a battering ram on Day 1
Sally the Insufferable, a slightly mad crippled woman (ordo) - skinned, scalped and made to clothes on Night 2
the Right Honourable McCaber, Volo's child (ordo) - drowned in the Withywindle on Day 2

It is now Night 3. Wolves may kill. No posting here.

And sorry Ka, but your vote doesn't count.
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Leaf Night 3

That night, it was snowing again. The wolves were sitting in the passage and chatting merrily. Death was studying a map of the Old Forest and the Shire.

”Would you guys mind getting me some ink tonight? A piece of charcoal is definitely not the best choice of medium for making accurate plans.”

”Sure,” said a wolf.

”That is no problem,” said another. ”Who, do you think, could provide us with the brightest colour?”

”I think I have an idea. But first I must ask you something... I have always wondered why we can only kill one person a night,” said the third.

”Me too. I mean, they are all asleep and we could easily kill them without making too much noise. Why not take them all at once? Why do we have to wait and risk getting ourselves killed by them first?”

Death seemed to be almost offended by the question. She lifted her eyes from the map. ”It is art! It takes time to make a masterpiece. You can't make several of them in just one night. I thought that was obvious.”

”Yes, now that I think it, it makes sense. Thank you.”

”Poor cubs – I know all too well how bloodlust feels. But don't worry. If everything goes as I have planned, you will soon have a plenty of kills for every night...”

**

”She wanted bright red ink.”

”Do you know how to turn blood bright red?”

”It takes a carbon monoxide poisoning.”

”Indeed.”

The wolves crept into the living room and took some charcoal from the fireplace.

”It always makes me feel so practical when I do something like this... We need to get proper-coloured ink instead of charcoal, and the easiest way to get it is to burn charcoal. This is so handy!”

They took the pieces to Tom and Goldberry's room and lit them. They returned to the living room, picked a sleeper and carried her away. She woke up in the passage. They bound and gagged her, pushed her into the room and closed the door. When they opened it again after a while, THE Ka was unconscious.

One wolf took a knife and another a basin while the third held her body. The wolf with the knife slit her throat open gravely. Bright red blood poured into the basin.

”What a beautiful hue!” exclaimed the third wolf delightedly.

**

The beggars were naturally very upset to discover Ka's limp and drained body and some bottled blood, but there was also another concern: it had snowed so much in the night that it was practically impossible to get about the house. Therefore Boro promised to go and shovel snow. When the yard was more or less passable again, he and Volo decided to go and see if McCaber's body was still where they had left it and if anything could be done for it anymore.

On their way there, a tree bumped into Boro.

”Oh my,” the tree said in a squeaky and smug voice, ”don't you have any manners? See, I hurt myself!” He pointed at the withered leaf that had fell on the snow.

”Sorry,” said Boro, ”but it was definitely not my fault. You came from the behind and were walking too fast for the weather conditions. You should have been more careful.”

”How very dare you?” asked the tree furiously, ”it was your fault indeed! I'll tell Old Man Willow what you did and he'll kill you!”

”Go away and stop bothering us,” said Boro.

”Well, well!” Volo said. ”These trees do shift.”

**

It took them a while to find McCaber's snow-covered body. They had almost dug it out when the tree returned.

”Old Man Willow tells you to come. Immediately!”

”Nah, I don't think so,” said Boro. ”I have a lovely wife and two sweet children, and wolf-hunting to do. I cannot possibly come.”

But even he couldn't resist the power of the Willow-man whose song and thought ran through the woods on both sides of the river. He tried to make it back to the house, but the trees barred his way. Roots and branches emerged from nowhere and took hold on him. It was the last time Boro was seen.

**

Alive:
Nogrod the Agreeable, the leader of the beggars
his wife, Nerwen
elderly couple; Rikae the Kind
and Durelin
Mithalwen the Perpetually Sane and Serene, Boro's widow
their children Macalaure the Guileless
and Meneltarmacil
Volo, a young widowed man
orphaned little Thinlómien
and her little sister A Little Green

Dead:
Tom Bombadil (ranger) - killed on Night 1
Goldberry (seer) - killed on Night 1
The Barrow-wight (hunter) - killed on Night 1
Gwathagor, the child of Nogrod and Nerwen (ordo) - used as a battering ram on Day 1
Sally the Insufferable, a slightly mad crippled woman (ordo) - skinned, scalped and made to clothes on Night 2
the Right Honourable McCaber, Volo's child (ordo) - drowned in the Withywindle on Day 2
THE Ka, a blind old woman (ordo) - poisoned with carbon monoxide & throat slit open on Night 3
Boromir88 the Silent One, Mith's husband, Mac & Menel's father, an ex-pickpocket (ordo) - accused unjustly and carried away against his will by annoying trees at the beginning of Day 3

It is now Day 3. Wolves stop PMing. Start talking.

Boro had to pull out because of work things.
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We at least I find black very becoming....

Given his recent behaviour towards me I find my grief more controllable than it might have been. I knew him so well and he clearly didn't know me at all no matter what he thought.

So I have the choice of being a merry widow of taking advantage of the date and proposing to a replacement. However there is not exactly a glut of eligible bachelors around (story of my life ) so ..... better find the wolves so I can survive to go to a happier hunting ground... Not easy - we are an extra innocent down and the only person of whose innocence I was confident is gone.
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yesterDay's votes

1. Menel for McCaber.
He didn't say much all day. The vote itself is neither suspicious nor innocent.

2. Nerwen for Volo.
Her case was bad, but then, she didn't have any better, as far as I can see. Neither suspicious nor innocent.

3. Boro for meee!
Known innocentish vote.

4. Durelin for meee!
Maybe others need to judge whether her reasoning was good or not. To me, it's bad, but I feel like I'm biased. The vote placement isn't worrying, I think.

5. Rikae for Boro.
Follows her earlier suspicion. Nothing alarming here, especially since later she urged others to follow her vote.

6. Mith for Rikae.
This vote confuses me. I don't know why Mith plays so nervously and alarmed. I don't think it's wolvish, though.

7. McCaber for Volo.
Known innocentish vote.

8. Lily for meee!
Urged me twice to explain myself, and when I did, she didn't bother to say a thing about it and just voted me. Her last words sound very wolvish to me:
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And if you start accusing me of joining a bandwaggon then I suggest you go and reread my posts from toDay. (Sorry - just had to say that.)
It not only sounds wolvish, it also makes no sense to refer to her earlier suspicion, because it relied on my explanation and was therefore outdated. Unless she explains herself very convincingly, she's my top suspect for toDay.

9. Volo for McCaber.
Voted for the only one he saw as an alternative to himself and me. He was against trying to lynch Menel, which is something to keep in mind should we prove one of them guilty at some later point.

10. Lommy for Volo.
I think she overdid her "Who will I voooooooooooooooote?" yesterDay. She's another one who claimed to be interested in voting Menel but didn't do it because there was no support (at the time she said it, Menel could have gotten four votes: hers, Volo's, Nogrod's and mine). The way Volo declined to go this way was less suspicious (I doubt you can do it) opposed to Lommy's "No Menel-support? Oh, well..."

11. Nogrod for McCaber.
Wise choice at the time, I think. He was sufficiently suspicious of me before to make a plausible (objectively) case and vote for me. He didn't. I know Wolfgrod could pull this off, but for now I'll consider him likely innocent.

12. Me for McCaber.
Definitely not my first choice, but preferable to my own passing away.


And now I need to go and think about the deaths of the night.
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At the moment, my mind is a mess, but I'll try to make some sense of it all and unfortunately you are doomed to read it...

I'm not actually surprised to see THE Ka go but there's something odd in her death. I dare to claim we have sporty wolves: with once again messing up the deadline THE Ka placed herself in a situation where she would have been relatively possibly been removed from the game. So, in a way, the wolves did us a favour by killing her (now that sounds quite horrible, sorry Ka ) by using their kill on someone who had bigger chance than the rest of us to be removed from the game as an extra innocent casuality, if you understand what I mean. But I'm not claiming this is the reason why the wolves killed her... I need to have a look at her posts.

I'm so sorry to see Boro go for out-of-game reasons. Well, at least I need not wonder about the contradictory signals he gave out anymore and my big project is reduced by a quarter.

Big project? As you probably remember, I was at the edge of anguish with the four experienced loudmouths - Mac, Rikae, Nog and Boro. I made the decision that I shall analyse all of them, if I'm still alive on this Day. And I'm going to keep this promise to myself. It only remains to be see when do I have time for that.

I'm almost 100% not all of Nog, Rikae and Mac are innocent. It just would not make sense, there's too much contradiction in the air. I think one or possibly two of them is/are wolf/wolves. Looking at the extremely fishy out-of-nowhere last-minute lynch yesterDay, I can not believe both Mac and Nog are innocent. They just can't be. I won't ramble more right now, but you can be sure I'll be back with some thoughts on yesterDay's voting with which there's something seriously wrong, I think, and to elaborate a bit more on this.

My shot-in-the-dark initial suspicion right now is that the wolves are Mac, Mith and Volo (or possibly Durelin or Menel here as the third one). But I need to analyse the loudmouths and think more about everybody, before I can really start pointing fingers at people.

Ok, this was supposed to be my "short" post... Both Nog and Greenie are waiting for their turn, so I'd better go. We'll be sharing the computer the whole Day, so we all can't flood-post all the time...

edit. xed with Mith and Mac - should I scream in terror? *would add a smiley if it was allowed*
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Lommie, you have nothing to fear from me unless you are a wolf.
Mac,I don't know why Mith plays so nervously and alarmed I do not concur with your interpretation (mine is a simple combination of PMT, work stress, other RL stress and just too little time making me irritable. Perpetually sane and serene is ironic you know, you should, you have played with me before. The fact that you do not realise by now that being grouchy and thin skinned is completely normal for me in werewolf games, seems a bit odd.
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Down two in one Night...not pretty... Why is it the village is never lucky enough to have a wolf drop out?

Well, I must apologize right off the bat because I will be gone most of the day tomorrow (Saturday) visiting my grandmother, so I will have to vote before I go to bed tonight...unless I get up a little eary. Don't count on it. But I will at least be staying up fairly late!

First up, a random thought... I suggest that perhaps one of Rikae and Mac is a wolf. At different times they each seem to be trying to buddy-up to the other, which would obviously give the wolf of the pair a pretty strong ally. I hope that I'm not playing dirty here...I really don't mean to...it's just a game, but...these things do come into play. (I made Cailin a wolf and Eomer an innocent in the game I modded and apparently Eomer had promised that he was not to ever vote for her...not that something like that necessarily applies at all!) *hides behind a conveniently placed couch*

I need to go back and look at Rikae again...she's my first gut suspicion and I probably shouldn't have pushed her aside quite so much...

On the other hand, I agree with both her and Mac on A Little Green (except that their great suspicion seems to be completely based on the placement of her vote, which does not make sense to me...yes, factoring that in makes sense, but...). And I agree with Mac about Lommy. She's been playing up the uncertainty and a sort of "I'm too nice to want to kill anyone!" thing...at least I've been getting that sort of vibe from her. We all know she's not really just a squishy penguin through and through...

Both Lommy's and Nerwen's votes for Volo were soooo easy. Nerwen's especially...early on, when everyone was looking at Volo. She seems to have been going with the flow as much as possible. Of course, I have no idea what Volo is up to, so I don't know if I have much to go on. I like to give Volo the benefit of the doubt when he's all over the place, but...meh.

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. We all know she's not really just a squishy penguin through and through...
She does have a ping-wing avatar thought ..they are fairly squishy penguins.... sorry flippant....
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