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the real nazgul · 12-29-2002, 02:01 PM

In TTT, at Mordor Gate,Frodo covers Sam with his cloak that looks like a rock. When did he get this. If he got it at the start, why not use it when the orcs were looking for frodo in tfotr?Whats the story about the all-seeing eye? Im only on page 157 in the book tfotr and im confused in the movie!Just because im bored ill tell u this- other people call themselves a nazgul e.g. nazgulnumberten, but i AM a nazgul! evidence? Click on, in the main menu, 'Who were you in Middle-earth?' (Or sumthin like that)Type in 'Simon Elliot Batt'(my name)and see the 1st result!

12-29-2002, 02:36 PM

Frodo got the gray cloak that he used in TTT from Galadriel in Lothlorien. All the members of the Fellowship got one in the book. The cloaks shield them from unfriendly eyes. As for the all-seeing eye, I think they mean the Eye of Sauron, because it sees all that happens. Or something like that.

Manwe Sulimo · 12-29-2002, 02:41 PM

Yes, the cloak is an Elven cloak from Lórien, woven by Galadriel herself, to hide the Fellowship from "unfriendly eyes" (actually all eyes, except those of Elves). They were also meant to be used in TTT with Aragorn, Legolas, and Gimli hiding from Éomer & Co., but that would've given that power away....In the extended DVD, the scene in which Galadriel gives the Fellowship the cloaks is included. ("Never before have we clad strangers....")The "all-seeing" eye is the Eye of Sauron, which can basically see anything that it is focused on (to a certain extent).

LePetitChoux · 12-29-2002, 03:51 PM

Frodo & Sam didn't use it before because they didn't know it made them a kind of invisible (but not really, just camouflaged).How are you finding the books so far?

Purple Elf · 12-29-2002, 03:56 PM

Hey thisis by my brother! why didnt he just ask me?

Manwe Sulimo · 12-29-2002, 04:08 PM

LOL. Ye must gain the faith of they kin before you gain the faith of me....Hehe. I hate myself for screwing with desktop settings...this font is making me very confused...

Arwen Imladris · 12-29-2002, 04:16 PM

Purple Elf: maybe because he is your brother? Seriously, I wouldn't worry about it.

the real nazgul · 12-30-2002, 03:19 PM

well im soooooorrrryyyy! all i wanna do is talk to other nice people on the net, sis! anyway, another question:why did those kings that recieved rings turn evil and transformm into dark riders, when the others were ok (as all i know)?

Elven Mistress · 12-30-2002, 03:46 PM

Correct me if i'm wrong but didn't Galadriel or someone say something like "But the hearts of men are easily corrupted..."

the real nazgul · 12-30-2002, 04:20 PM

aaah nice point there! please can u also view ur opinions on TTT! i wuld like to hear from you v. nice people!

doug*platypus · 01-01-2003, 07:40 AM

<BLOCKQUOTE>quote:<HR> Frodo & Sam didn't use it before because they didn't know it made them a kind of invisible (but not really, just camouflaged). <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>Er... I'd have to disagree with you there, kind of, Petit. The way I read it in the books, the cloaks aren't something you consciously "use" as in turn on and off. They're always going, blending in with the greys and greens of the natural landscape. Although rumours abounded about how cool the "invisibility cloaks" would look, the movies deal with the cloaks differently. It would be too hard for them to camouflage the Fellowship all the time - after all, they couldn't even manage to make Glamdring and Sting glow as they should've. I love the scene where we do see the cloaks in action, though, it's freaky - so real! Almost makes up for the 'clumsy Sam' routine. Almost.

the real nazgul · 01-03-2003, 12:23 PM

<BLOCKQUOTE>quote:<HR> How are you finding the books so far? <HR></BLOCKQUOTE> they're good, i admit. If im not careful, the books might take over my sleep! Anyone have questions? There are some real experts out there, so you wont be disappointed!

Mandos · 01-03-2003, 12:34 PM

If i may add something to your question about the nine rings; the elves could sense that Sauron was wearing the one ring and took theirs off. But i believe that the men could not/would not percieve this and continues wearing theirs because of the power the rings gave them. Eventually, they fell under the dominion of the One and were slaves of Sauron

FarathrimMaiden · 01-05-2003, 05:00 PM

and of course the elves could not be corrupted by their rings because they forged them secretly, Sauron did not pout his evil into them, the dwarves were less susceptible to power they mostly lost their rings in dragons caves and eventually Sauron recovered them all.

12-29-2002, 02:01 PM	#1
the real nazgul Animated Skeleton Join Date: Dec 2002 Location: Nazguls foster home Posts: 36	Some Questions Needing Answers In TTT, at Mordor Gate,Frodo covers Sam with his cloak that looks like a rock. When did he get this. If he got it at the start, why not use it when the orcs were looking for frodo in tfotr?<P>Whats the story about the all-seeing eye? Im only on page 157 in the book tfotr and im confused in the movie!<P>Just because im bored ill tell u this- other people call themselves a nazgul<BR>e.g. nazgulnumberten, but i AM a nazgul!<BR>evidence? Click on, in the main menu, 'Who were you in Middle-earth?' (Or sumthin like that)Type in 'Simon Elliot Batt'(my name)and see the 1st result! __________________ Its not the size of the dog in the fight but the size of the fight in the dog

12-29-2002, 02:41 PM	#3
Manwe Sulimo Ghost Prince of Cardolan Join Date: Jul 2002 Location: Taurelilómëa-tumbalemorna Tumbaletaurëa Lómëanor Posts: 553	Yes, the cloak is an Elven cloak from Lórien, woven by Galadriel herself, to hide the Fellowship from "unfriendly eyes" (actually all eyes, except those of Elves). They were also meant to be used in TTT with Aragorn, Legolas, and Gimli hiding from Éomer & Co., but that would've given that power away....<P>In the extended DVD, the scene in which Galadriel gives the Fellowship the cloaks is included. ("Never before have we clad strangers....")<P>The "all-seeing" eye is the Eye of Sauron, which can basically see anything that it is focused on (to a certain extent). __________________ "Monkeys learn sign language so they can tell the dolphins they love them."

12-29-2002, 03:51 PM	#4
LePetitChoux Vegetable of Doom Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: London Posts: 721	Frodo & Sam didn't use it before because they didn't know it made them a kind of invisible (but not really, just camouflaged).<P>How are you finding the books so far? __________________ je suis une bonne odeur

12-29-2002, 03:56 PM	#5
Purple Elf Animated Skeleton Join Date: Dec 2002 Location: A tree somewhere anywhere! Posts: 34	Hey thisis by my brother! why didnt he just ask me? __________________ "Because i belived you to be indeed Luthien Tinuvel, of whom i was singing. but if you are not she, then you walk in her likeness." - Aragorn

12-29-2002, 04:08 PM	#6
Manwe Sulimo Ghost Prince of Cardolan Join Date: Jul 2002 Location: Taurelilómëa-tumbalemorna Tumbaletaurëa Lómëanor Posts: 553	LOL. Ye must gain the faith of they kin before you gain the faith of me....<P>Hehe. I hate myself for screwing with desktop settings...this font is making me very confused... __________________ "Monkeys learn sign language so they can tell the dolphins they love them."

12-29-2002, 02:36 PM	#2
beckers Guest Posts: n/a	Frodo got the gray cloak that he used in TTT from Galadriel in Lothlorien. All the members of the Fellowship got one in the book. The cloaks shield them from unfriendly eyes. As for the all-seeing eye, I think they mean the Eye of Sauron, because it sees all that happens. Or something like that.

12-29-2002, 04:16 PM	#7
Arwen Imladris Ghost Prince of Cardolan Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: In a box with a fox Posts: 1,347	Purple Elf: maybe because he is your brother? Seriously, I wouldn't worry about it. __________________ "Wake up! Wake up! Wake up, sleepies, we must go, yes, we must go at once."

12-30-2002, 03:19 PM	#8
the real nazgul Animated Skeleton Join Date: Dec 2002 Location: Nazguls foster home Posts: 36	well im soooooorrrryyyy! all i wanna do is talk to other nice people on the net, sis! anyway, another question:why did those kings that recieved rings turn evil and transformm into dark riders, when the others were ok (as all i know)? __________________ Its not the size of the dog in the fight but the size of the fight in the dog

12-30-2002, 03:46 PM	#9
Elven Mistress Wight Join Date: Aug 2002 Location: Lothlorien Posts: 135	Correct me if i'm wrong but didn't Galadriel or someone say something like<BR>"But the hearts of men are easily corrupted..." __________________ And i know/ It's only in my mind/ That i'm talking to myself/ And not to him!

12-30-2002, 04:20 PM	#10
the real nazgul Animated Skeleton Join Date: Dec 2002 Location: Nazguls foster home Posts: 36	aaah nice point there! please can u also view ur opinions on TTT! i wuld like to hear from you v. nice people! __________________ Its not the size of the dog in the fight but the size of the fight in the dog

01-01-2003, 07:40 AM	#11
doug*platypus Delver in the Deep Join Date: Dec 2002 Location: Aotearoa Posts: 961	<BLOCKQUOTE>quote:<HR> Frodo & Sam didn't use it before because they didn't know it made them a kind of invisible (but not really, just camouflaged). <HR></BLOCKQUOTE><P>Er... I'd have to disagree with you there, kind of, Petit. The way I read it in the books, the cloaks aren't something you consciously "use" as in turn on and off. They're always going, blending in with the greys and greens of the natural landscape. Although rumours abounded about how cool the "invisibility cloaks" would look, the movies deal with the cloaks differently. It would be too hard for them to camouflage the Fellowship all the time - after all, they couldn't even manage to make Glamdring and Sting glow as they should've. I love the scene where we do see the cloaks in action, though, it's freaky - so real! Almost makes up for the 'clumsy Sam' routine. Almost. __________________ But Gwindor answered: 'The doom lies in yourself, not in your name'.

01-03-2003, 12:23 PM	#12
the real nazgul Animated Skeleton Join Date: Dec 2002 Location: Nazguls foster home Posts: 36	<BLOCKQUOTE>quote:<HR> How are you finding the books so far? <HR></BLOCKQUOTE> they're good, i admit. If im not careful, the books might take over my sleep!<BR>Anyone have questions? There are some real experts out there, so you wont be disappointed! __________________ Its not the size of the dog in the fight but the size of the fight in the dog

01-03-2003, 12:34 PM	#13
Mandos Wight Join Date: Jan 2003 Location: Panama City, Florida Posts: 131	If i may add something to your question about the nine rings; the elves could sense that Sauron was wearing the one ring and took theirs off. But i believe that the men could not/would not percieve this and continues wearing theirs because of the power the rings gave them. Eventually, they fell under the dominion of the One and were slaves of Sauron __________________ He came unto the timeless halls where shining fall the countless years and endless reigns the Elder King in Ilmarin on Mountain sheer

01-05-2003, 05:00 PM	#14
FarathrimMaiden Pile O'Bones Join Date: Jan 2003 Location: Wandering the Shores of Middle-earth Posts: 21	and of course the elves could not be corrupted by their rings because they forged them secretly, Sauron did not pout his evil into them, the dwarves were less susceptible to power they mostly lost their rings in dragons caves and eventually Sauron recovered them all. __________________ Not All Those Who Wander Are Lost. Frodo most certainly does live. "Will you look into my mirror?" "What will I see?"