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Serevian The Ranger · 12-28-2001, 12:05 PM

did tolkien ever use characters from other fantasy series because many other series have used his

Voronwe · 12-28-2001, 02:35 PM

He did not, simply because no other fantasy series existed at the time. The genre pretty much begun with the writing of the Lord of the Rings.

However, he did draw inspiration (and use names) from a great many mythological sources. I believe the name 'Gandalf', along with the 13 Dwarf names in The Hobbit, were all originally from the same mythological work.

-Voronwe

12-29-2001, 08:37 PM

Tolkien relied heavily on NOrse mythology...a lot of dwarve names of the 13 were norse..not sure about Gandalf's origins.

Evil Anya · 12-31-2001, 04:00 AM

I'm pretty sure i read somewhere that dwarf runes are based on Norse runes. But like someone already said, there really wasn't any fantasy series that existed before Tolkien so there really was nothing to borrow from. I suppose you could consider ancient mythology a kind of Fantasy work though.

Schvenn Of The Schack · 12-31-2001, 10:19 AM

In highschool I did my OAC (Ontaio Academic Credit) english essay on LOTR and spent the majority of the time showing the parallels between his works and the Norse mythology.
I still have a copy of that essay too.
[img]smilies/smile.gif[/img]
It's my pride and joy as pathetic and laughable as it is now.
hehehe

01-11-2002, 05:16 PM

He must have used some things from English mythology eg. Beowulf.

01-13-2002, 01:49 AM

yes he did use some things from diferant mithalogies. i mean what aurther hasn't?
this isn't the movie board but o well.
they did use sertian carecters from a couple of vidio games and other sorcess. for instence. When Saruman whached his orcs dig out a human/orc inbread. the creater was the last boss from was craft 2.
the balrog was very similar to the daemon in fantasia and a devil from south american lore.
but back to the did he origanly coppy things from mythology. Wargs and orc are the obvius ones but the balrog in the cave of moria was also a mythilogical creater.

sorry for the bad spelling and grammer.

zifnab · 01-13-2002, 12:28 PM

Quote:

this isn't the movie board but o well.
they did use sertian carecters from a couple of vidio games and other sorcess. for instence. When Saruman whached his orcs dig out a human/orc inbread. the creater was the last boss from was craft 2.
the balrog was very similar to the daemon in fantasia and a devil from south american lore.

Well Im confused about the above comment, are you saying that "In the movie", the balrog is similiar to a video game charator. Or are you saying that in the book, Tolkien, got his idea about his "creations" from a video game. I sure hope that your not! I think that Tolkien passed away in the early 70's way before Atari was even around.

I may not just be understanding what your trying to imply though, but I would bet money that NO video game has anything to do with Tolkien, when he was still alive!

Lindolirian · 01-13-2002, 03:46 PM

Gandalf is derived from the ancient Scandinavian word "Gandalff" meaning "sorcerer elf"

-The Languages of Tolkien's Middle Earth
by: Ruth S. Noel

01-17-2002, 06:50 PM

No I'm not saying he did that's imposible.
I'm saying he didn't copy any carectors from any other book.
But i was just comenting that in the movie they used vidio game carectors for how some people or things looked.
If i worded it weard so it coudn't be read very easily than I'm sorry.
ryan
(skippy-Tarrhosion) [img]smilies/smile.gif[/img]

Little_My* · 04-19-2002, 09:59 AM

And the dwarf name is not just norse...but swedish to...just wanted you to know! [img]smilies/smile.gif[/img]

Eärendil · 04-19-2002, 11:05 AM

Wasn´t Gandalf someone there in the swedes´ "believe of the nordic gods" if ya understand me..? Or am I wrong?

12-28-2001, 12:05 PM	#1
Serevian The Ranger Animated Skeleton Join Date: Dec 2001 Posts: 40	characters did tolkien ever use characters from other fantasy series because many other series have used his

12-28-2001, 02:35 PM	#2
Voronwe Shade of Carn Dûm Join Date: Sep 2000 Location: Gondolin Posts: 413	He did not, simply because no other fantasy series existed at the time. The genre pretty much begun with the writing of the Lord of the Rings. However, he did draw inspiration (and use names) from a great many mythological sources. I believe the name 'Gandalf', along with the 13 Dwarf names in The Hobbit, were all originally from the same mythological work. -Voronwe __________________ "If you would be a real seeker after truth, you must at least once in your life doubt, as far as possible, all things." -- René Descartes

12-31-2001, 10:19 AM	#5
Schvenn Of The Schack Pile O'Bones Join Date: Dec 2001 Posts: 16	In highschool I did my OAC (Ontaio Academic Credit) english essay on LOTR and spent the majority of the time showing the parallels between his works and the Norse mythology. I still have a copy of that essay too. [img]smilies/smile.gif[/img] It's my pride and joy as pathetic and laughable as it is now. hehehe __________________ http://www3.sympatico.ca/craig.plath...ftheschack.gif

01-13-2002, 03:46 PM	#9
Lindolirian World's Tallest Hobbit Join Date: Nov 2001 Location: Where the view is long Posts: 2,126	Gandalf is derived from the ancient Scandinavian word "Gandalff" meaning "sorcerer elf" -The Languages of Tolkien's Middle Earth by: Ruth S. Noel __________________ 'They say that the One will himself enter into Arda, and heal Men and all the Marring from the beginning to the end."

04-19-2002, 09:59 AM	#11
Little_My* Pile O'Bones Join Date: Apr 2002 Location: Stockholm, sweden Posts: 11	And the dwarf name is not just norse...but swedish to...just wanted you to know! [img]smilies/smile.gif[/img] __________________ "Do extra-terrestrial beings exist? - the Nobel Prize winning Italian physicist, Enrico Fermi, was once asked by his disciples in California. Of course, Fermi answered - they are already here among us, they are called Hungarians..."

12-29-2001, 08:37 PM	#3
Galahira-may Guest Posts: n/a	Tolkien relied heavily on NOrse mythology...a lot of dwarve names of the 13 were norse..not sure about Gandalf's origins.

12-31-2001, 04:00 AM	#4
Evil Anya Animated Skeleton Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: New Haven, CT Posts: 28	I'm pretty sure i read somewhere that dwarf runes are based on Norse runes. But like someone already said, there really wasn't any fantasy series that existed before Tolkien so there really was nothing to borrow from. I suppose you could consider ancient mythology a kind of Fantasy work though.

01-11-2002, 05:16 PM	#6
sk8er74t Guest Posts: n/a	He must have used some things from English mythology eg. Beowulf.

01-13-2002, 01:49 AM	#7
skippy Guest Posts: n/a	yes he did use some things from diferant mithalogies. i mean what aurther hasn't? this isn't the movie board but o well. they did use sertian carecters from a couple of vidio games and other sorcess. for instence. When Saruman whached his orcs dig out a human/orc inbread. the creater was the last boss from was craft 2. the balrog was very similar to the daemon in fantasia and a devil from south american lore. but back to the did he origanly coppy things from mythology. Wargs and orc are the obvius ones but the balrog in the cave of moria was also a mythilogical creater. sorry for the bad spelling and grammer.

01-17-2002, 06:50 PM	#10
skippy Guest Posts: n/a	No I'm not saying he did that's imposible. I'm saying he didn't copy any carectors from any other book. But i was just comenting that in the movie they used vidio game carectors for how some people or things looked. If i worded it weard so it coudn't be read very easily than I'm sorry. ryan (skippy-Tarrhosion) [img]smilies/smile.gif[/img]

04-19-2002, 11:05 AM	#12
Eärendil Ghost Prince of Cardolan Join Date: Jan 2002 Location: Valinor (RtL: 1220 miles) Posts: 562	Wasn´t Gandalf someone there in the swedes´ "believe of the nordic gods" if ya understand me..? Or am I wrong? __________________ Jag ska aldrig göra dig illa. Inte igen. Åtminstone inte mycket, åtminstone inte hårt. Kommer du ihåg? Då vi fortfarande kunde skratta, le på ett äkta vis. Jag tänker på det ibland. Det smärtar. För aldrig har du väl varit. Längre bort. Från mig.