Why wasn't Sauron invisible while wearing the one ring? - The Barrow-Downs Discussion Forum

Diamond Green · 07-23-2003, 12:14 PM

Ok, maybe a stupid question, maybe not. I've been searching for a thread about this, and I haven't found any.So, any thoughts about this?

Lord of Angmar · 07-23-2003, 12:23 PM

The One Ring gives its wearer powers according to the bearer's stature. Since the hobbits are simple creatures, not powerful by any definition of the word nor by any stretch of imagination, they were awarded with a simple gift from the Ring. For Men also it yielded invisibility, and perhaps other powers. I am of the opinion that the Ring would have been stronger had Aragorn wielded it, stronger still had an Elf wielded it, and terrifyingly strong if Gandalf the Grey had put it on, being a Maia. Since Sauron was stronger than all of the aforementioned, he held great power when wielding his Ring, but it had no need to convey to him the power of invisibility.[ July 23, 2003: Message edited by: Lord of Angmar ]

Diamond Green · 07-23-2003, 12:41 PM

That makes sense, thanks

Esgallhugwen · 07-23-2003, 12:49 PM

The Lord of Angmar brings up an excellent point, also Sauron does not wish to hide from his enemies he feels he has no reason to do so, for they should fear him; not the other way around!

Meela · 07-23-2003, 12:57 PM

<A HREF="http://forum.barrowdowns.com/cgi-bin/ultimatebb.cgi?ubb=get_topic&f=4&t=002182" TARGET=_blank>http://forum.barrowdowns.com/cgi-bin/ultimatebb.cgi?ubb=get_topic&f=4&t=002182</A> I think there maybe some related information in this thread.

Diamond Green · 07-23-2003, 01:01 PM

So, if I get this right, because Sauron is so powerfull, he doesn't need to be invisible, and he can choose his "fysical form"? I better do some more research on this... Thanks for the link, Meela, it was really helpfull![ July 23, 2003: Message edited by: Diamond Green ]

Esgallhugwen · 07-23-2003, 01:04 PM

That is exactly correct he had such a firery evil might within in him that in his folly he feared no one.

The Only Real Estel · 07-23-2003, 06:08 PM

He didn't really need to be invisable, although he couldn't take whatever form he wanted. Before he was nearly destroyed (in the flood of Numenour I believe he could take whatever shape he wanted (ie:wolf, eagle, coney, etc.), but then the flood took that power out. Still, he was powerful enough while wearing the Ring he didn't need to make the Ring make him invisable. Although if you look at the topic Sauron & the Ring you'll get a larger range of opinions as well.

07-23-2003, 12:14 PM	#1
Diamond Green Pile O'Bones Join Date: Jul 2003 Location: between the mountains and the sea Posts: 17	Why wasn't Sauron invisible while wearing the one ring? Ok, maybe a stupid question, maybe not.<BR>I've been searching for a thread about this, and I haven't found any.<P>So, any thoughts about this? __________________ If more of us valued food and cheer and song above hoarded gold, it would be a merrier world.

07-23-2003, 12:23 PM	#2
Lord of Angmar Tyrannus Incorporalis Join Date: Jun 2003 Location: the North Posts: 833	The One Ring gives its wearer powers according to the bearer's stature. Since the hobbits are simple creatures, not powerful by any definition of the word nor by any stretch of imagination, they were awarded with a simple gift from the Ring. For Men also it yielded invisibility, and perhaps other powers. I am of the opinion that the Ring would have been stronger had Aragorn wielded it, stronger still had an Elf wielded it, and terrifyingly strong if Gandalf the Grey had put it on, being a Maia. Since Sauron was stronger than all of the aforementioned, he held great power when wielding his Ring, but it had no need to convey to him the power of invisibility.<p>[ July 23, 2003: Message edited by: Lord of Angmar ] __________________ ...where the instrument of intelligence is added to brute power and evil will, mankind is powerless in its own defence.

07-23-2003, 12:41 PM	#3
Diamond Green Pile O'Bones Join Date: Jul 2003 Location: between the mountains and the sea Posts: 17	That makes sense, thanks __________________ If more of us valued food and cheer and song above hoarded gold, it would be a merrier world.

07-23-2003, 12:49 PM	#4
Esgallhugwen Ghost Prince of Cardolan Join Date: Jun 2003 Location: Where the Moon cries against the snow Posts: 559	The Lord of Angmar brings up an excellent point, also Sauron does not wish to hide from his enemies he feels he has no reason to do so, for they should fear him; not the other way around! __________________ "...for the sin of the idolater is not that he worships stone, but that he worships one stone over others. -8:9:4 The Witness of Fane"

07-23-2003, 12:57 PM	#5
Meela Denethor's True Love Join Date: Sep 2002 Location: Mirkwood. With Thranduil... swoon Posts: 2,070	<A HREF="http://forum.barrowdowns.com/cgi-bin/ultimatebb.cgi?ubb=get_topic&f=4&t=002182" TARGET=_blank>http://forum.barrowdowns.com/cgi-bin/ultimatebb.cgi?ubb=get_topic&f=4&t=002182</A> <P>I think there maybe some related information in this thread. __________________ 'The Hobbit' 1st impressions: 1. Thorin is hot... Oh god, I fancy a dwarf. 2. Thranduil is hotter. 3. Is that... Figwit! 4. Does Elijah Wood never age? 2nd: It's all about Fili & Kili, really. 3rd: BARD! OMG, Bard.

07-23-2003, 01:01 PM	#6
Diamond Green Pile O'Bones Join Date: Jul 2003 Location: between the mountains and the sea Posts: 17	So, if I get this right, because Sauron is so powerfull, he doesn't need to be invisible, and he can choose his "fysical form"? <BR>I better do some more research on this...<P><BR>Thanks for the link, Meela, it was really helpfull!<p>[ July 23, 2003: Message edited by: Diamond Green ] __________________ If more of us valued food and cheer and song above hoarded gold, it would be a merrier world.

07-23-2003, 01:04 PM	#7
Esgallhugwen Ghost Prince of Cardolan Join Date: Jun 2003 Location: Where the Moon cries against the snow Posts: 559	That is exactly correct he had such a firery evil might within in him that in his folly he feared no one. __________________ "...for the sin of the idolater is not that he worships stone, but that he worships one stone over others. -8:9:4 The Witness of Fane"

07-23-2003, 06:08 PM	#8
The Only Real Estel Raffish Rapscallion Join Date: Apr 2003 Location: Far from the 'Downs, it seems :-( Posts: 2,917	He didn't really need to be invisable, although he couldn't take whatever form he wanted. Before he was nearly destroyed (in the flood of Numenour I believe he could take whatever shape he wanted (ie:wolf, eagle, coney, etc.), but then the flood took that power out. Still, he was powerful enough while wearing the Ring he didn't need to make the Ring make him invisable. Although if you look at the topic <B>Sauron & the Ring</B> you'll get a larger range of opinions as well.