If Frodo met Denathor.... - The Barrow-Downs Discussion Forum

lord_of_rohan2003 · 12-18-2003, 11:53 AM

Just a what if quetion,but what do you think if Denathor have met Frodo along his way to destroy the one ring?Do you think from the use of the Palinter he would of known about him having the one ring from Saraun somehow,and if so what would be his reaction?

Eomer of the Rohirrim · 12-18-2003, 12:39 PM

A rather strange 'what if' question as the two said characters' paths were never likely to cross. So you'll have to name a destination.

Would Denethor be randomly hanging out in Mordor? Or would Frodo have been, oh I don't know, captured by Faramir and taken to Minas Tirith? (heehee! like that would ever happen)

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lord_of_rohan2003 · 12-18-2003, 01:13 PM

Either way,Faramir taking him,Frodo going way off track,just use your imagination [img]smilies/smile.gif[/img]

Olorin_TLA · 12-18-2003, 05:14 PM

Denethor would have taken him to Minas Trith, and taken the Ring. [img]smilies/frown.gif[/img]

Knight of Gondor · 12-18-2003, 10:06 PM

I think Denethor wouldn't have needed the Palantir to discern that Frodo had the Ring. What he would have DONE with him is another story...though it's another one of those Tolkien moot questions. I am guessing he would at first make a small effort at reasoning, then simply take the Ring. Boromir tried to reason with Frodo, and even with himself, by telling him what excuses he could make.

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Lord Elrond · 12-19-2003, 09:41 AM

I agree with the Knight Denathor would have taken the ring and tried to use it and it would have corrupted him like it did his son Boromir. Denathor was proud and arrogant and would have thought he was powerful enough to use the ring just as he used the palantir and was broken by it.

rutslegolas · 02-12-2004, 12:16 AM

of course denethor would have taken the ring from frodo if frodo would have met him and he would have used it but would the ring ever corrupt or should i say take control of denethor because in denthor their was the blood of numenor , well can someone tell me the answer?

Eomer of the Rohirrim · 02-12-2004, 06:22 AM

There are numerous instances of Men with Numenorean blood being corrupted, by Sauron directly even, so I don't think that's a reason to argue that Denethor would not take the Ring.

Numenorean · 02-12-2004, 07:53 AM

Rutslegolas -

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but would the ring ever corrupt or should i say take control of denethor because in denthor their was the blood of numenor

I get the feeling Denethor would have been corrupted rather swiftly by direct possession of the Ring. His Númenorean blood was fairly diluted anyway, his good spiritual faith had long since waned in favour of power politics, and as Eomer stated there are many instances where Númenoreans - even at the height of their dominion and vigour - were corrupted by the lesser rings and tricksy words of Sauron the Deceiver.

Ellwyn · 02-19-2004, 02:17 PM

Denethor would be corrupted by the Ring, probably get into big fight with Frodo probably resulting in Frodo's imprisonment or death. Not unless Sam had anything to say about it though

Kransha · 02-19-2004, 04:29 PM

Sorta obvious, dont'cha think?

Yes, Denethor would take the Ring, but he might not use it to his own devices. He was under severe Palantir influence and the forces of evil could have continued the "dehabilitation" of the Steward to a point where he couldn't even figure out what to do with the Ring. Then, Denny might be convinced to just give up the Ring after being fully corrupted by both ring and palantir.

rutslegolas · 02-26-2004, 01:59 AM

no i do not think that if denethor had the ring he would be under the control of the dark lord as kransha says

i think if he had the ring the madness would'nt have possessed him and he would fight the seige of gondor himself.
and if all else would have failed he would have used the ring himself and then fight the siege and would have wrenched the palantir out of the dark lords control.
and then maybe perhaps he would have overthrown the dark lord.

thats just what i think maybe it is wrong.

ArathorofBarahir · 03-03-2004, 02:41 PM

Denethor would have taken Frodo to Minas Tirith, killed Gollum, taken the Ring and ME would have been destroyed.

bilbo_baggins · 03-05-2004, 11:18 AM

I think everyone is missing an important part! What if at this instant, of Denethor trying to take the Ring, Frodo is to claim the Ring and use it? What would happen then?

Boromir88 · 03-05-2004, 01:42 PM

Besides the pride and arrogance Denethor was a very wise man like his son Faramir. Boromir just cared about fighting and knew basically nothing about the ring. Faramir was wise in the lore so he was able to reject the ring. Denethor was also very wise and I believe for a while or short period of time Denethor would of resisted the ring. Of course this depending on the situation Gondor was upon the brink of destruction he might of done anything to save Gondor.

But, Denethor was more concerned about other things then the ring. He was worried about Gondor's fate and worried that this "Telcontar" would claim the throne of Gondor and "supplant" him. No, I think without the palantir Denethor would of known about the ring. His short talk with pippin he already figured out more then what pippin had said. He knew that when Gandalf the Grey died and his son Boromir hadn't led the fellowship there was someone else in the Fellowship that was from a nobler(don't even know if thats a word, but bear with me) background.

12-18-2003, 11:53 AM	#1
lord_of_rohan2003 Animated Skeleton Join Date: Dec 2003 Location: Rohan Posts: 50	If Frodo met Denathor.... Just a what if quetion,but what do you think if Denathor have met Frodo along his way to destroy the one ring?Do you think from the use of the Palinter he would of known about him having the one ring from Saraun somehow,and if so what would be his reaction?

12-18-2003, 12:39 PM	#2
Eomer of the Rohirrim Auspicious Wraith Join Date: May 2002 Location: The Netherlands Posts: 4,992	A rather strange 'what if' question as the two said characters' paths were never likely to cross. So you'll have to name a destination. Would Denethor be randomly hanging out in Mordor? Or would Frodo have been, oh I don't know, captured by Faramir and taken to Minas Tirith? (heehee! like that would ever happen) <font size=1 color=339966>[ 1:40 PM December 18, 2003: Message edited by: Eomer of the Rohirrim ] __________________ Los Ingobernables de Harlond

12-18-2003, 05:14 PM	#4
Olorin_TLA Shade of Carn Dûm Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: Gardens of Lórien, Valinor. Posts: 420	Denethor would have taken him to Minas Trith, and taken the Ring. [img]smilies/frown.gif[/img] __________________ "For I am Olórin! And Olórin means me!" ELENDIL! - Join "Forth Tolkiengas!"

12-19-2003, 09:41 AM	#6
Lord Elrond Animated Skeleton Join Date: Nov 2003 Location: Buffalo Posts: 38	I agree with the Knight Denathor would have taken the ring and tried to use it and it would have corrupted him like it did his son Boromir. Denathor was proud and arrogant and would have thought he was powerful enough to use the ring just as he used the palantir and was broken by it. __________________ "May the blessing of Elves, Men, and other free peoples go with you"

02-12-2004, 12:16 AM	#7
rutslegolas Ghost Prince of Cardolan Join Date: Jan 2004 Location: In Elven Lands of India Posts: 549	of course denethor would have taken the ring from frodo if frodo would have met him and he would have used it but would the ring ever corrupt or should i say take control of denethor because in denthor their was the blood of numenor , well can someone tell me the answer? __________________ If you can't dazzle them with brilliance, baffle them with the bull - The Phantom.

12-18-2003, 01:13 PM	#3
lord_of_rohan2003 Animated Skeleton Join Date: Dec 2003 Location: Rohan Posts: 50	Either way,Faramir taking him,Frodo going way off track,just use your imagination [img]smilies/smile.gif[/img]

02-12-2004, 06:22 AM	#8
Eomer of the Rohirrim Auspicious Wraith Join Date: May 2002 Location: The Netherlands Posts: 4,992	There are numerous instances of Men with Numenorean blood being corrupted, by Sauron directly even, so I don't think that's a reason to argue that Denethor would not take the Ring. __________________ Los Ingobernables de Harlond

02-19-2004, 02:17 PM	#10
Ellwyn Animated Skeleton Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: Wales Posts: 27	Denethor would be corrupted by the Ring, probably get into big fight with Frodo probably resulting in Frodo's imprisonment or death. Not unless Sam had anything to say about it though __________________ 'Too often have I heard of duty. But am I not of the House of Eorl, a shieldmaiden and not a dry-nurse? I have waited on faltering feet long enough. Since they falter no longer, it seems, may I not now spend my life as I will?' - Éowyn

02-19-2004, 04:29 PM	#11
Kransha Ubiquitous Urulóki Join Date: Jan 2004 Location: The port of Mars, where Famine, Sword, and Fire, leash'd in like hounds, crouch for employment Posts: 747	Sorta obvious, dont'cha think? Yes, Denethor would take the Ring, but he might not use it to his own devices. He was under severe Palantir influence and the forces of evil could have continued the "dehabilitation" of the Steward to a point where he couldn't even figure out what to do with the Ring. Then, Denny might be convinced to just give up the Ring after being fully corrupted by both ring and palantir. __________________ "What mortal feels not awe/Nor trembles at our name, Hearing our fate-appointed power sublime/Fixed by the eternal law. For old our office, and our fame," -Aeschylus, Song of the Furies

02-26-2004, 01:59 AM	#12
rutslegolas Ghost Prince of Cardolan Join Date: Jan 2004 Location: In Elven Lands of India Posts: 549	no i do not think that if denethor had the ring he would be under the control of the dark lord as kransha says i think if he had the ring the madness would'nt have possessed him and he would fight the seige of gondor himself. and if all else would have failed he would have used the ring himself and then fight the siege and would have wrenched the palantir out of the dark lords control. and then maybe perhaps he would have overthrown the dark lord. thats just what i think maybe it is wrong. __________________ If you can't dazzle them with brilliance, baffle them with the bull - The Phantom.

03-03-2004, 02:41 PM	#13
ArathorofBarahir Wight Join Date: Sep 2003 Location: Crickhallow Posts: 247	Denethor would have taken Frodo to Minas Tirith, killed Gollum, taken the Ring and ME would have been destroyed. __________________ King of the Dead: The dead do not suffer the living to pass. Aragorn: You will suffer me.

03-05-2004, 11:18 AM	#14
bilbo_baggins Shade of Carn Dûm Join Date: May 2003 Location: In my front hallway, grabbing my staff, about to head out my door Posts: 275	I think everyone is missing an important part! What if at this instant, of Denethor trying to take the Ring, Frodo is to claim the Ring and use it? What would happen then? __________________ "For with much wisdom comes much sorrow, and with more knowledge comes more grief."

03-05-2004, 01:42 PM	#15
Boromir88 Laconic Loreman Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: USA Posts: 7,559	Denethor Besides the pride and arrogance Denethor was a very wise man like his son Faramir. Boromir just cared about fighting and knew basically nothing about the ring. Faramir was wise in the lore so he was able to reject the ring. Denethor was also very wise and I believe for a while or short period of time Denethor would of resisted the ring. Of course this depending on the situation Gondor was upon the brink of destruction he might of done anything to save Gondor. But, Denethor was more concerned about other things then the ring. He was worried about Gondor's fate and worried that this "Telcontar" would claim the throne of Gondor and "supplant" him. No, I think without the palantir Denethor would of known about the ring. His short talk with pippin he already figured out more then what pippin had said. He knew that when Gandalf the Grey died and his son Boromir hadn't led the fellowship there was someone else in the Fellowship that was from a nobler(don't even know if thats a word, but bear with me) background.