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Old 12-22-2003, 07:50 PM   #41
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That is true, all i was saying was that you can live to 142 and not be immortal. Hobbits live longer than men, but no one would say they were immortal.
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Old 12-23-2003, 08:46 AM   #42
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True, but to even none fo them lived to be 142...and to have your lifespan be longer than non-corrupted Men would be wierd if you are a corrupted man. It's a tough topic.
142 could still be Men-corruption, but if Gorbag relally did live to 500...well, I'd have to see the proof of that first.
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Old 12-23-2003, 09:17 AM   #43
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"What is kinda remarkable is that Gorbag was slain in 3019 (III), at the age of more then 500 years, which would suggest his immortality. He was an Uruk-hai, so he was a later breed of orc."


Mariska, could you tell me the source for Gorbag's age? I haven't been able to find it.
I have found this information in the Encyclopedia of Arda. I find the info on that site to be very accurate.

here it is

<font size=1 color=339966>[ 10:27 AM December 23, 2003: Message edited by: Mariska Greenleaf ]
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Old 12-24-2003, 10:04 AM   #44
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Oh yes, I saw that the Encyclopedia said it, and I agree that it's accurate, but even the ENcyclopedia must ahve a source...and I can't help wondering if that age was an undecided or discarded idea by Tolkien.
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Old 12-24-2003, 02:27 PM   #45
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Yeah, you're right, the Encyclopedia must have a source, and personally I don't doubt the info they give is correct, but I think I'll try to find out more about it anyway. Tolkien must have wrote something about this...
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Old 12-24-2003, 11:32 PM   #46
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True, but to even none fo them lived to be 142...and to have your lifespan be longer than non-corrupted Men would be wierd if you are a corrupted man.
yes, and this is one of the reasons that i believe that orcs are immortal, and bred from elves. Otherwise, why would what saruman did (mix orcs with men to make the goblin-men) be so horrible? And yes, someone else said that first on this site, but it is a good reason.
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