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Old 03-22-2004, 11:30 AM   #201
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Ok, lets try this...
What is the relationship between Thorin II and Gimli?
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Old 03-22-2004, 12:14 PM   #202
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third cousins, once removed.
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Old 03-23-2004, 12:19 AM   #203
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Yup.
(Now I understand the removed thingy )
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Old 03-23-2004, 07:18 AM   #204
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What is Hathol to Arwen?
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Old 03-23-2004, 07:42 AM   #205
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Hathol is Arwen's great great great great great grandfather.
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Old 03-23-2004, 07:49 PM   #206
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Yep, Nightknight...your spin
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Old 03-24-2004, 01:32 AM   #207
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I happen to know Arwen's family tree quite a way back.

Anyway, what was Celebrimbor to Elrond?
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Old 03-24-2004, 03:12 AM   #208
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I don't have the family tree right now, but I'll give it a shot: second cousin, once removed?
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Old 03-24-2004, 02:41 PM   #209
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second cousins, twice removed?
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Old 03-24-2004, 08:45 PM   #210
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or third cousins, in-law
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Old 03-25-2004, 11:48 AM   #211
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Luthien, could you explain that?
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Old 03-25-2004, 06:19 PM   #212
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Give both ways that Trin and Tuor were related.
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Old 03-25-2004, 06:42 PM   #213
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Turin's maternal grandfather was Tuor's maternal grandfather's brother; their fathers were brothers.
So, you could say that they were first and second cousins.
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Old 03-25-2004, 06:51 PM   #214
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Old 03-26-2004, 07:35 AM   #215
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Luthien, could you expain that?
Elrond was married to Celebrian. Celebrian and Celebrimbor were third cousins. (or half cousins).
Finwe>Feanor>Curufin>Celebrimbor.
Finwe>Finarfin>Galadriel>Celebrian (married to Elrond).
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Old 03-27-2004, 05:49 AM   #216
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Ah, yes. Now I see. Thanks.
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Old 03-27-2004, 02:01 PM   #217
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Serinde's husband's son's daughter's son's lover's friend was the ancestor of _______.
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Old 03-27-2004, 03:05 PM   #218
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I'm thinking either Galador, the first Lord of Amroth, or further down the line and more debatable...Imrahil. Here is my line of thinking:

Serinde married Finw, who's son was Finarafin, who's daughter was Galadriel. Now it has been proposed that Amroth was Galadriel and Celeborn's son (some controversy over that, but some places do claim it). Amroth's "lover" was Nimrodel, who had Mithrellas as a friend and maiden. Mithrellas, in turn, bore Galador. There are two proposed heritages of the Princes of Dol Amroth, and lineage from Galador is one of them. If that is the case, then Mithrellas would also be an ancestor of Imrahil.

Or, it could be that I am completely off on all accounts.
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Old 03-27-2004, 03:23 PM   #219
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It's the former; any one in the line of Dol Amroth would do. Go ahead!
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Old 03-28-2004, 07:14 AM   #220
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Thanks, symestreem.

Her brother's grandson's wife's grandmother sang for Morgoth.
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Old 03-28-2004, 09:36 AM   #221
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This is like one of those backwards arithmetic problems...
Is it Aredhel?
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Old 03-28-2004, 09:49 AM   #222
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symestreem, if the answer is Aredhel, then it would be Luthien who sung for Morgoth. I know she sung for Mandos, but i don't recall her singing for Morgoth. If she did, i must reread, but otherwise, it's wrong.....i think.
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Symestreem is right. Here is the passage:

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[Luthien] was not daunted by his eyes; and she named her own name, and offered her service to sing before him, after the manner of a minstrel....Then suddenly she eluded his sight, and out of the shadows began a song of such surpassing loveliness, and of such blinding power, that he listened perforce; and a blindness came upon him, as his eyes roamed to and fro, seeking her.
She did indeed sing for Morgoth. She sang so powerfully that she was able to lull him into a dream.
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Old 03-28-2004, 10:07 AM   #224
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Oh right! I was un aware how she got Morgoth into a deep slumber! Sorry! But she did sing for Mandos! So i get 1/2 points for that!
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What was Chica Chubb's father-in-law's youngest brother's eldest grandson's wife's mother's mother's maiden name?
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Adamanta Chubb?
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Old 04-01-2004, 01:01 PM   #227
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Who was Tuor's wife's mother's father-in-law's younger brother's youngest son?
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Tricksy, NightKnight!
Is it Aegnor?
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Old 04-02-2004, 03:52 AM   #230
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'Tis indeed. And I like being tricksy.
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Olwe's sister-in-law's son-in-law's father's elder nephew's daughter's cousin's husband's younger uncle's grandson was _______.


It seems that on these family trees, the eldest sibling is the farthest left. The youngest is on the far right.
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Brandir the Lame.
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Old 04-05-2004, 05:19 PM   #233
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Yes.
These family trees are so twisted. Turin killed his something-cousin, and Brandir wanted to marry his.
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Old 04-06-2004, 08:15 AM   #234
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Hobbit Family Trees!

Holman Cotton's first grandson's wife's youngest brother's sixth child's father-in-law's aunt's husband's father's youngest daughter's grandfather-in-law's oldest brother's fourth child's son.

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Old 04-06-2004, 08:30 AM   #235
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I'm probably way off, but...Odo Brownfoot?
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Old 04-06-2004, 08:45 AM   #236
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Do you mean "Odo Proudfoot?" I don't know of any "Brownfoots", but Odo Proudfoot is correct.
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Old 04-07-2004, 03:01 AM   #237
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Well, sorry about that. It's difficult with norwegian names for those hobbits. A lot of weird translations. Well anyway...

Frodo Baggins's mother's oldest brother's son's wife's grandfather's wife's father's youngest brother's great grandson is...

I liked these family trees.
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Old 04-07-2004, 07:51 AM   #239
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