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10-17-2008, 09:53 AM | #1 |
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Cockney Orcs
Our friends outside the UK maybe wondering what I'm on about, and therefore I offer my apologies at the outset.
Anyway, in The Two Towers and ROTK, there were a couple of scenes with orcs and/or Uruks speaking to each other in heavy Cockney accents! I know this is only a very small, trivial point, but as soon as I heard them my view of them totally changed. All of a sudden I was thinking "Eastenders" and Phil Mitchell saying "wossall this then!! you 'aving a larrff? gerr'ourrrt myyyy parrrb you slaggg!" And so it was with these Orcs. I was just waiting for one of them to start singing "knees up, mother Brown!" while immitating Pearly Kings down the Old Kent Road! To be honest I absolutely piddled myself everytime they spoke because I just couldn't take them seriously anymore, gov'nor! This is just a pointless little observation that has been bothering me for years. I will now go back to sleep
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10-17-2008, 10:26 AM | #2 | |
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There's an interesting bit in Brian Rosebury's book, Tolkien, A Cultural Phenomenon, regarding Orc's speech patterns:
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10-17-2008, 04:20 PM | #3 |
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Maybe they picked them up from the Trolls!
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10-18-2008, 07:23 AM | #4 |
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Actually, I never considered the guttural speech patterns of Orcs to be Cockney. Compare the accents of the Trolls in The Hobbit and any speech of Orcs in LotR (or the Goblin King in The Hobbit, for that matter). The Troll's speech is far more reminiscent of Cockney than the Orcs.
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10-21-2008, 02:07 PM | #5 | |
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I always found those cockney Orcs in the film quite amusing myself. I know I ought not to but...they were funny.
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Tolkien might have spoken very 'far back' and been an academic but it does not mean he had any prejudice against accents. Far from it, he seems to have delighted in them, and one of his biggest influences was his tutor Joseph Wright, an expert in dialects. Here's a snippet about him if you haven't heard of him before, a truly fascinating figure: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Joseph_Wright_(linguist)
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10-27-2008, 02:44 PM | #6 |
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Lor luv a duck Diane C I had a giraffe, I had to run up the apples and pears to the spotty dog for a jimmy riddle. Seriously, having lived amonsgt the Cockney Orcs for 17yrs, I instanstly recognised the accent, at least it wasn't Dick van Dyke-ish "Maree Poppinsh". The other accent that stands out is Hama at the doors of Meduseld, I wouldn't want to meet him at a night club door.
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06-02-2010, 02:04 PM | #7 |
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Either Merry or Pippin (I can never tell the difference in the movie until Gandalf splits 'em up) has a Scottish accent-ish thing. That really bothered me. But I really wondered: narfforc, could you please translate your post for the benefit of we poor rural people?
I seriously thought that the orcs were talking with their mouths full, or something, because I didnt have a clue what they were saying without the subtitles. Thank you all, for clarifying that.
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08-30-2010, 04:12 AM | #9 |
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I know that accents the real world is a shortcut to God to give us a place to hang our prejudices and stereo types about it, and can only hope, as the cheeky cockney Chippies not mind the comparison.
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