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Old 07-23-2002, 08:48 PM   #1
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Laketown, was that just a seperate place, like Bree, or was it part of someplace, like gondor
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Old 07-23-2002, 09:23 PM   #2
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First, welcome to the Downs.

Second, here is a link to an exceedingly helpful site where you can fill in your knowledge of Tolkien characters, places, wars, etc., etc.

"The Encyclopedia of Arda" '

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Old 07-23-2002, 09:47 PM   #3
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Hello Steve (That's a fine, Hobbit name!)

Lake-Town (or Esgaroth) was a town founded by Men after their earlier town of Dale was destroyed by the dragon Smaug. Tyler in "The Tolkien Companion" calls it a "city-state", but I think she is being kind.

It seems these Men had no country, per se, but had settled in the Dwarf Kingdom of Erebor, which included the Lonely Mountain and the surrounding countryside. (They were self governed though, not ruled by the dwarves.) I suppose you could consider the Kingdom of Erebor to be a part of the Wilderland, though the map I have is kinda vague.

To make matters more confusing, after the events in The Hobbit, The town of Dale was rebuilt and Bard and his heirs became the "Kings of Dale." I never thought that a Town could be considered a Kingdom, but there it is.
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Old 07-24-2002, 12:29 AM   #4
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Like the name! At first, I thought it was a place like Bree, but now I'm not sure. Have you read the books? They would be a big help! Welcome to the Downs! Enjoy being dead. "May your rest be long and peaceful..."
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Old 07-24-2002, 08:37 AM   #5
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When the Dwarves and Bilbo are heading for the Mountain, don't they pass through the countryside of Dale? I think Dale might have been a small kingdom unto itself that traded between the Dwarves of the Lonely Mountain and the outside world. That would mean Esgaroth is the survivors of Dale.
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Old 07-24-2002, 09:09 AM   #6
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That would mean Esgaroth is the survivors of Dale.
Yes and no. Yes, the survivors of Dale (such as there were) went to Laketown. However, the town had been there from a long time before.

Dale was not a kingdom before Bard. The rulers are referred to as "lords of Dale." While they were not directly ruled by the Dwarves, a certain dependency of the Men to the Dwarves seems to have tacitly existed. That was the usual way of things whenever Men were living near the kingdoms of Dwarves. The Dwarves seemed to like taking something of a mild hegemony over their human neighbors.
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Old 07-24-2002, 09:42 AM   #7
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thanks, i know im askin stupid Qs but im just trying to get my informcation percise, and askin it is alot easier then goin back through all the books again to find it
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