What New Evils Was Sauron Forging?

[Sardy]

During the Council of Elrond, Boromir states that, "the nameless enemy has arisen once again. Smoke rises once more from Orodruin that we call Mount Doom."

Was Sauron up to new tricks? Forging new rings, perhaps? Possibly Saruman's ring was tied to the new works in Mt. Doom? Or the rings "like those of old" promised to the swaves of Dale?

[yavanna II]

He never made more Rings. Indeed Sauron made only one--the One Ring that Frodo destroyed. The Seven and the Nine and the Three were all made by Celebrimbor, a descendant of Feanor. The Seven and the Nine were made with Annatar's help; the Three Celebrimbor made himself without Annatar knowing. The seven and the Three were given by Sauron to Dwarves and Men, but the Three were hidden and dispersed to Gilgalad, Galadriel, and Cirdan, and eventually Elrond, Galadriel, and Gandalf. Sauron suspected them, but since they never used the rings (or so i think) he never was sure.

According to Wiki:

When Sauron chose the land of Mordor as his dwelling-place in the Second Age, Orodruin was the reason for his choice. He 'used the fire that welled there from the heart of the earth in his sorceries and his forging.' The most famous result of his forging, and in fact the only one we know of for sure, was the One Ring.

Orodruin was far more than a natural volcano - Sauron seems to have extended his own power into it, and was able to control its fires. It seems to have lain dormant when Sauron was away from Mordor, and sprung into life when his power grew.

[A_Brandybuck]

In my opinion, Sauron used the Orodruin first as a psychological weapon. A mountain, which spread fire, ashes, darkness was surely a uncertainty for the people of Gondor. It is the only one in the known world and always connected with the evil and with the darkness of the Enemy.

And maybe he prepared his 'assault of darkness', which came just before the Battle of the Pelennor with these eruptions.

[Lalwendë]

Firstly, Saruman made his own ring of power independently, using his extensive knowledge of Ring Lore to create it. By doing this he hoped to operate as an independent force in Middle-earth; it was Saruman's 'Third Way', as he hoped this would place him not on the side of Light, but also not on the side of Sauron.

The darkness which accompanied Sauron's forces into Gondor must have been produced by Mount Doom, and is possibly a good reason for him 'firing it up' again; I often wonder if that darkness was as a result of pyroclastic flow, as it sounds in some ways very similar to the volcanic effects seen at Pompeii and other famous volcanic eruptions.

Now there's another question in that did Sauron 'control' Mount Doom in any way? Or did he return only once it had begun to be active again? Or was his return the catalyst in its becoming active once more? Sorry, that was actually three questions...

[Sardy]

Originally Posted by Lalwendë

Firstly, Saruman made his own ring of power independently...

While that can be argued, I don't believe that we know this for certain. After all, he was in communication and cahoots with Sauron.

[narfforc]

There is no evidence to say Sauron helped Saruman or not, the only thing we know is that Saruman say's: For I am Saruman the Wise, Saruman Ring-maker , and he was'nt advertising as a jeweller.

[alatar]

Originally Posted by Lalwendë

The darkness which accompanied Sauron's forces into Gondor must have been produced by Mount Doom, and is possibly a good reason for him 'firing it up' again; I often wonder if that darkness was as a result of pyroclastic flow, as it sounds in some ways very similar to the volcanic effects seen at Pompeii and other famous volcanic eruptions.

That may have been a little much; having Minas Tirith looking like post-eruption Pompeii would certainly decrease its real estate value. Plus, Sauron was looking for slaves to oppress, and corpses are just no fun.

I would agree however that he was twiddling with Mount Doom to create smokes and vapors for the upcoming war. The smog that Sauron releases for the Battle of the Pelennor fields not only blotted out the sun (aiding his folk who forgot their sunscreen and parasols) but also contained some poison for the psyche, making men needlessly despair.

And wasn't the Dark Plague hatched inside Orodruin, or am I reading too much into that?

[Lalwendë]

I think one of the most essential aspects to Saruman's character was his sense of independence, even if in the end this was an illusion as he had been trapped from looking into the palantir. Each of the Istari came to Middle-earth with the mission to help overturn Sauron and each had his own way of achieving this end. Saruman chose to do this by exercising what was obviously an incredible intellect. He believed that his Ring Lore would be vital in achieving this end.

Even once he was 'caught' by Sauron, he may have truly believed that he was in the right by seekng to use his intellect and challenge Sauron. The joke on him at the end (or is it a tragedy?) is that Sauron fooled him; there never would have been an opportunity for Saruman to truly challenge Sauron and try another way.

It's still interesting to think whether Sauron taught him how to make his own Ring of Power, but I think that Saruman trying to make it of his own volition is more appropriate to his character.

Originally Posted by alatar

That may have been a little much; having Minas Tirith looking like post-eruption Pompeii would certainly decrease its real estate value. Plus, Sauron was looking for slaves to oppress, and corpses are just no fun.

I would agree however that he was twiddling with Mount Doom to create smokes and vapors for the upcoming war. The smog that Sauon releases for the Battle of the Pelennor fields not only blotted out the sun (aiding his folk who forgot their sunscreen and parasols) but also contained some poison for the psyche, making men needlessly despair.

It does also bring to mind the 'nuclear winter' type effects which have been seen following massive volcanic eruptions. There was one in the Dark Ages (one of the Pacific Rim volcanoes) which resulted in massive crop failure and the Sun being blotted out for a long time in Europe. Maybe that 'poison' was partly due to sulphur and other noxious gases in the air?

[alatar]

Originally Posted by Lalwendë

It does also bring to mind the 'nuclear winter' type effects which have been seen following massive volcanic eruptions. There was one in the Dark Ages (one of the Pacific Rim volcanoes) which resulted in massive crop failure and the Sun being blotted out for a long time in Europe. Maybe that 'poison' was partly due to sulphur and other noxious gases in the air?

This might sound odd, coming from me, but that might be a little too scientific . And the lack of oxygen, decreased by the increased levels of other gases released into the atmosphere, would not only make some despair but others downright giddy and slaphappy. Maybe this oxygen-deprivation affected the Witch-King's thinking, allowing him to be delusional enough to take on a maia, mano a mano.

"Is that a Balrog painted the White Wizard's sword hilt? Nah, cannot be. Why, he's only three feet tall and sitting on a white poofy rabbit...I can take him..."

And just who thought it a good idea to build downwind from one of the few (if not only) active volcanoes in the region?

[Smaug]

What we see when great multitudes of smoke start to drift out of Mount Doom during the War of the Ring, is another classic example of an evil conception on Sauron's part. This is a slightly re-occurring theme, since Melkor did the exact same thing when he was being assailed in his fortress of Angband by the forces of Fëanor. It can be viewed as an attempt to strike fear into the opponent (a physiological weapon as A_Brandybuck rightly mentioned) and to act as a smoke screen to avoid the eyes of spies and as a way for the armies of Mordor to enter and leave the Black Land undetected so as to gain an upper-advantage on the enemy who would be at unawares. Maybe the fires of Orodruin were in great tumult as they were being utilised as a source of developing Sauron's armies (e.g. making armour and weaponry with the fires it provided).

[Boromir88]

While that can be argued, I don't believe that we know this for certain. After all, he was in communication and cahoots with Sauron.~Sardy

I am going to side with Lal here and say that there is actually much evidence to show Saruman was planning something more than just being Sauron's puppet. Now Sauron had Saruman right where he wanted and was using Saruman to further his own plans, but Saruman believed he by doing this he would be in control and be able to Rule and Order:

A new power is rising. Against it the old allies and policies will not avail us at all. There is no hope left in Elves or dying Numenor. This then is one choice before you, before us. We may join with that Power. It would be wise, Gandalf. There is hope that way. Its victory is at hand, and there will be rich reward for those that aided it. As the Power grows, its proved friends will also grow; and the Wise, such as you and I, may with patience come at last to direct its courses, to control it. We can bid our time, we can keep our thoughts in our hearts, deploring maybe evils done by the way, but approving the high and ultimate purpose: Knowledge; Rule; Order; all the things that we have so far striven in vain to accomplish, hindered rather than helped by our weak or idle friends. There need not be, there would not be, any change in our designs, only in our means.~The Council of Elrond

Saruman believes that their task and why they were sent to Middle-earth can be completed, they just need to change their tactics so to say. Saruman is the perfect example of the "ends and means," kind of like does the means justify the end. Saruman thinks, oh well if we have to do and commit evil along the way, no biggy, our ultimate purpose and our reason sent to ME will be completed. Saruman thinks he's setting Sauron up, when in fact he's just fooled and turned down the wrong path.

Now I guess onto the question. Can the quote be taken more symbolically? As in if "there's smoke rising" meaning actions stirred up in Mordor again? Perhaps it's more of a metaphorical thing...or maybe both. There's actual physical smoke and then the though of Mordor is rebuilding, Sauron is back and is stirring up again.

[dancing spawn of ungoliant]

I like looking the Middle-earth's biological and geographical phenomenons from a scientific point of view. In a way it makes Arda feel more real if its laws of nature even occasionally correspond with ours. But still, it's a world where eagles can carry people and dead men can be summoned to a war, so many things are explained by the fact that it is a story.

Lalwendë brought up a question (or three of them ) about Sauron's controll over Orodruin. I think Mount Doom starting to act up again was more due to the kind of magic that you see in Middle-earth than what Sauron would physically have done to the mountain. Also, as has already been mentioned, the active volcano was one sort of a weapon. I think the volcanic fumes that it belched were intentional and useful by themselves rather than byproducts of something Sauron was doing by using the mountain or just a convenient coincidence.

Originally Posted by Smaug

Maybe the fires of Orodruin were in great tumult as they were being utilised as a source of developing Sauron's armies (e.g. making armour and weaponry with the fires it provided).

From what I've read, I think that Mount Doom was a composite volcano of some sort. Its lava was rhyolitic ie. it contained a lot of oxidants (SiO2), its temperature was between 600 and 900 celsius degrees and hence it wasn't very runny. Such lava could easily block its eruption channel causing the pressure inside a volcano to grow. Therefore the volcano could erupt explosively throwing huge hot clouds of ash, lava, rocks and gases in the air.

If Sauron would have made other ways to channel lava out of the mountain, I think it would rather have had a soothing than upsetting effect on the volcano.

A volcano like Mount Doom could easily have caused something to the effect of nuclear winter. However, in real life small particles that a volcano has emitted can stay up in the stratosphere absorbing and reflecting the sunlight even for years making the temperatures drop world-wide. If the darkness that Sauron conjured up had been purely something like that, would 1420 have been such a wonderful year in the Shire?