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Old 12-26-2004, 06:27 AM   #1
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Learn Elvish?

Hey, I'm new to these forums,
I'm a big Tolkien fan ( no really ) and I'd love to learn Elvish, but where can I learn it?
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Old 12-26-2004, 12:14 PM   #2
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Welcome to the Downs Finwe-89!

Here are a few threads on the topic, (which you can find by using the search function): Learning Elvish. I suppose though, that the best source you can use for learning Elvish or familiarize yourself with the languages of Middle-earth is Ardalambion, which provides wordlists, grammar etc.

Hope you enjoy yourself here!
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Old 12-27-2004, 03:50 PM   #3
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Tnx man

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Btw, the first site is down, and I don't really know how the other site works, more stories then learing words, can you help me out? Plz?

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Old 12-27-2004, 04:49 PM   #4
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Hm, that's odd...

Anyway, here are a few links, or threads, with the same topic on the Barrowdowns:

Learning Elvish
Elvish Languages
Another Learn Elvish.

Anyhow, all the threads are referring to Ardalambion. If you scroll down just a bit on the front page (Ardalambion), you'll see that the different languages are listed. Quenya and Sindarin are the most complete (correct me if I am wrong anyone) elven languages; there is even a Quenya Course (Just press this link, or the link on the site).

I hope that was somewhat helpful.
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Old 12-27-2004, 05:43 PM   #5
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1420!

It just depends whether you want to learn the Elvish languages Tolkien created (Quenya, Sindarin), or just some Elvish junk that someone else made up. Nov's, posted the threads down however.

I will recommend Ruth S. Noel's book The Languages of Tolkien's Middle-earth. It deals with all 14 languages Tolkien created.
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Old 12-27-2004, 10:45 PM   #6
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Ai, suilad a mae govannen, Finwe! Anirach ista Edhellen?

Oh, and welcome to the Barrow-Downs, too.

Well, here are some very nice-and-useful sites for the beginning Elven scholar:

~Ardalambion, as has been stated above.
~The Fellowship of the Word-Smiths; a lovely site with info on Quenya, Sindarin, and the Tengwar alphabet.
~Sindarin Dictionary; if it is Sindarin you are interested in, this place has downloads of a dictionary and a search option (only 800 hits are allowed total each day, however).
~Quenya Names; just for fun, you can look up your name and find the Quenyan translation.

Also at Council of Elrond (lurvely site) there is a Sindarin course based on the text at Ardalambion; it's very useful and I recommend you check it out. Have fun!

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Old 12-28-2004, 04:08 AM   #7
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I'll link here a Quenya course from Ardalambion. If you're into Quenya, the course is probably the best way to learn the language. It's long but thorough-going and additional exercises help you to understand the grammar. I've studied only the first three "lessons" of it but I can really recommend it. You might want to check the old threads as well. Good luck!
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Old 12-28-2004, 05:24 AM   #8
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Wow tnx all! Thank you guys a lot!

Edit:

Damn it's very hard to learn Quenya, I thought it was going to get a lot easier then this! I just want to learn words so I can combine those to say lines

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Old 12-28-2004, 05:42 PM   #9
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Actually, I would not recommend that book by Ruth S. Noel. I've heard it isn't so correct in everything. Ardalambion is the best source I know of.

And personally I think Sindarin is much harder to learn than Quenya.
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Old 12-29-2004, 06:06 AM   #10
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Haha if you say so
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Old 12-29-2004, 06:03 PM   #11
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Welcome to the Downs, Finwe-89! Hope you enjoy being dead!
As the elvish languages are made up, you cannot become fluent in them.
I enjoy www.councilofelrond.com. They have phrases and such that you can memorize. Fun stuff!

http://www.councilofelrond.com/modul...wContent&cid=9
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Old 12-30-2004, 08:40 AM   #12
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How do you know I'm dead?! How did you discover it?! :P Btw hannad ( tnx in Elvish ) for the link!
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Old 12-30-2004, 06:17 PM   #13
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Pipe You are welcome!

I saw it under your name Finwe. We are all dead! Hahahahaha!!!
(I`ll shut up now.)

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Old 12-31-2004, 03:56 PM   #14
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Haha ok that explains it :P
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Old 02-05-2005, 12:45 AM   #15
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Silmaril i don't get it

i don't get it am i doing this right im new
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Old 02-05-2005, 02:50 PM   #16
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Welcome to the 'Downs, lotrknight! As for "doing it right", to what do you refer?

On topic (or at least slightly), I like the Council of Elrond's Elvish tutorial whatcha-ma-call-it. Thing.

Very Pippinesque.

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That Council of Elrond thing was LOVELY!
And I can really recommend The Quenya Course of Ardalambion - it's great and you learn very much. It's also very easy to understand - even for me nad I'm not a native english-speaker!
btw - it's so funny how difficult it is for you english-speakers to pronounce elvish - it's usually so easy for me as a finnish-speaker. Hail Tolkien!
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Old 03-21-2005, 11:28 PM   #18
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Hi i am new around these parts... well i have kinda been lurking around i have tried to learn elvish but it is a mighty hard task... it is easier when you use elvish to write English... but to learn elvish words for things (i.e trees... orange...ect) is *very* Hard!! Help!!

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Old 03-23-2005, 10:23 PM   #19
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As the elvish languages are made up, you cannot become fluent in them. [/url]
Not entirely true. Tolkien didn't just "make it up", it was well structured just like any modern language today. The fact that Tolkien was only one man meant he couldn't make an entire dictionary of words in one lifetime. But in what elvish does exist we can still become fluent. We can probably have general convresations with it.

Btw, Ardalambion rocks! It is the best site ever for learning elvish and everything about Tolkien's languages!! I'm going very steady, I'm only learning basic pronounciation at the moment...it's so much fun!!!
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Old 03-24-2005, 03:23 AM   #20
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Hehehehe i suppose so dragon reborn... you are right about two things. firstly Tolkien didn't leave a dictionary behind and secondly pronouncation is very much of fun (indeedy-doo) its easier for me though because i know a bit of french and i had to practice saying circumflexes and diresses and accents like acute and grav and in my language sounds are similar...

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Old 03-28-2005, 10:16 PM   #21
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Ring Here is a lovely site...

There is a wonderful site where I learned most of my sindarin.
Taramiluiel Home

This site features a HUGE Sindarin phrasebook, as well as MANY, MANY songs translated into Sindarin. My signature was written by her. It's a great site, you really should try it.
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1420!

you been to the OB files? there's a "learn Elvish" link to a fancy schmancy loTR site where it teaches you some elvish.

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Hey, I'm new to these forums,
I'm a big Tolkien fan ( no really ) and I'd love to learn Elvish, but where can I learn it?
heya darlin, elvish is such a cool language, and im am incredibly new to this site.... but if you are still looking to learn... inthe novices and newcomers section.. theres aforum called learn quenya on barrow downs.... thats what im using...sounds quite good.... plus i'd suggest learning quenya before attempting sindarin just because its a more commanly used language..... hope this is some help
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