Aragorn and his issues - The Barrow-Downs Discussion Forum

Anorien · 07-22-2002, 10:21 PM

Alright, how did Gandalf and Aragorn know each other? And why was his choice exile? Why did he roam the woods as a Ranger, instead of taking up his right place as King? Did he not have enough confidence in his self? And, sorry just one more, could someone explain the whole him and Arwen deal? Where did they meet, how long had they known each other, and why did he leave her to go to the Shire????
Thanks all.

Lady_Galadriel · 07-22-2002, 10:29 PM

As much as I hate to admit it, I don't know the answers to most of those questions myself... In fact I was pondering some of them just this morning. Well there is one question I can answer. If you read the tale of aragorn and arwen in appendix a of rotk, it explains how aragorn and arwen met and alot of other things about them.

Aragorn and arwen met when he was walking in the woods, though he thought she was tinuviel at the time. But soon he found who she was.

I'm sorry if what i said does not make much sense, and does not help much, but it;s hard to explain. Reading it helps alot....

Anorien · 07-22-2002, 10:32 PM

Thanks a bunch, I'll look at the appendix, I just was hoping someone here would have the answers off the top of their heads, ya know?? As for Gandalf and Aragorn, how did they know each other???

Tarthang · 07-22-2002, 11:42 PM

Off the top of my head, YES! Gandalf and Aragorn knew each other. Not off the top of my head, nor where to find the answer, but I would say they met in Rivendel and that Gandalf was aware of Aragorn way before Aragorn was aware of Gandalf. Most of the answers to these questions can be found by READING LOTR.

*Varda* · 07-23-2002, 03:30 AM

Anorien - have you read the books? (it's not an insult or anything, just a question). If you do you'll find many answers in there.

I'm pretty sure Aragorn and Gandalf met - although Gandalf will already have known about Aragorn being Isildur's Heir and all that. As for when they met, i'm sure it's written somewhere but I don't really remember. In Appendix B it says they met in 2956 T.A. about 60 years before the Quest begins but not in what circumstances..that's going to annoy me now i'll have to go look it up.

Aldagrim Proudfoot · 07-23-2002, 08:05 AM

He didn't takew his rightful place as King because it wasn't time yet. Not all the conditions were right.

The Silver-shod Muse · 07-23-2002, 10:22 AM

I'm fairly certain that the reason Aragorn went wandering instead of staying in Rivendell with his adopted elven-family was that he was trying to win over Elrond and had to prove that he was good enough for Arwen. Also, the timing did have a lot to do with it. Elrond probably had some kind of foresight that allowed him to make choices with results that would come into play at the right time and place.

[ July 23, 2002: Message edited by: The Silver-shod Muse ]

O'Boile · 07-23-2002, 10:48 AM

Aragorn was not exiled... he was from the northern kingdom or Arnour (I think that is how it is spelled). That kingdom was conquered roughly around the time that the last king of Gondor died and the stewards took up the scepter. The reason he was wandering is because he is a ranger (the dunedain of the north). As heir to the northern kingdom, he was their cheiftan. In order for him to be king, he would have to be accepted by Gondor (there are issues with choosing an heir in the past... read the appendix, it is in there). So, he is the rightful heir cause he is a descendant of Isildur, but he is not a descendant of the last king of Gondor (he had no descendants, otherwise they would have been king). He actually serves in Gondor earlier in his life as a captain to the steward Ecthelion. He went by the name Thorongil at that time.

Sweatpea Knotwise · 07-23-2002, 01:01 PM

Aragorn and Gandalf were close friends; it was Aragorn who caught Gollum for Gandalf to question. The circumstances of their first meeting is unknown to me, but by my calculations, they had been friends for 62 years by the time Aragorn met Frodo.

Aragorn wasn’t just wandering about.

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…he laboured in the cause against Sauron…. He went in many guises, and won renown under many names…. He rode in the host of the Rohirrim, and fought for the lord of Gondor by land and by sea…. and went alone far into the East and deep into the South, exploring the hearts of Men, both evil and good, and uncovering the plots and devices of the servants of Sauron.

No other man could have done as much in the fight against the Dark Lord.

For the tale of Aragorn and Arwen read ROTK, appendix A, part five.

[ July 23, 2002: Message edited by: Sweatpea Knotwise ]

Anorien · 07-23-2002, 01:05 PM

I would like to imform everyone that I have read the books, yes. Just not the unfinnished Tales, as of yet. I'm working on that one

Sweatpea Knotwise · 07-23-2002, 01:13 PM

Anorien, that's more than I've done. I have only read The Hobbit, LOTR and gotten halfway through Silmarillion. [img]smilies/smile.gif[/img]

[ July 23, 2002: Message edited by: Sweatpea Knotwise ]

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07-22-2002, 10:21 PM	#1
Anorien Wight Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: The Old Navy of Rohan Posts: 138	Aragorn and his issues Alright, how did Gandalf and Aragorn know each other? And why was his choice exile? Why did he roam the woods as a Ranger, instead of taking up his right place as King? Did he not have enough confidence in his self? And, sorry just one more, could someone explain the whole him and Arwen deal? Where did they meet, how long had they known each other, and why did he leave her to go to the Shire???? Thanks all. __________________ FRODO: all low and retarded Oh Mr. Frodo, do you have any more food? Here eat mine, I’m so fat. How about I carry the ring for you. It’s soooo pretty, I mean heavy! SAM: Why you little-! FRODO: You asked for it!

07-22-2002, 10:29 PM	#2
Lady_Galadriel Wight Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: The Shire, Hobbiton, Middle Earth Posts: 135	As much as I hate to admit it, I don't know the answers to most of those questions myself... In fact I was pondering some of them just this morning. Well there is one question I can answer. If you read the tale of aragorn and arwen in appendix a of rotk, it explains how aragorn and arwen met and alot of other things about them. Aragorn and arwen met when he was walking in the woods, though he thought she was tinuviel at the time. But soon he found who she was. I'm sorry if what i said does not make much sense, and does not help much, but it;s hard to explain. Reading it helps alot.... __________________ " You can't toast me!"

07-22-2002, 10:32 PM	#3
Anorien Wight Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: The Old Navy of Rohan Posts: 138	Thanks a bunch, I'll look at the appendix, I just was hoping someone here would have the answers off the top of their heads, ya know?? As for Gandalf and Aragorn, how did they know each other??? __________________ FRODO: all low and retarded Oh Mr. Frodo, do you have any more food? Here eat mine, I’m so fat. How about I carry the ring for you. It’s soooo pretty, I mean heavy! SAM: Why you little-! FRODO: You asked for it!

07-23-2002, 03:30 AM	#5
Varda Maiden of Tears Join Date: May 2002 Location: Valinor. Posts: 571	Anorien - have you read the books? (it's not an insult or anything, just a question). If you do you'll find many answers in there. I'm pretty sure Aragorn and Gandalf met - although Gandalf will already have known about Aragorn being Isildur's Heir and all that. As for when they met, i'm sure it's written somewhere but I don't really remember. In Appendix B it says they met in 2956 T.A. about 60 years before the Quest begins but not in what circumstances..that's going to annoy me now i'll have to go look it up. __________________ 'It must often be so, Sam, when things are in danger: someone has to give them up, lose them, so that others may keep them' ~Frodo "Life is hard. After all, it kills you." - Katharine Hepburn

07-23-2002, 08:05 AM	#6
Aldagrim Proudfoot Shade of Carn Dûm Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Hobbiton Posts: 328	He didn't takew his rightful place as King because it wasn't time yet. Not all the conditions were right. __________________ I do not suffer from insanity. I enjoy every minute of it!

07-22-2002, 11:42 PM	#4
Tarthang Wight Join Date: Apr 2002 Location: Paths of the Dead Posts: 108	Off the top of my head, YES! Gandalf and Aragorn knew each other. Not off the top of my head, nor where to find the answer, but I would say they met in Rivendel and that Gandalf was aware of Aragorn way before Aragorn was aware of Gandalf. Most of the answers to these questions can be found by READING LOTR.

07-23-2002, 10:22 AM	#7
The Silver-shod Muse Shade of Carn Dûm Join Date: Apr 2002 Location: The shoulder of a poet, TX Posts: 388	I'm fairly certain that the reason Aragorn went wandering instead of staying in Rivendell with his adopted elven-family was that he was trying to win over Elrond and had to prove that he was good enough for Arwen. Also, the timing did have a lot to do with it. Elrond probably had some kind of foresight that allowed him to make choices with results that would come into play at the right time and place. [ July 23, 2002: Message edited by: The Silver-shod Muse ] __________________ "'You," he said, "tell her all. What good came to you? Do you rejoice that Maleldil became a man? Tell her of your joys, and of what profit you had when you made Maleldil and death acquainted.'" -Perelandra, by C.S. Lewis

07-23-2002, 10:48 AM	#8
O'Boile Wight Join Date: Jul 2002 Posts: 117	Aragorn was not exiled... he was from the northern kingdom or Arnour (I think that is how it is spelled). That kingdom was conquered roughly around the time that the last king of Gondor died and the stewards took up the scepter. The reason he was wandering is because he is a ranger (the dunedain of the north). As heir to the northern kingdom, he was their cheiftan. In order for him to be king, he would have to be accepted by Gondor (there are issues with choosing an heir in the past... read the appendix, it is in there). So, he is the rightful heir cause he is a descendant of Isildur, but he is not a descendant of the last king of Gondor (he had no descendants, otherwise they would have been king). He actually serves in Gondor earlier in his life as a captain to the steward Ecthelion. He went by the name Thorongil at that time.

07-23-2002, 01:05 PM	#10
Anorien Wight Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: The Old Navy of Rohan Posts: 138	I would like to imform everyone that I have read the books, yes. Just not the unfinnished Tales, as of yet. I'm working on that one __________________ FRODO: all low and retarded Oh Mr. Frodo, do you have any more food? Here eat mine, I’m so fat. How about I carry the ring for you. It’s soooo pretty, I mean heavy! SAM: Why you little-! FRODO: You asked for it!

07-23-2002, 01:13 PM	#11
Sweatpea Knotwise Pile O'Bones Join Date: Jul 2002 Posts: 17	Anorien, that's more than I've done. I have only read The Hobbit, LOTR and gotten halfway through Silmarillion. [img]smilies/smile.gif[/img] [ July 23, 2002: Message edited by: Sweatpea Knotwise ] [ July 23, 2002: Message edited by: Sweatpea Knotwise ] __________________ Single Hobbit Lass seeks Single Hobbit Lad, enjoys quiet evenings at home and the occasional spot of Old Toby. Talent: a killer seedcake. Contact “The ‘Pea” at Willowrot Row, Michel Delving.