6 Degrees of Separation

[Ruitha]

Same one as me. [img]smilies/smile.gif[/img] Go ahead!

[nobody]

Irimë->Forthwini
2 immortal people only and as many mortals as you like...

[Lord of Angmar]

Irime-->Maglor-->Elrond-->Aragorn-->Eomer-->Forthwini

Does that work?

[Lindolirian]

Irimë-> Fingolfin-> Thorondor-> Gwaihir-> Nazgul-> Wainriders-> Forthwini

[nobody]

Lord of Angmar,that's three immortals (Irimë, Fingolfin, Elrond)
LindolirianI don't think Thorondor and the Nazgûl are mortal (the latter used to be, but they're just as immortal as the elves although in slightly different ways).

[Lord of Angmar]

Lord of Angmar,that's three immortals (Irimë, Fingolfin, Elrond)

Well, it was Maglor, not Fingolfin. I was under the impression that you meant two immortals besides Irime, since I have have to use her. Lindolirian's answer at any rate was probably better, except that you are only allowed to use six people including the original two, and he used seven.

How about:
Irime-->Galadriel-->Aragorn-->Eomer-->Forthwini

[nobody]

Yes I meant Maglor. Your answer is exactly what I was thinking of.

[Lord of Angmar]

Sador-->The Sackville-Bagginses

[nobody]

Sador->Húrin->Turgon->Eärendil->Elrond->Bilbo->The Sackville-Bagginses.

[Lord of Angmar]

Nice try, but that would be Seven Degrees of Separation. [img]smilies/wink.gif[/img]

[nobody]

Oh I thought the 6 thing meant 6 ->s.

[Lindolirian]

Irime-->Galadriel-->Aragorn-->Eomer-->Forthwini

First of all, how is Éomer connected to Forthwini besides the fact that Forthwini was a VERY distant ancestor of Éomer's?

Also...

Oh I thought the 6 thing meant 6 ->s.

Yes, that had been agreed upon earlier. See page 1, posts 24 and 25 on that matter... it seems logical enough for me.

[Ruitha]

Um, if this is still going,

Sador -> Turin -> Melian -> Galadriel -> Frodo -> the Sackville-Bagginses....?

[Lord of Angmar]

Nice job, Ruitha. The one I had formulated was:

Sador-->Turin-->Finrod Felagund-->Galadriel-->Frodo-->S.B.'s

Your go.

[Ruitha]

Okay, try Earnur -> Frodo. Don't use the Witch-King. [img]smilies/wink.gif[/img] This one should be very short.

[Lord of Angmar]

This is quite challenging... Perhaps:

Earnur-->Saruman-->Treebeard-->Merry (or Pippin)-->Frodo

[Ruitha]

Well, you're not really meant to use Saruman ... (I've learned the rules now. [img]smilies/wink.gif[/img])

And it can be much shorter than that.

[Tulkas the Mighty]

Earnur--> Shelob (Gorbag or Shagrat)--> Frodo

I am assuming that since Earnur went to Minas Morgul he may have met Shelob, Gorbag or Shagrat. And yes, these specific Orcs may have been alive at that time if they were of Elvish fear. One of them did comment about the days during the Great War which would refer to the Seige of Barad Dur, making either of them old enough to fit in this connection.

[Lord of Angmar]

Oh yes, of course, no Saruman! I have been really quite forgetful in these past few days, I don't know what has come over me - senility, I suppose.

Well, I am stumped. Since we can't use relatives unless they are immediate family members, I shall have to sit and think about this one for a while more.

[Lord of Angmar]

Tulkas, yours seems a bit of a stretch. I doubt that Earnur met Shelob, and whether Shagrat and Gorbag were even stationed at Cirith Ungol at the time (if indeed they were even alive) is, as far as I know, unknown one way or the other.

<font size=1 color=339966>[ 4:46 PM January 04, 2004: Message edited by: Lord of Angmar ]

[Evisse the Blue]

How about:
Earnur - Mouth of Sauron -Gandalf - Frodo?

it seems very likely that Earnur has met with Mouth of Sauron, who was the Lieutenant, messenger boy and all around good guy for Sauron. Also, he was surely alive then, as he was supposed to be one of the Black Numenoreans.

[Lord of Angmar]

it seems very likely that Earnur has met with Mouth of Sauron,

When tracing from one name to another there must have been interaction or implied interaction in the novels between the two charcters.

Does 'probable' count as 'implied'? If I had given the question I would perhaps have accepted the Mouth of Sauron, but I do not know if probable interaction is allowed by the game rules. Saucepan Man, or anyone else knowledgeable on the subject, can you clear that up?

<font size=1 color=339966>[ 6:17 PM January 04, 2004: Message edited by: Lord of Angmar ]

[Lindolirian]

I think what we really need is Ruitha to tell us if we are to assume connections. Usually we do discourage implied connections.* In this case, Ruitha please tell us if any of your connections are assumed and if they are, you might have to tell us or make another puzzle.

*Some exceptions may be made for instance if two people were in Gondolin or Valinor. Something like this, it could be argued that when spending so many years in a secluded place, you just HAD to know everyone. [img]smilies/wink.gif[/img] [img]smilies/tongue.gif[/img]

<font size=1 color=339966>[ 8:01 PM January 04, 2004: Message edited by: Lindolirian ]

[The Saucepan Man]

I take an "implied connection" to mean a connection that follows from the circumstances of the two characters in question. It does not encompass pure speculation without any solid evidence from Tolkien's writings (otherwise connections might be contrived to make almost any answer fit). That, to my mind, precludes any connection between Earnur and the Mouth of Sauron, Shagrat, Gorbag or Shelob.

Ruitha, if your puzzle does involve speculation (and no one has got it yet), I suggest you tell us and set a new question. If not, pleae confirm so people can keep guessing.

And Lord of Angmar, going back a few questions, how can you doubt the connection between Bilbo and Dwalin when they both went on the same Quest together? [img]smilies/rolleyes.gif[/img] [img]smilies/wink.gif[/img]

[NightKnight]

Earnur -> Glorfindel -> Frodo

Does it get much easier? :P

[Ruitha]

Wow ... many replies ...
NightKnight got it (to my relief! I was getting worried I'd cheated in some way...)
As described in the Appendices, Glorfindel and Earnur fought together in the battle in which Angmar fell; and Glorfindel warned Earnur not to pursue the Witch-king, telling him that 'not by the hand of man will he fall.'

[NightKnight]

Curufin -> Éowyn

No Fëanor, none of Curufin's cousins. 6 steps (7 people). Try that one!

[Elrond of Rivendell]

Curufin -> Celebrimbor ?-> Gil-Galad -> Elrond -> Arwen -> Aragorn -> Eowyn

I'm not that sure about a certain interaction between Celebrimbor and Gil-Galad, but perhaps it could count as a most likely interaction. [img]smilies/biggrin.gif[/img]
Greetings,
EfR

[NightKnight]

Hmm...not quite what I was looking for. If we would have known that they had interacted, I would have given it to you, but as it is, try to find another connection.

[Lindolirian]

Curufin-> Beren-> Dior-> Eärendil-> Elrond-> Aragorn-> Éowyn
or
Curufin-> Huan-> Oromë-> Manwë-> Gandalf-> Éowyn

[NightKnight]

When did Dior meet Eärendil? He died when the sons of Fëanor attacked Doriath. For the other one, you're not supposed to use Gandalf.

[Elrond of Rivendell]

Curufin -> Beren -> Dior -> Elwing -> Elrond -> Aragorn -> Arwen
or:
Curufin -> Beren -> Thingol -> Cirdan -> Elrond -> Aragorn -> Arwen (considering the fact that both Cirdan and Thingol were Lords of the Teleri and would most likely have consulted each other when travelling from the mere of Cuivienen westwards)

Edit: Damn, of course I meant Eowyn when I said Arwen. But this is now too late. [img]smilies/mad.gif[/img]
Greetings,
EfR

<font size=1 color=339966>[ 5:05 PM January 10, 2004: Message edited by: Elrond of Rivendell ]

[nobody]

Curufin->Beren->Dior->Elwing->Elrond->Aragorn->Eowyn. (Unless Elrond counts as a cousin)

[NightKnight]

Not really what I had thought, but Elrond, you may continue. [img]smilies/smile.gif[/img]

[Elrond of Rivendell]

Thank you NightKnight.
Next question:
Ecthelion -> Brodda
Please do it with 6 separations (->), though shorter would also be fine and using only ONE elf beside Ecthelion and WITHOUT Turin Turambar.
Greetings,
EfR

[Lindolirian]

Ecthelion->(Turgon)-> Hurin-> Aerin or Sador-> Brodda

[Elrond of Rivendell]

Okay, I had something much more complicated in mind, but I see now that your solution is much more elegant. [img]smilies/wink.gif[/img]
Please continue Lindolirian.
Greetings,
EfR

[Lindolirian]

Daughter of Larnach-> Treebeard
Just to let you know this one uses an almost assumed connection. My opinion is that it would be valid, but some might disagree. In any case, I'm using it and it's not hard at all to figure out if you know your history

EDIT: To dispel any other confusion, don't use Turin Turambar.

<font size=1 color=339966>[ 9:05 PM January 11, 2004: Message edited by: Lindolirian ]

[Elrond of Rivendell]

Daughter of Larnach -> Turin Turambar -> Hurin -> Fingon -> Finarfin -> Galadriel -> Treebeard

[Lindolirian]

Argh.. I'm so terribly sorry for not saying this earlier, but I wanted this one done without Turin. Sorry about that. Your's works nicely, but I think mine's more fun [img]smilies/wink.gif[/img]