6 Degrees of Separation - Page 18 - The Barrow-Downs Discussion Forum

Miriel · 03-02-2004, 01:38 PM

Saeros -> Turin -> Hurin -> Hareth -> Hador -> Hathol -> Magor -> Saelon

I found several ways to do this, but I think this is the quickest. As you said, there are a couple of connections you could assume to shorten this - but here it is at full length anyway.

Lindolirian · 03-03-2004, 01:31 PM

I think you're thinking of a different Saelon. This one lived in the 4th Age.

NightKnight · 03-06-2004, 06:33 PM

Saeros -> Turin -> Melian -> Galadriel -> Aragorn -> Beregond -> Borlas -> Saelon

Yes?

Lindolirian · 03-08-2004, 06:30 AM

Very nice!

I used Pippin instead of Aragron, but it's the same difference.

NightKnight · 03-08-2004, 11:44 AM

Eru -> Shagrat.

Only 5 degrees here. Also, no good guys.

**The Saucepan Man** · 03-08-2004, 11:51 AM

Eru -> Morgoth -> Sauron -> Witch-King -> Shagrat

This assumes that Shagrat was acquainted with the Witch-King. If that link is not certain enough, then Gorbag needs to be added in, as he was from Minas Morgul, of which the Witch-King was commander:

Eru -> Morgoth -> Sauron -> Witch-King -> Gorbag -> Shagrat

Edit: Strictly speaking, Sauron shouldn't be used under the game guidelines, but I can't see any other way of doing it without using any good guys.

NightKnight · 03-08-2004, 12:23 PM

Well, there is a way. Try to find it.

**The Saucepan Man** · 03-08-2004, 12:34 PM

Eru -> Morgoth -> Ungoliant -> Shelob -> Ufthak -> Shagrat

Although it is arguable that Shelob was more than one generation removed from Ungoliant.

Miriel · 03-08-2004, 12:35 PM

Hmm. Would this work...?

Eru -> Morgoth -> Ungoliant -> Shelob -> Shagrat

Edit: Ah, curses, too late. And missed one out.

NightKnight · 03-08-2004, 12:43 PM

Perfect, Saucepan. You're up.
And I believe it is said that she was the "last horrible offspring of Ungoliant" or something similar. I take that as that Ungoliant was Shelob's mother.

**The Saucepan Man** · 03-09-2004, 07:58 AM

Quote:

And I believe it is said that she was the "last horrible offspring of Ungoliant" or something similar. I take that as that Ungoliant was Shelob's mother.

That is what most sources appear to assume, but we cannot be certain. "Offspring" and "spawn" can also simply mean descendants.

Anyway, enough of that. On with the game:

Nain I -> Thrain II

Using documented connections only (ie no assumptions whatsoever).

NightKnight · 03-09-2004, 08:29 AM

Náin I -> Thrain II -> Thorin I -> Glóin -> Óin -> Náin II -> Dáin I -> Thror -> Thráin II

**The Saucepan Man** · 03-09-2004, 08:49 AM

... that's 8 degrees of separation.

Now do it in 5 ...

Lindolirian · 03-09-2004, 01:41 PM

Nain I -> Thrain II

Nain I-> Durin's Bane-> Gimli-> Thorin Oakenshield-> Thrain II

NightKnight · 03-10-2004, 01:35 AM

Meh. :P

**The Saucepan Man** · 03-10-2004, 07:38 AM

I couldn't recall whether there is a specific reference to Gimli and Thorin Oakenshield meeting (in UT perhaps?), so I had Gloin between them.

But you are spot on otherwise, Lindol.

Please carry on.

Lindolirian · 03-10-2004, 07:54 AM

Yeah, I thought I remembered the two talking in UT because Gimli wanted to come along of the Quest of Erebor, but I didn't have my UT with me, so I chanced it. However, you are right I would have done better to throw in Gloin. Anyway...

Baldor-> Elurin

NightKnight · 03-10-2004, 08:41 AM

Baldor -> (Dead men of Dunharrow ->) Aragorn -> Elrond -> Elwing -> Elurin

Lindolirian · 03-10-2004, 07:30 PM

Yup, technically you didn't need the Dead Men since Aragorn found Baldor's bones, but you were wise to put them in anyway.

NightKnight · 03-11-2004, 02:18 PM

That's how I reasoned too.

Celebrimbor -> Tuor

Nilpaurion Felagund · 03-11-2004, 07:54 PM

Celebrimbor -> Galadriel -> Turgon -> Tuor.

NightKnight · 03-12-2004, 07:04 AM

That's a way I hadn't thought of, but it works fine as well. Your turn.

Nilpaurion Felagund · 03-14-2004, 08:24 PM

Oh, well...

Link the two most important people in my life:

Finrod and Tar-Míriel

Lindolirian · 03-14-2004, 09:07 PM

Finrod-> Sauron-> Ar-Pharazôn-> Tar Míriel
But, since we aren't supposed to use Sauron...
Finrod-> Fingon-> Gil-Galad-> Elendil-> (Amandil)-> Ar-Pharazôn-> Tar-Míriel

Nilpaurion Felagund · 03-14-2004, 09:35 PM

Have you noticed that Sauron killed them both?

NightKnight · 03-15-2004, 12:58 AM

If I can call you Nil.

Lindolirian · 03-16-2004, 07:22 AM

Celebrimbor-> Amandil

No Gil-Galad or any heirs of Elendil...

NightKnight · 03-16-2004, 07:42 AM

Celebrimbor -> Curufin -> Maglor -> Elrond -> Elendil -> Amandil

Lindolirian · 03-16-2004, 02:12 PM

Aye, that be one way of it!

NightKnight · 03-16-2004, 02:16 PM

Very well...

Dior -> Bergil

Ya.

Lindolirian · 03-16-2004, 02:17 PM

Dior-> Melian-> Galadriel-> Pippin-> Bergil

NightKnight · 03-16-2004, 02:23 PM

Works fine.

Lindolirian · 03-18-2004, 06:31 AM

Angrist-> Palantir of Orthanc

Miriel · 03-18-2004, 12:06 PM

Angrist -> Beren -> Finrod -> Galadriel -> Saruman -> Palantir?

NightKnight · 03-18-2004, 12:19 PM

Actually, you're not supposed to use Saruman.

Angrist -> Beren -> Finrod -> Galadriel -> Pippin -> Palantir

Just a small change.

Lindolirian · 03-19-2004, 12:21 PM

Sheesh, ya just gotta do that to me. Well I'd feel kinda bad giving it to either of you. You're both technically right, but
Miriel had it first, but NK is more right. So, I'll just go easy on myself and ask for the first connection without Beren or Galadriel.

NightKnight · 03-19-2004, 12:24 PM

Very well...

Angrist -> Curufin -> Celebrimbor -> Elrond -> Aragorn -> Pippin -> Palantir

There.

Miriel · 03-19-2004, 12:27 PM

*sighs*

Okay, how about...

Angrist -> Curufin -> Celebrimbor -> Celeborn -> Pippin -> Palantir?

Edit: Curse you, NightKnight!!!

Lindolirian · 03-19-2004, 12:29 PM

Ah, sorry Miriel, but NightKnight has claimed it first.

NightKnight · 03-19-2004, 12:47 PM

Hehe, sorry Miriel.

Try Bill the Pony -> Thorin Oakenshield.

03-02-2004, 01:38 PM	#681
Miriel Wight Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: Scotland Posts: 118	Saeros -> Turin -> Hurin -> Hareth -> Hador -> Hathol -> Magor -> Saelon I found several ways to do this, but I think this is the quickest. As you said, there are a couple of connections you could assume to shorten this - but here it is at full length anyway. __________________ "The weight of this sad time we must obey, Speak what we feel, not what we ought to say." (Act V, Scene III - King Lear)

03-03-2004, 01:31 PM	#682
Lindolirian World's Tallest Hobbit Join Date: Nov 2001 Location: Where the view is long Posts: 2,126	I think you're thinking of a different Saelon. This one lived in the 4th Age. __________________ 'They say that the One will himself enter into Arda, and heal Men and all the Marring from the beginning to the end."

03-06-2004, 06:33 PM	#683
NightKnight Lost among the Stars Join Date: Oct 2003 Location: Hiding in Childhood (Sweden) Posts: 2,696	Saeros -> Turin -> Melian -> Galadriel -> Aragorn -> Beregond -> Borlas -> Saelon Yes? __________________ There are three kinds of people in this world. Those who can count, and those who can't.

03-08-2004, 06:30 AM	#684
Lindolirian World's Tallest Hobbit Join Date: Nov 2001 Location: Where the view is long Posts: 2,126	Very nice! I used Pippin instead of Aragron, but it's the same difference. __________________ 'They say that the One will himself enter into Arda, and heal Men and all the Marring from the beginning to the end."

03-08-2004, 11:44 AM	#685
NightKnight Lost among the Stars Join Date: Oct 2003 Location: Hiding in Childhood (Sweden) Posts: 2,696	Eru -> Shagrat. Only 5 degrees here. Also, no good guys. __________________ There are three kinds of people in this world. Those who can count, and those who can't.

03-08-2004, 11:51 AM	#686
The Saucepan Man Corpus Cacophonous Join Date: Jan 2003 Location: A green and pleasant land Posts: 8,468	Eru -> Morgoth -> Sauron -> Witch-King -> Shagrat This assumes that Shagrat was acquainted with the Witch-King. If that link is not certain enough, then Gorbag needs to be added in, as he was from Minas Morgul, of which the Witch-King was commander: Eru -> Morgoth -> Sauron -> Witch-King -> Gorbag -> Shagrat Edit: Strictly speaking, Sauron shouldn't be used under the game guidelines, but I can't see any other way of doing it without using any good guys. __________________ Do you mind? I'm busy doing the fishstick. It's a very delicate state of mind!

03-08-2004, 12:23 PM	#687
NightKnight Lost among the Stars Join Date: Oct 2003 Location: Hiding in Childhood (Sweden) Posts: 2,696	Well, there is a way. Try to find it. __________________ There are three kinds of people in this world. Those who can count, and those who can't.

03-08-2004, 12:34 PM	#688
The Saucepan Man Corpus Cacophonous Join Date: Jan 2003 Location: A green and pleasant land Posts: 8,468	Aha! Here it is Eru -> Morgoth -> Ungoliant -> Shelob -> Ufthak -> Shagrat Although it is arguable that Shelob was more than one generation removed from Ungoliant. __________________ Do you mind? I'm busy doing the fishstick. It's a very delicate state of mind!

03-08-2004, 12:35 PM	#689
Miriel Wight Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: Scotland Posts: 118	Hmm. Would this work...? Eru -> Morgoth -> Ungoliant -> Shelob -> Shagrat Edit: Ah, curses, too late. And missed one out. __________________ "The weight of this sad time we must obey, Speak what we feel, not what we ought to say." (Act V, Scene III - King Lear)

03-08-2004, 12:43 PM	#690
NightKnight Lost among the Stars Join Date: Oct 2003 Location: Hiding in Childhood (Sweden) Posts: 2,696	Perfect, Saucepan. You're up. And I believe it is said that she was the "last horrible offspring of Ungoliant" or something similar. I take that as that Ungoliant was Shelob's mother. __________________ There are three kinds of people in this world. Those who can count, and those who can't.

03-09-2004, 08:29 AM	#692
NightKnight Lost among the Stars Join Date: Oct 2003 Location: Hiding in Childhood (Sweden) Posts: 2,696	Náin I -> Thrain II -> Thorin I -> Glóin -> Óin -> Náin II -> Dáin I -> Thror -> Thráin II __________________ There are three kinds of people in this world. Those who can count, and those who can't.

03-09-2004, 08:49 AM	#693
The Saucepan Man Corpus Cacophonous Join Date: Jan 2003 Location: A green and pleasant land Posts: 8,468	yes, but ... ... that's 8 degrees of separation. Now do it in 5 ... __________________ Do you mind? I'm busy doing the fishstick. It's a very delicate state of mind!

03-09-2004, 01:41 PM	#694
Lindolirian World's Tallest Hobbit Join Date: Nov 2001 Location: Where the view is long Posts: 2,126	Nain I -> Thrain II Nain I-> Durin's Bane-> Gimli-> Thorin Oakenshield-> Thrain II __________________ 'They say that the One will himself enter into Arda, and heal Men and all the Marring from the beginning to the end."

03-10-2004, 01:35 AM	#695
NightKnight Lost among the Stars Join Date: Oct 2003 Location: Hiding in Childhood (Sweden) Posts: 2,696	Meh. :P __________________ There are three kinds of people in this world. Those who can count, and those who can't.

03-10-2004, 07:38 AM	#696
The Saucepan Man Corpus Cacophonous Join Date: Jan 2003 Location: A green and pleasant land Posts: 8,468	I couldn't recall whether there is a specific reference to Gimli and Thorin Oakenshield meeting (in UT perhaps?), so I had Gloin between them. But you are spot on otherwise, Lindol. Please carry on. __________________ Do you mind? I'm busy doing the fishstick. It's a very delicate state of mind!

03-10-2004, 07:54 AM	#697
Lindolirian World's Tallest Hobbit Join Date: Nov 2001 Location: Where the view is long Posts: 2,126	Yeah, I thought I remembered the two talking in UT because Gimli wanted to come along of the Quest of Erebor, but I didn't have my UT with me, so I chanced it. However, you are right I would have done better to throw in Gloin. Anyway... Baldor-> Elurin __________________ 'They say that the One will himself enter into Arda, and heal Men and all the Marring from the beginning to the end."

03-10-2004, 08:41 AM	#698
NightKnight Lost among the Stars Join Date: Oct 2003 Location: Hiding in Childhood (Sweden) Posts: 2,696	Baldor -> (Dead men of Dunharrow ->) Aragorn -> Elrond -> Elwing -> Elurin __________________ There are three kinds of people in this world. Those who can count, and those who can't.

03-10-2004, 07:30 PM	#699
Lindolirian World's Tallest Hobbit Join Date: Nov 2001 Location: Where the view is long Posts: 2,126	Yup, technically you didn't need the Dead Men since Aragorn found Baldor's bones, but you were wise to put them in anyway. __________________ 'They say that the One will himself enter into Arda, and heal Men and all the Marring from the beginning to the end."

03-11-2004, 02:18 PM	#700
NightKnight Lost among the Stars Join Date: Oct 2003 Location: Hiding in Childhood (Sweden) Posts: 2,696	That's how I reasoned too. Celebrimbor -> Tuor __________________ There are three kinds of people in this world. Those who can count, and those who can't.

03-11-2004, 07:54 PM	#701
Nilpaurion Felagund Scion of The Faithful Join Date: Apr 2003 Location: The brink, where hope and despair are akin. [The Philippines] Posts: 5,430	Celebrimbor -> Galadriel -> Turgon -> Tuor. __________________ フェンリス鴨 (Fenrisu Kamo) The plot, cut, defeated. I intend to copy this sig forever - so far so good...

03-12-2004, 07:04 AM	#702
NightKnight Lost among the Stars Join Date: Oct 2003 Location: Hiding in Childhood (Sweden) Posts: 2,696	That's a way I hadn't thought of, but it works fine as well. Your turn. __________________ There are three kinds of people in this world. Those who can count, and those who can't.

03-14-2004, 08:24 PM	#703
Nilpaurion Felagund Scion of The Faithful Join Date: Apr 2003 Location: The brink, where hope and despair are akin. [The Philippines] Posts: 5,430	Thanks, NK! - can I call you that? Oh, well... Link the two most important people in my life: Finrod and Tar-Míriel __________________ フェンリス鴨 (Fenrisu Kamo) The plot, cut, defeated. I intend to copy this sig forever - so far so good...

03-14-2004, 09:07 PM	#704
Lindolirian World's Tallest Hobbit Join Date: Nov 2001 Location: Where the view is long Posts: 2,126	Finrod-> Sauron-> Ar-Pharazôn-> Tar Míriel But, since we aren't supposed to use Sauron... Finrod-> Fingon-> Gil-Galad-> Elendil-> (Amandil)-> Ar-Pharazôn-> Tar-Míriel __________________ 'They say that the One will himself enter into Arda, and heal Men and all the Marring from the beginning to the end." Last edited by Lindolirian; 03-14-2004 at 09:14 PM.

03-14-2004, 09:35 PM	#705
Nilpaurion Felagund Scion of The Faithful Join Date: Apr 2003 Location: The brink, where hope and despair are akin. [The Philippines] Posts: 5,430	Correctamundo! Have you noticed that Sauron killed them both? __________________ フェンリス鴨 (Fenrisu Kamo) The plot, cut, defeated. I intend to copy this sig forever - so far so good...

03-15-2004, 12:58 AM	#706
NightKnight Lost among the Stars Join Date: Oct 2003 Location: Hiding in Childhood (Sweden) Posts: 2,696	Sure you can! If I can call you Nil. __________________ There are three kinds of people in this world. Those who can count, and those who can't.

03-16-2004, 07:22 AM	#707
Lindolirian World's Tallest Hobbit Join Date: Nov 2001 Location: Where the view is long Posts: 2,126	Celebrimbor-> Amandil No Gil-Galad or any heirs of Elendil... __________________ 'They say that the One will himself enter into Arda, and heal Men and all the Marring from the beginning to the end."

03-16-2004, 07:42 AM	#708
NightKnight Lost among the Stars Join Date: Oct 2003 Location: Hiding in Childhood (Sweden) Posts: 2,696	Celebrimbor -> Curufin -> Maglor -> Elrond -> Elendil -> Amandil __________________ There are three kinds of people in this world. Those who can count, and those who can't.

03-16-2004, 02:12 PM	#709
Lindolirian World's Tallest Hobbit Join Date: Nov 2001 Location: Where the view is long Posts: 2,126	Aye, that be one way of it! __________________ 'They say that the One will himself enter into Arda, and heal Men and all the Marring from the beginning to the end."

03-16-2004, 02:16 PM	#710
NightKnight Lost among the Stars Join Date: Oct 2003 Location: Hiding in Childhood (Sweden) Posts: 2,696	Very well... Dior -> Bergil Ya. __________________ There are three kinds of people in this world. Those who can count, and those who can't.

03-16-2004, 02:17 PM	#711
Lindolirian World's Tallest Hobbit Join Date: Nov 2001 Location: Where the view is long Posts: 2,126	Dior-> Melian-> Galadriel-> Pippin-> Bergil __________________ 'They say that the One will himself enter into Arda, and heal Men and all the Marring from the beginning to the end."

03-16-2004, 02:23 PM	#712
NightKnight Lost among the Stars Join Date: Oct 2003 Location: Hiding in Childhood (Sweden) Posts: 2,696	Works fine. __________________ There are three kinds of people in this world. Those who can count, and those who can't.

03-18-2004, 06:31 AM	#713
Lindolirian World's Tallest Hobbit Join Date: Nov 2001 Location: Where the view is long Posts: 2,126	Angrist-> Palantir of Orthanc __________________ 'They say that the One will himself enter into Arda, and heal Men and all the Marring from the beginning to the end."

03-18-2004, 12:06 PM	#714
Miriel Wight Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: Scotland Posts: 118	Angrist -> Beren -> Finrod -> Galadriel -> Saruman -> Palantir? __________________ "The weight of this sad time we must obey, Speak what we feel, not what we ought to say." (Act V, Scene III - King Lear)

03-18-2004, 12:19 PM	#715
NightKnight Lost among the Stars Join Date: Oct 2003 Location: Hiding in Childhood (Sweden) Posts: 2,696	Actually, you're not supposed to use Saruman. Angrist -> Beren -> Finrod -> Galadriel -> Pippin -> Palantir Just a small change. __________________ There are three kinds of people in this world. Those who can count, and those who can't.

03-19-2004, 12:21 PM	#716
Lindolirian World's Tallest Hobbit Join Date: Nov 2001 Location: Where the view is long Posts: 2,126	Sheesh, ya just gotta do that to me. Well I'd feel kinda bad giving it to either of you. You're both technically right, but Miriel had it first, but NK is more right. So, I'll just go easy on myself and ask for the first connection without Beren or Galadriel. __________________ 'They say that the One will himself enter into Arda, and heal Men and all the Marring from the beginning to the end."