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elven maiden Earwen · 05-18-2003, 03:57 PM

Hey Lindolirian you were the cloesest. It was that they all died. Or they all became mortal at one point with an exception of Turgon and died.

Lalaith · 05-18-2003, 05:34 PM

*splutters*

Lindolirian · 05-18-2003, 06:14 PM

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It was that they all died.

That's a VERY broad subject for One Thing in Common.

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Or they all became mortal at one point with an exception of Turgon and died.

Then why did you include Turgon? This isn't Odd Man Out. [img]smilies/wink.gif[/img]

Is it my turn then?

Earendil Halfelven · 05-18-2003, 09:34 PM

Doh!

*Earendil smacks his palm against his forehead*

Of course! I can't believe I didn't guess that! What kind of a mortal am I?

elven maiden Earwen · 05-18-2003, 10:09 PM

ya its your go

Lindolirian · 05-19-2003, 08:28 PM

Aragorn
Barahir
Thingol

That's all that I can think of for now. If I find any others who fit the description I shall post them as hints if needed.

Lalaith · 05-20-2003, 04:11 AM

They all died. [img]smilies/rolleyes.gif[/img]

That was a heavy-handed attempt at a joke, incidently. I'm actually stumped as to a real answer!

[ May 21, 2003: Message edited by: Lalaith ]

Lalaith · 05-23-2003, 05:02 AM

They were all given a famous piece of jewellery is really all I can come up with!
Aragorn was given the Elfstone.
Barahir was given the ring of Felagund.
Thingol was given the Silmaril.

I'm sure this is wrong.

Lindolirian · 05-23-2003, 08:42 AM

You were so close. Since I didn't give very many people, I'll give it to you. It was that they all received something from important that came from Valinor. According to the Unfinished Tales, the Elessar was taken to Valinor after the First Age and brought back by Olorin.

Lalaith · 05-25-2003, 11:53 AM

Thank you Lindolirian.
Unfortunately I'm going away for about ten days and I don't want to leave a question hanging...would someone else like my go?

Arestevana · 05-27-2003, 04:48 PM

[img]smilies/smile.gif[/img] I'll take it, if that's okay. If someone has an objection, feel free to ignore this post.

Primula Brandybuck
Niniel Nienor
Arvedui
Earnil I

Too easy, I know, but I can't think of another. [img]smilies/rolleyes.gif[/img]

**The Saucepan Man** · 05-28-2003, 06:41 AM

They all drowned.

Primula Brandybuck in a boating accident on the River Brandywine.

Niniel Nienor when she jumped into the Teiglin.

Arvedui swimmming out to the Gondorian boat coming to rescue him in the icy bay of Forochel.

Earnil I in a storm off the coast of Gondor after capturing Umbar.

Edit: To add explanations.

[ May 28, 2003: Message edited by: The Saucepan Man ]

Arestevana · 05-28-2003, 02:02 PM

[img]smilies/biggrin.gif[/img] Correct! Drown they did [img]smilies/wink.gif[/img]

**The Saucepan Man** · 05-28-2003, 04:48 PM

OK, what has this bunch got in common?

Aragorn
Boromir
Dori
Grishnakh
Samwise Gamgee

Lindolirian · 05-28-2003, 05:30 PM

They all carried a hobbit on their back.

**The Saucepan Man** · 05-28-2003, 07:04 PM

They did indeed (or under their arms, in the case of Grishnakh). Well done, Lindolirian. [img]smilies/smile.gif[/img]

Lindolirian · 06-11-2003, 03:22 PM

My apologies for the tardy reply.

Erendis
Sauron
Ar-Gimilzôr
Tal-Elmar

Finwe · 06-16-2003, 11:51 AM

Could you clarify "Tal-Elmar" for me? I don't believe I have ever heard that before.

Arwen Imladris · 06-16-2003, 02:04 PM

They were all some sort of nobility?
Erendis was a noble lady of Númenor who became Queen to Tar-Aldarion, Sauron was a Maia and was in charge of all kinds of places at times, Ar-Gimilzôr was the twenty-third King of Númenor, the father of Tar-Palantir and grandfather of Ar-Pharazôn.

I also have no clue who Tal-Elmar is.

Perhaps they were all evil in some way? Sauron obviousy, Ar-Gimilzor was an enemy of the Faithful and the Elf-friends.

Lindolirian · 06-16-2003, 09:36 PM

Tal-Elmar was only mentioned in HoME 12. If this goes too far, I'll give a hint about who he is more. For those of you who do know who he is, then you can still get it. Actually if you know about him, it's quite easy.

Lalaith · 06-23-2003, 06:16 AM

They all lived during the Second Age...
or, more tentatively, they all bore ill-will to the Faithful.

Lindolirian · 06-23-2003, 09:01 PM

Getting close. You at least know Tal-Elmar!

Gwaihir the Windlord · 06-24-2003, 03:31 AM

It wasn't simply that they all lived in Numenor at some stage was it?

Lindolirian · 06-24-2003, 09:07 AM

You are so close, I think I'll give it to you. I don't know if Tal-Elmar actually did go to Numenor, but at the end of the story it says that he offers himself as a hostage which might imply that he went to Numenor. Anyway, my answer was that they all spoke Numenorean. Your go, Windlord!

Gwaihir the Windlord · 07-02-2003, 01:11 AM

Thanks -- sorry about the delay. Here they are:

Morgoth
Ar-Pharazon
Saruman
Fingolfin

Lindolirian · 07-02-2003, 10:03 AM

They have all been to the Undying Lands.

Gwaihir the Windlord · 07-03-2003, 12:24 AM

Sorry, not what I'm looking for.

Sophia the Thunder Mistress · 07-03-2003, 11:30 AM

All were Rebels.

Morgoth against Iluvatar and the other Valar.
Saruman against the Valar and the Istari.
Fingolfin was a leader in the Rebellion of the Noldor.
Ar-Pharazon against the Ban of the Valar.

Sophia

Gwaihir the Windlord · 07-04-2003, 01:02 AM

Hmm I wouldn't really call Findgolfin a leader of the rebellion... sorry, that's not it either.
Think long-term.

alquadae · 07-08-2003, 07:10 PM

They all ruled a "military" force of some kind

Gwaihir the Windlord · 07-09-2003, 01:26 AM

Close, alq. You need to develop that idea.

alquadae · 07-10-2003, 04:23 PM

All were defeated by Ainur

Lyra Greenleaf · 07-13-2003, 06:29 AM

They were all rulers- or more specifically they took more rule than they had a right to:

Ar-Pharazon tried to attack Valinor
Saruman claimed the title "The Ruler" which he had no right to
Morgoth pretty much tried to take over the whole world
Fingolfin became High-King of the Noldor instead of Maedhros- he was asked to, but the title still wasn't theoretically his
?????

[ July 13, 2003: Message edited by: Lyra Greenleaf ]

Gwaihir the Windlord · 07-15-2003, 03:14 AM

No. Both good answers (although I'm afraid Fingolfin doesn't quite fit into yours, Lyra).

Military force is a major factor in the answer.

Lindolirian · 07-17-2003, 07:52 PM

They all had a very large military force that was wiped out.

Gwaihir the Windlord · 07-18-2003, 01:04 AM

Well that wasn't exactly the answer, but as it's so close you'd better have it... my idea was that they all had huge initial military successes before suffering a huge defeat that they couldn't recover from. Ask away then, lindo.

Lindolirian · 07-22-2003, 04:35 PM

Nimrodel
Tar-Míriel
Drogo

**The Saucepan Man** · 07-22-2003, 05:46 PM

Is it that they all had significant others that drowned or were lost in water?

Nimrodel's lover, Amroth, was lost trying to swim back to shore in the Bay of Belfalas when a storm broke the moorings of his ship and it drifted out to sea.

Tar-Míriel's husband (and cousin), Ar-Pharazon, was lost when the seas rose as he set foot on the shores of Valinor.

Drogo's wife, Primula, drowned along with him in a tragic boating accident on the Brandywine River.

Lindolirian · 07-23-2003, 02:02 PM

That's it!

**The Saucepan Man** · 07-23-2003, 04:59 PM

Righty-ho.

Gandalf
Samwise Gamgee
Thorin Oakenshield
Turgon

05-18-2003, 03:57 PM	#441
elven maiden Earwen Ghost Prince of Cardolan Join Date: Jan 2003 Location: A world that never was and never will be Posts: 1,325	Hey Lindolirian you were the cloesest. It was that they all died. Or they all became mortal at one point with an exception of Turgon and died. __________________ We pillage and plunder, we rifle and loot, Drink up me hearties, Yo Ho. the looniest site in the world!!!

05-18-2003, 05:34 PM	#442
Lalaith Blithe Spirit Join Date: Jan 2003 Posts: 2,876	splutters __________________ Out went the candle, and we were left darkling

05-18-2003, 09:34 PM	#444
Earendil Halfelven Wight Join Date: Dec 2002 Location: the dark recesses of the mind Posts: 223	Doh! Earendil smacks his palm against his forehead Of course! I can't believe I didn't guess that! What kind of a mortal am I? __________________ In nomini domine saboath sui filique ite ad infernos.

05-18-2003, 10:09 PM	#445
elven maiden Earwen Ghost Prince of Cardolan Join Date: Jan 2003 Location: A world that never was and never will be Posts: 1,325	ya its your go __________________ We pillage and plunder, we rifle and loot, Drink up me hearties, Yo Ho. the looniest site in the world!!!

05-19-2003, 08:28 PM	#446
Lindolirian World's Tallest Hobbit Join Date: Nov 2001 Location: Where the view is long Posts: 2,126	Aragorn Barahir Thingol That's all that I can think of for now. If I find any others who fit the description I shall post them as hints if needed. __________________ 'They say that the One will himself enter into Arda, and heal Men and all the Marring from the beginning to the end."

05-20-2003, 04:11 AM	#447
Lalaith Blithe Spirit Join Date: Jan 2003 Posts: 2,876	They all died. [img]smilies/rolleyes.gif[/img] That was a heavy-handed attempt at a joke, incidently. I'm actually stumped as to a real answer! [ May 21, 2003: Message edited by: Lalaith ] __________________ Out went the candle, and we were left darkling

05-23-2003, 05:02 AM	#448
Lalaith Blithe Spirit Join Date: Jan 2003 Posts: 2,876	They were all given a famous piece of jewellery is really all I can come up with! Aragorn was given the Elfstone. Barahir was given the ring of Felagund. Thingol was given the Silmaril. I'm sure this is wrong. __________________ Out went the candle, and we were left darkling

05-23-2003, 08:42 AM	#449
Lindolirian World's Tallest Hobbit Join Date: Nov 2001 Location: Where the view is long Posts: 2,126	You were so close. Since I didn't give very many people, I'll give it to you. It was that they all received something from important that came from Valinor. According to the Unfinished Tales, the Elessar was taken to Valinor after the First Age and brought back by Olorin. __________________ 'They say that the One will himself enter into Arda, and heal Men and all the Marring from the beginning to the end."

05-25-2003, 11:53 AM	#450
Lalaith Blithe Spirit Join Date: Jan 2003 Posts: 2,876	Thank you Lindolirian. Unfortunately I'm going away for about ten days and I don't want to leave a question hanging...would someone else like my go? __________________ Out went the candle, and we were left darkling

05-27-2003, 04:48 PM	#451
Arestevana Shade of Carn Dûm Join Date: May 2003 Location: West over water Posts: 486	[img]smilies/smile.gif[/img] I'll take it, if that's okay. If someone has an objection, feel free to ignore this post. Primula Brandybuck Niniel Nienor Arvedui Earnil I Too easy, I know, but I can't think of another. [img]smilies/rolleyes.gif[/img]

05-28-2003, 06:41 AM	#452
The Saucepan Man Corpus Cacophonous Join Date: Jan 2003 Location: A green and pleasant land Posts: 8,468	They all drowned. Primula Brandybuck in a boating accident on the River Brandywine. Niniel Nienor when she jumped into the Teiglin. Arvedui swimmming out to the Gondorian boat coming to rescue him in the icy bay of Forochel. Earnil I in a storm off the coast of Gondor after capturing Umbar. Edit: To add explanations. [ May 28, 2003: Message edited by: The Saucepan Man ] __________________ Do you mind? I'm busy doing the fishstick. It's a very delicate state of mind!

05-28-2003, 02:02 PM	#453
Arestevana Shade of Carn Dûm Join Date: May 2003 Location: West over water Posts: 486	[img]smilies/biggrin.gif[/img] Correct! Drown they did [img]smilies/wink.gif[/img]

05-28-2003, 04:48 PM	#454
The Saucepan Man Corpus Cacophonous Join Date: Jan 2003 Location: A green and pleasant land Posts: 8,468	OK, what has this bunch got in common? Aragorn Boromir Dori Grishnakh Samwise Gamgee __________________ Do you mind? I'm busy doing the fishstick. It's a very delicate state of mind!

05-28-2003, 05:30 PM	#455
Lindolirian World's Tallest Hobbit Join Date: Nov 2001 Location: Where the view is long Posts: 2,126	They all carried a hobbit on their back. __________________ 'They say that the One will himself enter into Arda, and heal Men and all the Marring from the beginning to the end."

05-28-2003, 07:04 PM	#456
The Saucepan Man Corpus Cacophonous Join Date: Jan 2003 Location: A green and pleasant land Posts: 8,468	They did indeed (or under their arms, in the case of Grishnakh). Well done, Lindolirian. [img]smilies/smile.gif[/img] __________________ Do you mind? I'm busy doing the fishstick. It's a very delicate state of mind!

06-11-2003, 03:22 PM	#457
Lindolirian World's Tallest Hobbit Join Date: Nov 2001 Location: Where the view is long Posts: 2,126	My apologies for the tardy reply. Erendis Sauron Ar-Gimilzôr Tal-Elmar __________________ 'They say that the One will himself enter into Arda, and heal Men and all the Marring from the beginning to the end."

06-16-2003, 11:51 AM	#458
Finwe Deathless Sun Join Date: May 2003 Location: The Royal Suite in the Halls of Mandos Posts: 2,609	Could you clarify "Tal-Elmar" for me? I don't believe I have ever heard that before. __________________ But Melkor also was there, and he came to the house of Fëanor, and there he slew Finwë King of the Noldor before his doors, and spilled the first blood in the Blessed Realm; for Finwë alone had not fled from the horror of the Dark.

06-16-2003, 02:04 PM	#459
Arwen Imladris Ghost Prince of Cardolan Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: In a box with a fox Posts: 1,347	They were all some sort of nobility? Erendis was a noble lady of Númenor who became Queen to Tar-Aldarion, Sauron was a Maia and was in charge of all kinds of places at times, Ar-Gimilzôr was the twenty-third King of Númenor, the father of Tar-Palantir and grandfather of Ar-Pharazôn. I also have no clue who Tal-Elmar is. Perhaps they were all evil in some way? Sauron obviousy, Ar-Gimilzor was an enemy of the Faithful and the Elf-friends. __________________ "Wake up! Wake up! Wake up, sleepies, we must go, yes, we must go at once."

06-16-2003, 09:36 PM	#460
Lindolirian World's Tallest Hobbit Join Date: Nov 2001 Location: Where the view is long Posts: 2,126	Tal-Elmar was only mentioned in HoME 12. If this goes too far, I'll give a hint about who he is more. For those of you who do know who he is, then you can still get it. Actually if you know about him, it's quite easy. __________________ 'They say that the One will himself enter into Arda, and heal Men and all the Marring from the beginning to the end."

06-23-2003, 06:16 AM	#461
Lalaith Blithe Spirit Join Date: Jan 2003 Posts: 2,876	They all lived during the Second Age... or, more tentatively, they all bore ill-will to the Faithful. __________________ Out went the candle, and we were left darkling

06-23-2003, 09:01 PM	#462
Lindolirian World's Tallest Hobbit Join Date: Nov 2001 Location: Where the view is long Posts: 2,126	Getting close. You at least know Tal-Elmar! __________________ 'They say that the One will himself enter into Arda, and heal Men and all the Marring from the beginning to the end."

06-24-2003, 03:31 AM	#463
Gwaihir the Windlord Essence of Darkness Join Date: Jul 2000 Location: Evermore Posts: 1,420	It wasn't simply that they all lived in Numenor at some stage was it?

06-24-2003, 09:07 AM	#464
Lindolirian World's Tallest Hobbit Join Date: Nov 2001 Location: Where the view is long Posts: 2,126	You are so close, I think I'll give it to you. I don't know if Tal-Elmar actually did go to Numenor, but at the end of the story it says that he offers himself as a hostage which might imply that he went to Numenor. Anyway, my answer was that they all spoke Numenorean. Your go, Windlord! __________________ 'They say that the One will himself enter into Arda, and heal Men and all the Marring from the beginning to the end."

07-02-2003, 01:11 AM	#465
Gwaihir the Windlord Essence of Darkness Join Date: Jul 2000 Location: Evermore Posts: 1,420	Thanks -- sorry about the delay. Here they are: Morgoth Ar-Pharazon Saruman Fingolfin

07-02-2003, 10:03 AM	#466
Lindolirian World's Tallest Hobbit Join Date: Nov 2001 Location: Where the view is long Posts: 2,126	They have all been to the Undying Lands. __________________ 'They say that the One will himself enter into Arda, and heal Men and all the Marring from the beginning to the end."

07-03-2003, 12:24 AM	#467
Gwaihir the Windlord Essence of Darkness Join Date: Jul 2000 Location: Evermore Posts: 1,420	Sorry, not what I'm looking for.

07-03-2003, 11:30 AM	#468
Sophia the Thunder Mistress Scent of Simbelmynë Join Date: Apr 2002 Location: Aboard Highwind, bound for Traverse Town Posts: 1,834	All were Rebels. Morgoth against Iluvatar and the other Valar. Saruman against the Valar and the Istari. Fingolfin was a leader in the Rebellion of the Noldor. Ar-Pharazon against the Ban of the Valar. Sophia __________________ The seasons fall like silver swords, the years rush ever onward; and soon I sail, to leave this world, these lands where I have wander'd. O Elbereth! O Queen who dwells beyond the Western Seas, spare me yet a little time 'ere white ships come for me!

07-04-2003, 01:02 AM	#469
Gwaihir the Windlord Essence of Darkness Join Date: Jul 2000 Location: Evermore Posts: 1,420	Hmm I wouldn't really call Findgolfin a leader of the rebellion... sorry, that's not it either. Think long-term.

07-08-2003, 07:10 PM	#470
alquadae Wight Join Date: Jan 2003 Location: Mithlond Posts: 154	They all ruled a "military" force of some kind __________________ Keeper of St. Elmos Fire

07-09-2003, 01:26 AM	#471
Gwaihir the Windlord Essence of Darkness Join Date: Jul 2000 Location: Evermore Posts: 1,420	Close, alq. You need to develop that idea.

07-10-2003, 04:23 PM	#472
alquadae Wight Join Date: Jan 2003 Location: Mithlond Posts: 154	All were defeated by Ainur __________________ Keeper of St. Elmos Fire

07-13-2003, 06:29 AM	#473
Lyra Greenleaf The Diaphanous Dryad Join Date: Jan 2003 Location: R toL: 531, past the wild path Posts: 1,180	They were all rulers- or more specifically they took more rule than they had a right to: Ar-Pharazon tried to attack Valinor Saruman claimed the title "The Ruler" which he had no right to Morgoth pretty much tried to take over the whole world Fingolfin became High-King of the Noldor instead of Maedhros- he was asked to, but the title still wasn't theoretically his ????? [ July 13, 2003: Message edited by: Lyra Greenleaf ] __________________ “Sylphs of the forest,” I whispered. “Spirits of oak, beech and ash. Dryads of Rowan and hazel, hear us. You who have guided and guarded our every footstep, you who have sheltered our growth, we honour you." the Forbidden Link

07-15-2003, 03:14 AM	#474
Gwaihir the Windlord Essence of Darkness Join Date: Jul 2000 Location: Evermore Posts: 1,420	No. Both good answers (although I'm afraid Fingolfin doesn't quite fit into yours, Lyra). Military force is a major factor in the answer.

07-17-2003, 07:52 PM	#475
Lindolirian World's Tallest Hobbit Join Date: Nov 2001 Location: Where the view is long Posts: 2,126	They all had a very large military force that was wiped out. __________________ 'They say that the One will himself enter into Arda, and heal Men and all the Marring from the beginning to the end."

07-18-2003, 01:04 AM	#476
Gwaihir the Windlord Essence of Darkness Join Date: Jul 2000 Location: Evermore Posts: 1,420	Well that wasn't exactly the answer, but as it's so close you'd better have it... my idea was that they all had huge initial military successes before suffering a huge defeat that they couldn't recover from. Ask away then, lindo.