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mordor136 · 04-02-2002, 09:32 PM

this is just like any other normal topic. here we go.

What is the name of the creature known as the watcher in the water [img]smilies/biggrin.gif[/img]

Turambar · 04-03-2002, 12:04 AM

The Kraken?

Bruce MacCulloch · 04-03-2002, 12:13 AM

Professor Tolkien never says.

mordor136 · 04-03-2002, 07:00 PM

there are many ways of finding out. kraken is correct.

Nefwathiel Teleri · 04-03-2002, 07:03 PM

Hi Mordor 136. How are ya? Go check out my threads. Stop sitting around and go. Go. GO!!!!!!!! I say, GO!!!!!!!!!!!
[img]smilies/smile.gif[/img] I know, I'm a little wacky.

Nefwathiel Teleri · 04-03-2002, 07:26 PM

Where are you? Where'd ya go?

Bruce MacCulloch · 04-03-2002, 10:41 PM

mordor136 - Where did you get that information? I can't find that anywhere in Professor Tolkien's writings.

mordor136 · 04-05-2002, 09:37 AM

i dont remember where i read it but kraken is correct. try not to be toooo picky and relax

zifnab · 04-05-2002, 11:48 AM

I agree with Bruce on this one. I think "Kraken" is just a term that others have labeled it.

Kraken is the legendary sea monster that we now know of today as the Giant Squid. So if we may call it Kraken then couldn't we call it a "Dianoga"? [img]smilies/wink.gif[/img]

Dianoga is a muddy-colored squid-like creature which thrives in dank environments, patiently waiting for morsels big enough to satisfy its appetite. The seven-tentacled creature ensnares its prey and attempts to drag it into its hungry mouth.

The Watcher in the Water is just another mysterious creature in Tolkiens writing.

But I do remember seeing an old thread on the issue, and if I remember correctly Turambar was in it?

mordor136 · 04-05-2002, 08:44 PM

sorry if my info was incorrect everybody but i really did read that somewhere

Luthien_ Tinuviel · 06-06-2002, 03:30 PM

Just in case anybody ever looks at this thread again, I just thought I'd say that the watcher in the water is called a kraken in the "Tolkien Bestiary"

zifnab · 06-07-2002, 05:08 PM

I have never read Tolkien Bestiary, but I know it isn't written by J.R.R. Tolkien but by David Day. According to Micheal Martinez who is a respected Eldar to the Barrowdowns(or so I hear)...

Quote:

These books make good conversationalist pieces, but the reader should beware. They won't teach you much about Tolkien's world and what little they have to offer in the way of accurate information is washed away by the unauthorized additions and changes.

Nefwathiel Teleri · 03-08-2003, 12:18 PM

He's right:it never says

Sapphire_Flame · 03-19-2003, 04:13 PM

How about we drop this and ask a new question? mordor, what do you think?

Silmarien · 03-25-2003, 04:32 PM

Since no-one has said anything for a while I'll ask a question to resurect this thread.
What were the Balrogs originally?

Lyra Greenleaf · 03-26-2003, 02:03 PM

spirits of fire from the north. they were ainur, like melian.

Silmarien · 03-26-2003, 05:55 PM

well done. Please continue. [img]smilies/biggrin.gif[/img]

mordor136 · 03-28-2003, 09:11 PM

I have sadly been absent from this forum for a while and was shocked to see one my threads up here so thanks Silmarien for resurecting my thread

Tinuviel the Nightingale · 03-29-2003, 12:10 AM

Can someone ask a question now? [img]smilies/tongue.gif[/img]

Beren87 · 03-29-2003, 12:13 AM

Give Lyra time, it's only been 3 days.

Lyra Greenleaf · 03-29-2003, 12:31 PM

thanks Beren, sorry i kept everyone waiting.

what type of dragon was scatha?

piosenniel · 03-29-2003, 01:48 PM

Scatha is a Long-worm. From the Grey Mountains of the North.

Lyra Greenleaf · 04-07-2003, 01:04 PM

Oops, I did it again. (I really honestly didn't mean that to come out like Britney Spears song) But continue, please, you're right pio!

[ April 07, 2003: Message edited by: Lyra Greenleaf ]

piosenniel · 04-07-2003, 01:26 PM

They live, "Far, far below the deepest delvings of the Dwarves . . ." gnawing at the world.

What are they called?

Nuranar · 04-07-2003, 02:42 PM

Um...(here's a go without the books)..."nameless creatures" or something like that. I remember the passage, just not the phrasing. *calls brother on cell phone to find the specifics*

piosenniel · 04-07-2003, 03:09 PM

Close enough to get the brass ring, Nuranar!

"Far, far below the deepest delvings of the Dwarves, the world is gnawed by nameless things."

Words of Gandalf
from The Two Towers III 5 The White Rider

Please Continue!

Nuranar · 04-07-2003, 04:09 PM

Who dwelt in Dungortheb, where "horror and madness walked"?

piosenniel · 04-08-2003, 01:51 AM

Would that be the offspring of Ungoliant?

Nuranar · 04-08-2003, 07:10 AM

Right on the money. Your go!

piosenniel · 04-08-2003, 01:59 PM

"Later in the year, having gathered his strength and completed his design, Morgoth at last loosed his assault upon Nargothrond.

*_________* the Urulókë passed over the Anfauglith..."

Who is *_________*?

Nuranar · 04-08-2003, 02:47 PM

"Glaurung the Urulókë [or fire-drake] passed over the Anfauglith..."

My list of resources grows thin...this is hard without the books!

piosenniel · 04-09-2003, 01:42 AM

Quote:

My list of resources grows thin

I suddenly flashed on the scene from FOTR where Elrond says to Gandalf, "Our list of allies grows thin . . ."

But I digress - your are correct, carry on!

Nuranar · 04-10-2003, 08:25 PM

Quote:

I suddenly flashed on the scene from FOTR where Elrond says to Gandalf, "Our list of allies grows thin . . ."

It is also in my mind.

"Unlike the older race of the Twilight they could endure the Sun, so long as the will of Sauron held sway over them."

Who - or what - are "they"?

Sophia the Thunder Mistress · 04-10-2003, 10:16 PM

I want to say Trolls (like the one Pippin got in RoTK), but I'm really not positive.

alaklondewen · 04-10-2003, 10:44 PM

Could it be Goblins? I think they could withstand the sun, maybe...

Nuranar · 04-10-2003, 11:19 PM

Right direction...think more specifically.

piosenniel · 04-11-2003, 12:37 AM

Uruk-hai

Nuranar · 04-11-2003, 12:53 AM

Nay, fair lady. But that kind of specificity is good. (Is that a word?)

piosenniel · 04-11-2003, 01:31 AM

Specificity is indeed a word. And here is a little more of it: [img]smilies/wink.gif[/img]

"But at the end of the Third Age a troll-race not before seen appeared in southern Mirkwood and in the mountain borders of Mordor. Olog-hai they were called in the Black Speech. That Sauron bred them none doubted, though from what stock was not known. Some held that they were not Trolls but giant Orcs; but the Olog-hai were in fashion of body and mind quite unlike even the largest of Orc-kind, whom they far surpassed in size and power. Trolls they were, but filled with the evil will of their master: a fell race, strong, agile, fierce and cunning, but harder than stone. Unlike the older race of the Twilight they could endure the Sun... They spoke little, and the only tongue they knew was the Black Speech of Barad-dur." The Return of the King, by J.R.R. Tolkien

Nuranar · 04-11-2003, 08:33 AM

Whoop for specificity!

Your turn!

04-02-2002, 09:32 PM	#1
mordor136 Wight Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: snowboarding with Morgoth in the void Posts: 221	EVIL creatures this is just like any other normal topic. here we go. What is the name of the creature known as the watcher in the water [img]smilies/biggrin.gif[/img] __________________ It's not A.D.D I'm just ignoring you. I'm like a super-hero with no powers or motivation

04-03-2002, 12:04 AM	#2
Turambar Ghost Prince of Cardolan Join Date: Sep 2001 Location: Non-Stop Home Posts: 859	The Kraken? __________________ In the upper air the fireflies move more slowly.

04-03-2002, 12:13 AM	#3
Bruce MacCulloch Dead Man of Dunharrow Join Date: Jan 2002 Posts: 652	Professor Tolkien never says. __________________ `A blunderbuss, was it?' said he, scratching his head. `I thought it was horseflies!'

04-03-2002, 07:00 PM	#4
mordor136 Wight Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: snowboarding with Morgoth in the void Posts: 221	there are many ways of finding out. kraken is correct. __________________ It's not A.D.D I'm just ignoring you. I'm like a super-hero with no powers or motivation

04-03-2002, 10:41 PM	#7
Bruce MacCulloch Dead Man of Dunharrow Join Date: Jan 2002 Posts: 652	mordor136 - Where did you get that information? I can't find that anywhere in Professor Tolkien's writings. __________________ `A blunderbuss, was it?' said he, scratching his head. `I thought it was horseflies!'

04-03-2002, 07:03 PM	#5
Nefwathiel Teleri Wight Join Date: Feb 2002 Posts: 122	Hi Mordor 136. How are ya? Go check out my threads. Stop sitting around and go. Go. GO!!!!!!!! I say, GO!!!!!!!!!!! [img]smilies/smile.gif[/img] I know, I'm a little wacky.

04-03-2002, 07:26 PM	#6
Nefwathiel Teleri Wight Join Date: Feb 2002 Posts: 122	Where are you? Where'd ya go?

04-05-2002, 09:37 AM	#8
mordor136 Wight Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: snowboarding with Morgoth in the void Posts: 221	i dont remember where i read it but kraken is correct. try not to be toooo picky and relax __________________ It's not A.D.D I'm just ignoring you. I'm like a super-hero with no powers or motivation

04-05-2002, 11:48 AM	#9
zifnab Shade of Carn Dûm Join Date: Jan 2002 Location: omni-presence Posts: 331	I agree with Bruce on this one. I think "Kraken" is just a term that others have labeled it. Kraken is the legendary sea monster that we now know of today as the Giant Squid. So if we may call it Kraken then couldn't we call it a "Dianoga"? [img]smilies/wink.gif[/img] Dianoga is a muddy-colored squid-like creature which thrives in dank environments, patiently waiting for morsels big enough to satisfy its appetite. The seven-tentacled creature ensnares its prey and attempts to drag it into its hungry mouth. The Watcher in the Water is just another mysterious creature in Tolkiens writing. But I do remember seeing an old thread on the issue, and if I remember correctly Turambar was in it? __________________ Facebook.

04-05-2002, 08:44 PM	#10
mordor136 Wight Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: snowboarding with Morgoth in the void Posts: 221	sorry if my info was incorrect everybody but i really did read that somewhere __________________ It's not A.D.D I'm just ignoring you. I'm like a super-hero with no powers or motivation

06-06-2002, 03:30 PM	#11
Luthien_ Tinuviel Ghost Prince of Cardolan Join Date: May 2002 Location: A very lovely tree-hut in the Chunnel. Posts: 804	Just in case anybody ever looks at this thread again, I just thought I'd say that the watcher in the water is called a kraken in the "Tolkien Bestiary" __________________ I am a nineteen-year-old nomad photographer who owns a lemonade stand. You know what? I love Mip.

03-08-2003, 12:18 PM	#13
Nefwathiel Teleri Wight Join Date: Feb 2002 Posts: 122	He's right:it never says

03-19-2003, 04:13 PM	#14
Sapphire_Flame Ghost Prince of Cardolan Join Date: Sep 2002 Location: The World That Never Was Posts: 1,312	How about we drop this and ask a new question? mordor, what do you think? __________________ The Hitchhiking Ghost

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Silmarien Wight Join Date: Jan 2003 Location: Lost but Found Posts: 207	Since no-one has said anything for a while I'll ask a question to resurect this thread. What were the Balrogs originally? __________________ Though here at journeys end I lie in dakness buried deep, beyond all towers strong and high beyond all mountains steep, above all shadows rides the Sun and Stars forever dwell:I will not say the Day is done nor bid the Stars farewell!

03-26-2003, 02:03 PM	#16
Lyra Greenleaf The Diaphanous Dryad Join Date: Jan 2003 Location: R toL: 531, past the wild path Posts: 1,180	spirits of fire from the north. they were ainur, like melian. __________________ “Sylphs of the forest,” I whispered. “Spirits of oak, beech and ash. Dryads of Rowan and hazel, hear us. You who have guided and guarded our every footstep, you who have sheltered our growth, we honour you." the Forbidden Link

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Silmarien Wight Join Date: Jan 2003 Location: Lost but Found Posts: 207	well done. Please continue. [img]smilies/biggrin.gif[/img] __________________ Though here at journeys end I lie in dakness buried deep, beyond all towers strong and high beyond all mountains steep, above all shadows rides the Sun and Stars forever dwell:I will not say the Day is done nor bid the Stars farewell!

03-28-2003, 09:11 PM	#18
mordor136 Wight Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: snowboarding with Morgoth in the void Posts: 221	I have sadly been absent from this forum for a while and was shocked to see one my threads up here so thanks Silmarien for resurecting my thread __________________ It's not A.D.D I'm just ignoring you. I'm like a super-hero with no powers or motivation

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Tinuviel the Nightingale Shade of Carn Dûm Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: Splashing around in Galadriel's Mirror Posts: 299	Can someone ask a question now? [img]smilies/tongue.gif[/img] __________________ I am no longer Saruman the White... I am Saruman THE BRINGER OF ALL THINGS FLUFFY AND SPECIAL! Join Legends of Middle Earth!

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Beren87 Master of the Secret Fire Join Date: Oct 2001 Location: Between fire and ice, death and life Posts: 2,266	Give Lyra time, it's only been 3 days.

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Lyra Greenleaf The Diaphanous Dryad Join Date: Jan 2003 Location: R toL: 531, past the wild path Posts: 1,180	thanks Beren, sorry i kept everyone waiting. what type of dragon was scatha? __________________ “Sylphs of the forest,” I whispered. “Spirits of oak, beech and ash. Dryads of Rowan and hazel, hear us. You who have guided and guarded our every footstep, you who have sheltered our growth, we honour you." the Forbidden Link

03-29-2003, 01:48 PM	#22
piosenniel Desultory Dwimmerlaik Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: Pickin' flowers with Bill the Cat..... Posts: 7,816	Scatha is a Long-worm. From the Grey Mountains of the North. __________________ Eldest, that’s what I am . . . I knew the dark under the stars when it was fearless - before the Dark Lord came from Outside.

04-07-2003, 01:04 PM	#23
Lyra Greenleaf The Diaphanous Dryad Join Date: Jan 2003 Location: R toL: 531, past the wild path Posts: 1,180	Oops, I did it again. (I really honestly didn't mean that to come out like Britney Spears song) But continue, please, you're right pio! [ April 07, 2003: Message edited by: Lyra Greenleaf ] __________________ “Sylphs of the forest,” I whispered. “Spirits of oak, beech and ash. Dryads of Rowan and hazel, hear us. You who have guided and guarded our every footstep, you who have sheltered our growth, we honour you." the Forbidden Link

04-07-2003, 01:26 PM	#24
piosenniel Desultory Dwimmerlaik Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: Pickin' flowers with Bill the Cat..... Posts: 7,816	They live, "Far, far below the deepest delvings of the Dwarves . . ." gnawing at the world. What are they called? __________________ Eldest, that’s what I am . . . I knew the dark under the stars when it was fearless - before the Dark Lord came from Outside.

04-07-2003, 02:42 PM	#25
Nuranar Ghost Prince of Cardolan Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: STILL a drought Posts: 554	Um...(here's a go without the books)..."nameless creatures" or something like that. I remember the passage, just not the phrasing. calls brother on cell phone to find the specifics __________________ I admit it is better fun to punt than be punted, and that a desire to have all the fun is nine-tenths of the law of chivalry. Lord Peter Wimsey

04-07-2003, 03:09 PM	#26
piosenniel Desultory Dwimmerlaik Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: Pickin' flowers with Bill the Cat..... Posts: 7,816	Close enough to get the brass ring, Nuranar! "Far, far below the deepest delvings of the Dwarves, the world is gnawed by nameless things." Words of Gandalf from The Two Towers III 5 The White Rider Please Continue! __________________ Eldest, that’s what I am . . . I knew the dark under the stars when it was fearless - before the Dark Lord came from Outside.

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Nuranar Ghost Prince of Cardolan Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: STILL a drought Posts: 554	Who dwelt in Dungortheb, where "horror and madness walked"? __________________ I admit it is better fun to punt than be punted, and that a desire to have all the fun is nine-tenths of the law of chivalry. Lord Peter Wimsey

04-08-2003, 01:51 AM	#28
piosenniel Desultory Dwimmerlaik Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: Pickin' flowers with Bill the Cat..... Posts: 7,816	Would that be the offspring of Ungoliant? __________________ Eldest, that’s what I am . . . I knew the dark under the stars when it was fearless - before the Dark Lord came from Outside.

04-08-2003, 07:10 AM	#29
Nuranar Ghost Prince of Cardolan Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: STILL a drought Posts: 554	Right on the money. Your go! __________________ I admit it is better fun to punt than be punted, and that a desire to have all the fun is nine-tenths of the law of chivalry. Lord Peter Wimsey

04-08-2003, 01:59 PM	#30
piosenniel Desultory Dwimmerlaik Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: Pickin' flowers with Bill the Cat..... Posts: 7,816	"Later in the year, having gathered his strength and completed his design, Morgoth at last loosed his assault upon Nargothrond. _________ the Urulókë passed over the Anfauglith..." Who is _________? __________________ Eldest, that’s what I am . . . I knew the dark under the stars when it was fearless - before the Dark Lord came from Outside.

04-08-2003, 02:47 PM	#31
Nuranar Ghost Prince of Cardolan Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: STILL a drought Posts: 554	"Glaurung the Urulókë [or fire-drake] passed over the Anfauglith..." My list of resources grows thin...this is hard without the books! __________________ I admit it is better fun to punt than be punted, and that a desire to have all the fun is nine-tenths of the law of chivalry. Lord Peter Wimsey

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Sophia the Thunder Mistress Scent of Simbelmynë Join Date: Apr 2002 Location: Aboard Highwind, bound for Traverse Town Posts: 1,834	I want to say Trolls (like the one Pippin got in RoTK), but I'm really not positive. __________________ The seasons fall like silver swords, the years rush ever onward; and soon I sail, to leave this world, these lands where I have wander'd. O Elbereth! O Queen who dwells beyond the Western Seas, spare me yet a little time 'ere white ships come for me!

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alaklondewen Song of Seregon Join Date: Feb 2002 Location: Following the road less traveled Posts: 1,201	Could it be Goblins? I think they could withstand the sun, maybe... __________________ At last I understand why we have waited! This is the ending. Now not day only shall be beloved, but night too shall be beautiful and blessed and all its fear pass away!

04-10-2003, 11:19 PM	#36
Nuranar Ghost Prince of Cardolan Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: STILL a drought Posts: 554	Right direction...think more specifically. __________________ I admit it is better fun to punt than be punted, and that a desire to have all the fun is nine-tenths of the law of chivalry. Lord Peter Wimsey

04-11-2003, 12:37 AM	#37
piosenniel Desultory Dwimmerlaik Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: Pickin' flowers with Bill the Cat..... Posts: 7,816	Uruk-hai __________________ Eldest, that’s what I am . . . I knew the dark under the stars when it was fearless - before the Dark Lord came from Outside.

04-11-2003, 12:53 AM	#38
Nuranar Ghost Prince of Cardolan Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: STILL a drought Posts: 554	Nay, fair lady. But that kind of specificity is good. (Is that a word?) __________________ I admit it is better fun to punt than be punted, and that a desire to have all the fun is nine-tenths of the law of chivalry. Lord Peter Wimsey