The Necromancer - The Barrow-Downs Discussion Forum

AbercrombieOfRohan · 11-26-2004, 01:38 PM

There is a Lord of the Rings literary club at our school and we got to talking about the Necromancer the other day and I can't seem to remember a lot about him. Can anyone help?

Question #1: Is the Necromancer Sauron? Are they the same person?
Question #2: How was the Necromancer defeated?
Question #3: When did he move into Dol Guldur?
Question #4: Well this one isn't really a question, more of a plea. Are there any other tidbits that you would like to share with me? AND In which book (s) is the Necromancer mentioned because I must re-read them.

Thank you for helping a poor newbie.

Mithalwen · 11-26-2004, 02:12 PM

The Necromancer is how Sauron is referred to in "The Hobbit" - the reason that Gandalf leaves the Dwarves at the edge of Mirkwood is in order to attend the "White Council" (Galadriel and Saruman were also members surely Elrond too?). They drove Sauron from Dol Guldur but they had delayed (on the insistance of Saruman) and Sauron merely went to Mordor. All the dates are in the LOTR appendices but if you have "Unfinished Tales", you will find a narrative on the Quest of Erebor from Gandalf's perspective. In FOTR I think Galadriel talks about the council in Lorien and there may be some references in The Council of Elrond. Hope this helps.

Mithalwen · 11-26-2004, 02:13 PM

Sorry - I forget my manners ..... welcome to the downs

AbercrombieOfRohan · 11-26-2004, 02:46 PM

Thanks. How did they drive the Necromancer away? Wasn't there some passage somewhere about how galadriel sent a group of elves to guard dol guldur or something? or am I just imagining thing?

Lindolirian · 11-26-2004, 02:53 PM

The Encyclopedia of Arda is a fine place to research such trivia. Welcome to the Downs!

Mithalwen · 11-26-2004, 03:13 PM

In the end, Sauron only prentended and let the others think he had been driven out to lull them into a false sense of security. I think it would have been more about inner strength rather than physical strength - think of Glorfindel driving the Nazgul into the river or Gandalf "fighting" Saruman or the Balrog. I think they watched Dol Guldur more like spies than standing guard.

11-26-2004, 02:53 PM	#5
Lindolirian World's Tallest Hobbit Join Date: Nov 2001 Location: Where the view is long Posts: 2,126	The Encyclopedia of Arda is a fine place to research such trivia. Welcome to the Downs! __________________ 'They say that the One will himself enter into Arda, and heal Men and all the Marring from the beginning to the end."

11-26-2004, 03:13 PM	#6
Mithalwen Pilgrim Soul Join Date: May 2004 Location: watching the wonga-wonga birds circle... Posts: 9,916	In the end, Sauron only prentended and let the others think he had been driven out to lull them into a false sense of security. I think it would have been more about inner strength rather than physical strength - think of Glorfindel driving the Nazgul into the river or Gandalf "fighting" Saruman or the Balrog. I think they watched Dol Guldur more like spies than standing guard. __________________ “But Finrod walks with Finarfin his father beneath the trees in Eldamar.” Christopher Tolkien, Requiescat in pace

11-26-2004, 01:38 PM	#1
AbercrombieOfRohan Shade of Carn Dûm Join Date: Nov 2004 Posts: 386	The Necromancer There is a Lord of the Rings literary club at our school and we got to talking about the Necromancer the other day and I can't seem to remember a lot about him. Can anyone help? Question #1: Is the Necromancer Sauron? Are they the same person? Question #2: How was the Necromancer defeated? Question #3: When did he move into Dol Guldur? Question #4: Well this one isn't really a question, more of a plea. Are there any other tidbits that you would like to share with me? AND In which book (s) is the Necromancer mentioned because I must re-read them. Thank you for helping a poor newbie.

11-26-2004, 02:12 PM	#2
Mithalwen Pilgrim Soul Join Date: May 2004 Location: watching the wonga-wonga birds circle... Posts: 9,916	The Necromancer is how Sauron is referred to in "The Hobbit" - the reason that Gandalf leaves the Dwarves at the edge of Mirkwood is in order to attend the "White Council" (Galadriel and Saruman were also members surely Elrond too?). They drove Sauron from Dol Guldur but they had delayed (on the insistance of Saruman) and Sauron merely went to Mordor. All the dates are in the LOTR appendices but if you have "Unfinished Tales", you will find a narrative on the Quest of Erebor from Gandalf's perspective. In FOTR I think Galadriel talks about the council in Lorien and there may be some references in The Council of Elrond. Hope this helps. __________________ “But Finrod walks with Finarfin his father beneath the trees in Eldamar.” Christopher Tolkien, Requiescat in pace

11-26-2004, 02:13 PM	#3
Mithalwen Pilgrim Soul Join Date: May 2004 Location: watching the wonga-wonga birds circle... Posts: 9,916	Sorry - I forget my manners ..... welcome to the downs __________________ “But Finrod walks with Finarfin his father beneath the trees in Eldamar.” Christopher Tolkien, Requiescat in pace

11-26-2004, 02:46 PM	#4
AbercrombieOfRohan Shade of Carn Dûm Join Date: Nov 2004 Posts: 386	Thanks. How did they drive the Necromancer away? Wasn't there some passage somewhere about how galadriel sent a group of elves to guard dol guldur or something? or am I just imagining thing?