Taimar - parentage of Gil-galad.

[Taimar]

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This seems to me one the most glaring inconsistencies in the various versions of the Sil. I think that CT felt that to make him the son of Fingon was the best way to tie things up in the published Silmarillion, but apparently he regretted doing this.

There are apparently four or five different versions of Gil-galad`s background. So I was wondering if anyone has any firm ideas as to which particular version we should adopt for our purposes?

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Re: Taimar - parentage of Gil-galad.

Could you reference these 4-5 versions of Gilg-Galad's parentage? This will ensure every knows where to see them all.



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Re: Taimar - parentage of Gil-galad.

Sorry R. Thanks for pointing out the obvious omission from my previous post.

I will give volume and chapter names as references, since people may have different editions of the books, making page references confusing. The relevant texts are as follows:

The Silmarillion, Chapter 18, &quot;Of the Ruin of Beleriand and the Fall of Fingolfin&quot;, states that Gil-galad is the son of Fingon.

The Lost Road and other writings (Volume V of HoME), Part I, Chapter II, &quot;The Fall of Numenor&quot;, asserts that Gil-galad is descended from Feanor, but does not give his parentage, and several pages further on states that he is the son of Felagund.

The Return of the Shadow (Volume VI of HoME), Chapter XII, &quot;At Rivendell&quot;, again states that Gil-galad is descended from Feanor.

The Treason of Isengard (Volume VII of HoME), Chapter VI, &quot;The Council of Elrond&quot;, refers to him as Gil-galad son of Felagund son of Finrod. It should be noted that Finrod in this instance equates to Finarfin of the Silmarillion, and that Felagund in this instance is Finrod Felagund of the Silmarillion. It also states that in another draft JRR called him the son of Inglor.

I own the HoME up until Volume X, so there may be references in XI and XII ( which I hope to buy in the next couple of weeks).

I confess that I have no firm idea of what should be considered the `correct` descent for Gil-galad. I have read several times that Christopher Tolkien regretted making Gil-galad the son of Fingon in the published edition of the Silmarillion. I therefore thought that this may be a matter we would wish to discuss on this forum.

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Re: Taimar - parentage of Gil-galad.

There are. I believe that Vol. 12 has Gil-Galad descended from Orodreth. I could be wrong but either Vol. 11 or 12 also may have him descended from either Angrod or Aegnor. BTW, there is also an inconsistency concerning Orodreth's parentage and his generation.

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Re: Taimar - parentage of Gil-galad.

Thanks, Mithadan. I had read on other boards about the versions where Gil-galad is perhaps descended from one of Finarfin`s other sons, but since I do not yet own volumes XI and XII of HoME, I could not give the references. I suspected that they must originate from those two books, but I wanted to be able to confirm this before posting anything.

I knew about the doubts over the heritage of Orodreth. You are correct to raise this since it also has an impact upon the genealogy of the House of Finwe. Indeed, I now propose, if this would be allowed by RKittle, that this particular thread be expanded. I suggest that it be renamed &quot;The Genealogy of the House of Finwe&quot;, and that it should cover all theories concerning the origins and parentage of Finwe`s descendants. What does everyone think?

(BTW, I am edging towards the opinion that we should consider Gil-galad a grandson of Finarfin, since this seems to have been JRR`s intention, though which one of Finarfin`s sons should be considered Gil-galad`s father is a matter for more debate.)


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Re: Taimar - parentage of Gil-galad.

I have started a new forum and made &quot;The Genealogy of the House of Finwe&quot; the first topic there. I copied some of this thread to that one. Taimar, Please move/copy any other texts that you want to from this thread into that one.

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Re: Taimar - parentage of Gil-galad.

Thanks, R.

I think it best that I lift all comments made on this thread so far to the new one and that this one be closed. I`ll write an explanatory note along with the posts on the `Genealogy` thread.

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