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Pervinca Took 11-28-2019 05:12 PM

I wondered if it was PETER + GRIFFIN.

AH!

TELPERION.

Peter + Lion.

Urwen 11-28-2019 05:17 PM

P: A heap, a vehicle, and a German note spin for it.
L: A returning river meets a broken norm with a vowel switch? See it.
A: A broken Danish toy inside of conjunction reveals it.
N: Spin an aquatic mammal with a vowel shift and a returning element for it.
TELPERION: Combine this traitor with his house's symbol, rearranged, for it.
SEREGON: The girl (with a vowel switch - twice) is gone without end, and it appears.


The T clue is how the whole idea for the password was born. I had it planned for weeks now.

Pervinca Took 11-29-2019 02:34 AM

Been thinking of LAVARALDA for clue 2. RIVIL backwards, with the vowels changed. But can't find a synonym of 'norm.'

LEGETOJ is Danish for 'toy.'

But the only likely plant seems to be AthelaS, with AS as the surrounding conjunction.

Urwen 11-29-2019 03:07 AM

You are close on 2, but it's not Danish word for toy, but rather, the name of a Danish toy brand (which is derivated from Danish word for toy)

Huinesoron 11-29-2019 04:27 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Urwen (Post 720863)
You are close on 2, but it's not Danish word for toy, but rather, the name of a Danish toy brand (which is derivated from Danish word for toy)

As + Lego = AEGLOS, the snowthorn of Amon RŻdh.

hS

Urwen 11-29-2019 05:21 AM

P: A heap, a vehicle, and a German note spin for it.
L: A returning river meets a broken norm with a vowel switch? See it.
AEGLOS: A broken Danish toy inside of conjunction reveals it.
N: Spin an aquatic mammal with a vowel shift and a returning element for it.
TELPERION: Combine this traitor with his house's symbol, rearranged, for it.
SEREGON: The girl (with a vowel switch - twice) is gone without end, and it appears.

Pervinca Took 11-29-2019 06:28 AM

Could N be NIPHREDIL?

Mainly based on LI(THIUM) being reversed at the end. But the rest of it could make DERPHIN, which isn't THAT far from 'dolphin.'

Urwen 11-29-2019 06:40 AM

Actually, it is IR+DELPHIN.

Urwen 11-29-2019 06:41 AM

P: A heap, a vehicle, and a German note spin for it.
L: A returning river meets a broken norm with a vowel switch? See it.
AEGLOS: A broken Danish toy inside of conjunction reveals it.
NIPHREDIL: Spin an aquatic mammal with a vowel shift and a returning element for it.
TELPERION: Combine this traitor with his house's symbol, rearranged, for it.
SEREGON: The girl (with a vowel switch - twice) is gone without end, and it appears.

Pervinca Took 11-29-2019 07:11 AM

I'm going to guess ELANOR for L, using the second letter for the password.

NILE backwards with a vowel change, plus NOR(M).

Urwen 11-29-2019 07:39 AM

Nope, but the river is correct.

Pervinca Took 11-29-2019 10:05 AM

Nearest I can get for P is PIMPERNEL, which has PILE.

German note suggests H. But no P------- plant I can find also has an H.

So maybe it's A in German (plus an unrelated note): EIN or EINE. PIMPERNEL has both, but it takes letters away from PILE to account for them.

So maybe it's a German person/personal name, plus AN unrelated note.

PERVINCA has VAN for the vehicle, and ERIC, but is that particularly German?

A VEHICLE can be a method/way/channel/conduit, but that hasn't led me to a solution either.

Urwen 11-29-2019 11:00 AM

Nope.

Urwen 12-02-2019 05:39 AM

Maybe this will help: http://tolkiengateway.net/wiki/Category:Plants

Huinesoron 12-03-2019 02:33 AM

L: I tried Lebethron, but then remembered, oh yeah, there's Two Trees... LAURELIN is reversed NILE + ... vowel-switched REAL, maybe? Oh, no, it's RULE.

P: well, your link suggests PILINEHTAR, which could be PILE + TRAIN + ...H? Oh, right, because German musical notation is... kind of weird, actually? I guess all musical notation is weird, but starting with A-H-B-C is a different kind of odd.

hS

Urwen 12-03-2019 04:03 AM

PILINEHTAR: A heap, a vehicle, and a German note spin for it.
L: A returning river meets a broken norm with a vowel switch? See it.
AEGLOS: A broken Danish toy inside of conjunction reveals it.
NIPHREDIL: Spin an aquatic mammal with a vowel shift and a returning element for it.
TELPERION: Combine this traitor with his house's symbol, rearranged, for it.
SEREGON: The girl (with a vowel switch - twice) is gone without end, and it appears.


L is T's 'twin'.

Huinesoron 12-03-2019 05:27 AM

Can I check whether my guess at Laurelin is wrong, or whether you just missed it?

If it's not Laurelin, then... maybe another name for Laurelin? :D She was named LindeloksŽ and Lasgalen, though no rivers spring out at me.

hS

Urwen 12-03-2019 05:31 AM

PILINEHTAR: A heap, a vehicle, and a German note spin for it.
LAURELIN: A returning river meets a broken norm with a vowel switch? See it.
AEGLOS: A broken Danish toy inside of conjunction reveals it.
NIPHREDIL: Spin an aquatic mammal with a vowel shift and a returning element for it.
TELPERION: Combine this traitor with his house's symbol, rearranged, for it.
SEREGON: The girl (with a vowel switch - twice) is gone without end, and it appears.

It's Nile backwards + RULE - E + A

And now over to Pervinca.

Pervinca Took 12-03-2019 05:02 PM

A very nice password and theme, Urwen. :)

OK, then. Here's the next one. Enjoy! ;)


1. Thank you, nurse!’ (American text speak). Here, a twisting cave leads to the beginning of the underworld.
2. Nimble Field Marshal gains direction even as all becomes confused here.
3. See him before the decay returns; a sibilant is swallowed.
4. Ask Debussy when he sings. It might be after noon.
5. Thingol’s land is transformed into another, as a fricative element gives way to hesitation in the general turmoil.
6. He’s a lover of confectionery, with only one small exception.
7. Food guilt? It’s confusing when someone lays that on you.
8. His table manners leave much to be desired.
9. Shrivel without hesitation, here in France? Decline, after first loss. But on it flows.
10. Fifty pence pieces can really weigh your pockets down! That considered, on it runs.
11. Here you’ll find a stove with tooth marks in it, they say!
12. Girl traps boy here. Mother too, initially, and first.
13. Here find oriental bread, lose two articles, and meet a physician.
14. Flatulent and sibilant children’s author? (Forget his surname). It's confusing, but perhaps he’s sampled this?
15. Spanish greeting for Balin’s directionless dad; despite the confusion, it’s not that far from where his son lies.
16. Charlatan of a professor – looks peaky after much confusion!
17. He’s semi-sedentary, with very minimal disturbance.
18. An eternally tough dancer, we hear.
19. Dark Lord changes direction as he tumbles here.
20. What Drogo might have yelled here, in 2980, had he been a Cockney?
21. Does he really ban the use of certain plosives?
22. To a linguist’s mind, he seems almost to specialise in golden tautology.

Huinesoron 12-04-2019 04:16 AM

Okay, let's see:

#9: WITHER - ER, + Y (from the French), + DWINDLE - D = WITHYWINDLE.

#5: DORIATH - TH + ER = ERIADOR.

The straight clues are a good balance between helpful and vague, so thank you for that. :)

hS

Urwen 12-04-2019 06:56 AM

Well, the Dark Lords are Morgoth, Sauron or Voldemort, but I am going to assume it's Morgoth. :p

Pervinca Took 12-04-2019 10:29 AM

1. Thank you, nurse!’ (American text speak). Here, a twisting cave leads to the beginning of the underworld.
2. Nimble Field Marshal gains direction even as all becomes confused here.
3. See him before the decay returns; a sibilant is swallowed.
4. Ask Debussy when he sings. It might be after noon.
ERIADOR: Thingol’s land is transformed into another, as a fricative element gives way to hesitation in the general turmoil.
6. He’s a lover of confectionery, with only one small exception.
7. Food guilt? It’s confusing when someone lays that on you.
8. His table manners leave much to be desired.
WITHYWINDLE: Shrivel without hesitation, here in France? Decline, after first loss. But on it flows.
10. Fifty pence pieces can really weigh your pockets down, I hear! That considered, on it runs.
11. Here you’ll find a stove with tooth marks in it, they say!
12. Girl traps boy here. Mother too, initially, and first.
13. Here find oriental bread, lose two articles, and meet a physician.
14. Flatulent and sibilant children’s author? (Forget his surname). It's confusing, but perhaps he’s sampled this?
15. Spanish greeting for Balin’s directionless dad; despite the confusion, it’s not that far from where his son lies.
16. Charlatan of a professor – looks peaky after much confusion!
17. He’s semi-sedentary, with very minimal disturbance.
18. An eternally tough dancer, we hear.
19. Dark Lord changes direction as he tumbles here.
20. What Drogo might have yelled here, in 2980, had he been a Cockney?
21. Does he really ban the use of a certain plosive?
22. To a linguist’s mind, he seems almost to specialise in golden tautology.

Exactly right on 5 and 9.

Wrong Dark Lord, Urwen.

EDIT: I've slightly amended clues 10 and 21.

Urwen 12-04-2019 12:14 PM

Sauron, then?

Pervinca Took 12-04-2019 01:33 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Urwen (Post 720892)
Sauron, then?

Yes, but that's only an element. It's not the answer.

Urwen 12-04-2019 02:23 PM

Oh, I know, Rauros.

Urwen 12-04-2019 02:24 PM

I don't really understand most of the clues.....

Huinesoron 12-04-2019 02:53 PM

#21: So does he shout "NO B!"?

#4: I thought this was like a pop/rock thing, but apparently Claude Debussy is a classical composer. One of his works was Prťlude ŗ l'aprŤs-midi d'un faune, which... suggests the answer might be APRES-MIDI, but I can't for the life of me see why.

hS

Pervinca Took 12-04-2019 04:00 PM

1. Thank you, nurse!í (American text speak). Here, a twisting cave leads to the beginning of the underworld.
2. Nimble Field Marshal gains direction even as all becomes confused here.
3. See him before the decay returns; a sibilant is swallowed.
4. Ask Debussy when it sounds like he sings. It might be after noon.
ERIADOR: Thingolís land is transformed into another, as a fricative element gives way to hesitation in the general turmoil.
6. Heís a lover of confectionery, with only one small exception.
7. Food guilt? Itís confusing when someone lays that on you.
8. His table manners leave much to be desired.
WITHYWINDLE: Shrivel without hesitation, here in France? Decline, after first loss. But on it flows.
10. Fifty pence pieces can really weigh your pockets down, I hear! That considered, on it runs.
11. Here youíll find a stove with tooth marks in it, they say!
12. Girl traps boy here. Mother too, initially, and first.
13. Here find oriental bread, lose two articles, and meet a physician.
14. Flatulent and sibilant childrenís author? (Forget his surname). It's confusing, but perhaps heís sampled this?
15. Spanish greeting for Balinís directionless dad; despite the confusion, itís not that far from where his son lies.
16. Charlatan of a professor Ė looks peaky after much confusion!
17. Heís semi-sedentary, with very minimal disturbance.
18. An eternally tough dancer, we hear.
RAUROS: Dark Lord changes direction as he tumbles here.
20. What Drogo might have yelled here, in 2980, had he been a Cockney?
NOB: Does he really ban the use of a certain plosive?
22. To a linguistís mind, he seems almost to specialise in golden tautology.

I looked at the plosive clue and couldn't for the life of me work out the answer. Until I looked at my answer. Then I edited it slightly. NOB it is.

I've edited the Debussy clue. It needed a 'sounds like' element. You have the right piece of music.

Yes, RAUROS has the N direction changed to R, and the letters tumble, but so do the falls! (of Rauros).

Huinesoron 12-05-2019 05:45 AM

A dubious guess for #14: is he HALF FAST (ie, still, steady), = HALFAST?

15: I was assuming Hola, but it seems VALE is a Spanish greeting too. Balin's dad is Fundin, and if we remove F for forward (or indeed formen) we can get... pretty close to VALE OF ANDUIN. Which isn't too far from Moria, and in fact is right next to where Balin lies down in Beorn's house.

hS

Huinesoron 12-05-2019 07:07 AM

Ah, there it is. #3 ERE + S + reversed ROT = ERESTOR.

(I was stuck with 'pre' for 'before', and wound up getting sidetracked wondering if Tolkien had included any version of Prester John in his works.)

hS

Pervinca Took 12-05-2019 07:24 AM

1. Thank you, nurse!í (American text speak). Here, a twisting cave leads to the beginning of the underworld.
2. Nimble Field Marshal gains direction even as all becomes confused here.
ERESTOR: See him before the decay returns; a sibilant is swallowed.
4. Ask Debussy when it sounds like he sings. It might be after noon.
ERIADOR: Thingolís land is transformed into another, as a fricative element gives way to hesitation in the general turmoil.
6. Heís a lover of confectionery, with only one small exception.
7. Food guilt? Itís confusing when someone lays that on you.
8. His table manners leave much to be desired.
WITHYWINDLE: Shrivel without hesitation, here in France? Decline, after first loss. But on it flows.
10. Fifty pence pieces can really weigh your pockets down, I hear! That considered, on it runs.
11. Here youíll find a stove with tooth marks in it, they say!
12. Girl traps boy here. Mother too, initially, and first.
13. Here find oriental bread, lose two articles, and meet a physician.
14. Flatulent and sibilant childrenís author? (Forget his surname). It's confusing, but perhaps heís sampled this?
15. Spanish greeting for Balinís directionless dad; despite the confusion, itís not that far from where his son lies.
16. Charlatan of a professor Ė looks peaky after much confusion!
HALFAST: Heís semi-sedentary, with very minimal disturbance.
18. An eternally tough dancer, we hear.
RAUROS: Dark Lord changes direction as he tumbles here.
20. What Drogo might have yelled here, in 2980, had he been a Cockney?
NOB: Does he really ban the use of a certain plosive?
22. To a linguistís mind, he seems almost to specialise in golden tautology.

Perfect reasoning for ERESTOR.

Clue 17 indicates a guy who is HALF SAT, which, with minimal disturbance, does give us HALFAST.

The element you need for 15 is HOLA, not vale.

Pervinca Took 12-05-2019 03:20 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Huinesoron (Post 720899)
Ah, there it is. #3 ERE + S + reversed ROT = ERESTOR.

(I was stuck with 'pre' for 'before', and wound up getting sidetracked wondering if Tolkien had included any version of Prester John in his works.)

hS

Why Prester John, Huey?

Urwen 12-05-2019 04:49 PM

Password is The Fellowship of the Ring. You're welcome.

Pervinca Took 12-05-2019 05:59 PM

T: Thank you, nurse!í (American text speak). Here, a twisting cave leads to the beginning of the underworld.
H: Nimble Field Marshal gains direction even as all becomes confused here.
ERESTOR: See him before the decay returns; a sibilant is swallowed.

F: Ask Debussy when it sounds like he sings. It might be after noon.
ERIADOR: Thingolís land is transformed into another, as a fricative element gives way to hesitation in the general turmoil.
L: Heís a lover of confectionery, with only one small exception.
L: Food guilt? Itís confusing when someone lays that on you.
O: His table manners leave much to be desired.
WITHYWINDLE: Shrivel without hesitation, here in France? Decline, after first loss. But on it flows.
S: Fifty pence pieces can really weigh your pockets down, I hear! That considered, on it runs.
H: Here youíll find a stove with tooth marks in it, they say!
I: Girl traps boy here. Mother too, initially, and first.
P: Here find oriental bread, lose two articles, and meet a physician.

O: Flatulent and sibilant childrenís author? (Forget his surname). It's confusing, but perhaps heís sampled this?
F: Spanish greeting for Balinís directionless dad; despite the confusion, itís not that far from where his son lies.

T: Charlatan of a professor Ė looks peaky after much confusion!
HALFAST: Heís semi-sedentary, with very minimal disturbance.
E: An eternally tough dancer, we hear.

RAUROS: Dark Lord changes direction as he tumbles here.
I: What Drogo might have yelled here, in 2980, had he been a Cockney?
NOB: Does he really ban the use of a certain plosive?
G: To a linguistís mind, he seems almost to specialise in golden tautology.

Galadriel55 12-05-2019 09:27 PM

1. TY (thank you text speak) + RN (nurse) + ?groth (twisted cave) = almost Tyrn Gorthad.

So, Tyrn Gorthad?

Huinesoron 12-06-2019 02:59 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Urwen (Post 720902)
Password is The Fellowship of the Ring. You're welcome.

Oh, nice! Hopefully we can knock down the remaining clues nice and quickly now. :)

S: 50p is a silver coin, so this clue describes a SILVER LOAD... sorry, SILVERLODE.

G: I'm wondering at GOLDORIN for this (Telerin, 'Noldorin'), since it starts with Gold + Or (heraldic term for gold), but I'm also drawn to GLORFINDEL because... well... it's got 'gold' in it in a different language.

hS

Pervinca Took 12-06-2019 03:15 AM

TYRN GORTHAD: Thank you, nurse!’ (American text speak). Here, a twisting cave leads to the beginning of the underworld.
H: Nimble Field Marshal gains direction even as all becomes confused here.
ERESTOR: See him before the decay returns; a sibilant is swallowed.

F: Ask Debussy when it sounds like he sings. It might be after noon.
ERIADOR: Thingol’s land is transformed into another, as a fricative element gives way to hesitation in the general turmoil.
L: He’s a lover of confectionery, with only one small exception.
L: Food guilt? It’s confusing when someone lays that on you.
O: His table manners leave much to be desired.
WITHYWINDLE: Shrivel without hesitation, here in France? Decline, after first loss. But on it flows.
SILVERLODE: Fifty pence pieces can really weigh your pockets down, I hear! That considered, on it runs.
H: Here you’ll find a stove with tooth marks in it, they say!
I: Girl traps boy here. Mother too, initially, and first.
P: Here find oriental bread, lose two articles, and meet a physician.

O: Flatulent and sibilant children’s author? (Forget his surname). It's confusing, but perhaps he’s sampled this?
F: Spanish greeting for Balin’s directionless dad; despite the confusion, it’s not that far from where his son lies.

T: Charlatan of a professor – looks peaky after much confusion!
HALFAST: He’s semi-sedentary, with very minimal disturbance.
E: An eternally tough dancer, we hear.

RAUROS: Dark Lord changes direction as he tumbles here.
I: What Drogo might have yelled here, in 2980, had he been a Cockney?
NOB: Does he really ban the use of a certain plosive?
G: To a linguist’s mind, he seems almost to specialise in golden tautology.

TY (Thank you in text speak) + RN (Registered Nurse - American because they're RGN's in Britain (the G is for General)) + GROT for cave ('She took me to her elfin grot' is a line from Keats's 'La Belle Dame Sans Merci') + HAD(ES).

SILVERLODE - quite correct, SILVER being a word used to collectively refer to silver-coloured coins, (50p, 20p, 10p, 5p). Do you have that term in Canada and/or the USA, G55 and Urwen? The copper-coloured coins (1p and 2p, and ha'pennies when I were a lass) are referred to as coppers.

You're close on the last clue, Huey. Note the 'almost.' The two words that form the clue are in the same semantic field, but in grammatical terms they don't mean exactly the same thing. They are from different word classes. EDIT: And because I'm feeling generous, OR is one of them.

Knock down my clues, indeed! How VERY dare they! :D

Urwen 12-06-2019 04:22 AM

The first I is Imladris (IRIS with M and LAD inside of it.)

Pervinca Took 12-06-2019 04:32 AM

TYRN GORTHAD: Thank you, nurse!í (American text speak). Here, a twisting cave leads to the beginning of the underworld.
H: Nimble Field Marshal gains direction even as all becomes confused here.
ERESTOR: See him before the decay returns; a sibilant is swallowed.

F: Ask Debussy when it sounds like he sings. It might be after noon.
ERIADOR: Thingolís land is transformed into another, as a fricative element gives way to hesitation in the general turmoil.
L: Heís a lover of confectionery, with only one small exception.
L: Food guilt? Itís confusing when someone lays that on you.
O: His table manners leave much to be desired.
WITHYWINDLE: Shrivel without hesitation, here in France? Decline, after first loss. But on it flows.
SILVERLODE: Fifty pence pieces can really weigh your pockets down, I hear! That considered, on it runs.
H: Here youíll find a stove with tooth marks in it, they say!
IMLADRIS: Girl traps boy here. Mother too, initially, and first.
P: Here find oriental bread, lose two articles, and meet a physician.

O: Flatulent and sibilant childrenís author? (Forget his surname). It's confusing, but perhaps heís sampled this?
F: Spanish greeting for Balinís directionless dad; despite the confusion, itís not that far from where his son lies.

T: Charlatan of a professor Ė looks peaky after much confusion!
HALFAST: Heís semi-sedentary, with very minimal disturbance.
E: An eternally tough dancer, we hear.

RAUROS: Dark Lord changes direction as he tumbles here.
I: What Drogo might have yelled here, in 2980, had he been a Cockney?
NOB: Does he really ban the use of a certain plosive?
G: To a linguistís mind, he seems almost to specialise in golden tautology.

Urwen 12-06-2019 04:37 AM

Second F is Fanuidhol (FUDIN+HOLA)


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