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Huinesoron 04-16-2018 07:11 AM

'The triple element' is a single item and is not used more than once in the word.

Still haven't seen any correct answers.

(Let me know if I'm either being too stingy or too profligate with hints, by the way.)

hS

EDIT: To bring it to the new page:

1. - The darkness a pig had within.
2. - How can it be both bald and straight of hair? A nigh-insurmountable problem.
3. - You speak not truth, in truth! An elvish insult cut short.
4. - Binding the triple element within.
5. - The slave tumbles, black-winged but doubly deprived.
6. - ... or old women, it falls.

Pervinca Took 04-16-2018 08:27 AM

6. NUMEN, the Quenya for west? The '...or' to be what completes it to make something that falls? Or NUMENOR itself?

Ohh - new men or old women (for the 'old women' element).

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Thinking of clue 3, there are some Elvish insults on this thread (below), but I'm not sure how purely Tolkien they are:

http://forum.barrowdowns.com/showthread.php?t=5379

Huinesoron 04-16-2018 09:29 AM

1. - The darkness a pig had within.
2. - How can it be both bald and straight of hair? A nigh-insurmountable problem.
3. - You speak not truth, in truth! An elvish insult cut short.
4. - Binding the triple element within.
5. - The slave tumbles, black-winged but doubly deprived.
6. N umenor - ... or old women, it falls.

We have our first answer! ('It falls' is the straight clue here, as in the Fall of Numenor.)

The thread you link to is distinctly Grelvish (that's Grey Company Elvish); the double-Ls are a dead giveaway. The Grey Company used both Quenya and Sindarin as a basis to make their own language (for an RP thing, I think); it's not very accurate to Tolkien.

#3 is an Elvish word, and is definitely not a compliment.

hS

Pervinca Took 04-16-2018 10:05 AM

I was trying 'crones' for old women at one point. :D

Pervinca Took 04-16-2018 10:24 AM

2. A guess at DOL BARAN. Baran is from paran, meaning bare. Not sure about straight hair, unless it's metaphorical hair (Dol Baran had heather on it, but not sure how 'straight' heather grows).

Huinesoron 04-17-2018 01:28 AM

Not Dol Baran, but you're in the right conceptual space.

hS

Nerwen 04-17-2018 05:51 AM

Ah, Grelvish! Takes me back...

Nice work on #6 from both you- a very outside-the-box clue.

Is #2 AMON LANC ("Bald hill") with a play on "lank"?

Nerwen 04-17-2018 06:15 AM

So "triple element" != "three different elements". What is a "triple element" then, we wonders?

Huinesoron 04-17-2018 06:27 AM

1. - The darkness a pig had within.
2. A mon Lanc - How can it be both bald and straight of hair? A nigh-insurmountable problem.
3. - You speak not truth, in truth! An elvish insult cut short.
4. - Binding the triple element within.
5. - The slave tumbles, black-winged but doubly deprived.
6. N umenor - ... or old women, it falls.

A bald hill with lank hair. Makes sense! :)

There is only one triple element, and I found it by looking at the periodic table on my wall.

hS

Nerwen 04-17-2018 06:53 AM

Lithium?

Huinesoron 04-17-2018 07:11 AM

I wouldn't need to look up to know that lithium is the third element. ;)

hS

Nerwen 04-17-2018 07:47 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Huinesoron (Post 711173)
I wouldn't need to look up to know that lithium is the third element. ;)

hS

Neither would I.:p But do you mean that's it?

Huinesoron 04-17-2018 08:28 AM

Sadly no. I /did/ have to look at thr table for the triple element.

Galadriel55 04-17-2018 10:27 AM

Maybe one of the 3-letter elements? Uub, Uut, Uuq, Uup, Uuh, [Uus], Uuo.

Maybe if you add some "binding" inside those letters you get the word. UTUMNO? But "tmn" is nonsense, it doesn't mean binding. (TNM is a system used to stage cancer, but I highly doubt that's relevant).

Edit: nevermind, there are more than one of these.

Huinesoron 04-17-2018 01:36 PM

I actually updated my periodic table with stickers, so it no longer has three-letter elements on it. Not a clue, just trivia. :)

It's not Utumno.

(I mean, I guess it is a clue, because I'm saying it's not a three-letter element abbreviation. But keep thinking!)

hS

Galadriel55 04-17-2018 04:48 PM

If it was a double element, it would be Bi. :p Maybe T[r]i? ;)


EDIT: just watch it be Lanthanum. Why? Cause when you get to La you trip and fall off the periodic table for a bit.

Pervinca Took 04-17-2018 11:58 PM

There's ozone, also called trioxygen, (O3), but I'm sure Hs wouldn't have to look that up. Do any other elements join in threes of their atoms?

I am tempted to ask if that is what's meant by triple element, but a) I believe O3 is classed as a molecule, and b) I don't think such things appear on the periodic table.

Googling doesn't yield anything for 'triple element' either.

I can only conclude that Hs is a very advanced chemist on the cusp of discoveries unknown to the rest of the world! :D

Huinesoron 04-18-2018 06:12 AM

Ozone is a molecule, and not what I'm looking for. (And to answer your question, [X]3 is a pretty rare structure, because the bonds have to be seriously strained to form it. Oxygen can only pull it off because oxygen is desperate to combine with literally anything.)

Galadriel55, that Lanthanum joke is terrible - I wish I'd thought of it! (Also not right.)

The triple element is named after a person - a real person, not a mythological figure. You can see what makes it triple right there on any decent periodic table. And it may help you to think like a Roman (though it may also utterly confuse you; it often does!).

hS

Nerwen 04-18-2018 08:50 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Huinesoron (Post 711183)
Ozone is a molecule, and not what I'm looking for. (And to answer your question, [X]3 is a pretty rare structure, because the bonds have to be seriously strained to form it. Oxygen can only pull it off because oxygen is desperate to combine with literally anything.)

Galadriel55, that Lanthanum joke is terrible - I wish I'd thought of it! (Also not right.)

The triple element is named after a person - a real person, not a mythological figure. You can see what makes it triple right there on any decent periodic table. And it may help you to think like a Roman (though it may also utterly confuse you; it often does!).

hS

Roentgenium?

Pervinca Took 04-18-2018 09:01 AM

*Goes looking for an element called Thricium.*

Galadriel55 04-18-2018 10:11 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Pervinca Took (Post 711185)
*Goes looking for an element called Thricium.*

*Checks for an element called Iiicium*

Pervinca Took 04-18-2018 10:31 AM

Like a Roman ... maybe it has three I's in it ... 3 in Roman Numerals?

Einsteinium is the only one that works for that.

Maybe we have to look up the Latin word for 'three.'

...

Tribus, which doesn't seem to work either.

Galadriel55 04-18-2018 02:02 PM

The triple I is what I was going for too. But Iridium too at least fits your way of counting. I was hoping for something with a more prominent iii.

Pervinca Took 04-18-2018 02:22 PM

I think Iridium was named after the goddess, Iris. Hs said the element we're looking for was named after a real person.

Wondering if the theme is the SECOND AGE, based on the two answers we currently have.

Huinesoron 04-18-2018 02:29 PM

Someone has named the correct element since I last posted!

...

That's all you're getting. :D

hS

Nerwen 04-19-2018 02:33 AM

Einsteinium or Roentgenium, then. Es or Rg.

And I guess whatever the theme is, it isn't SECOND AGE.

Huinesoron 04-19-2018 05:06 AM

Yep, one of those is the triple element. Poking the rest of the clue should yield up the final answer.

Not the Second Age, though technically I think all of the answers could apply to that Age.

hS

Nerwen 04-19-2018 06:13 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Huinesoron (Post 711195)
Yep, one of those is the triple element. Poking the rest of the clue should yield up the final answer.

Not the Second Age, though technically I think all of the answers could apply to that Age.

hS

Is it RING? Is the password SAURON?

Pervinca Took 04-19-2018 09:02 AM

Ah, ok. Rg is element number 111.

Nerwen 04-19-2018 09:16 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Pervinca Took (Post 711198)
Ah, ok. Rg is element number 111.

Exactly. Element eleventy-one!:smokin:

Anyway, I should have said this before: my reasoning for the answer is that the clue really means "binding the triple element with 'in'", so R + IN + G.

Pervinca Took 04-19-2018 10:07 AM

I didn't see the numbers, because my phone was squishing the element names when I tried to view the periodic table, so I read a list of elements which didn't have them (or at least, not as obviously, if it did).

Huinesoron 04-19-2018 12:34 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Nerwen (Post 711196)
Is it RING? Is the password SAURON?

Yes and yes!

1. S - The darkness a pig had within.
2. A mon Lanc - How can it be both bald and straight of hair? A nigh-insurmountable problem.
3. U - You speak not truth, in truth! An elvish insult cut short.
4. R ing - Binding the triple element within.
5. O - The slave tumbles, black-winged but doubly deprived.
6. N umenor - ... or old women, it falls

Quote:

Originally Posted by Nerwen (Post 711199)
Exactly. Element eleventy-one!:smokin:

Dang, I should've thought of that, I could have called it the party element.

Quote:

Anyway, I should have said this before: my reasoning for the answer is that the clue really means "binding the triple element with 'in'", so R + IN + G.
Correct. And 'binding' is also the straight clue - as in, 'and in the darkness...'

hS

Nerwen 04-19-2018 06:42 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Huinesoron (Post 711201)
Yes and yes!

1. S - The darkness a pig had within.
2. A mon Lanc - How can it be both bald and straight of hair? A nigh-insurmountable problem.
3. U - You speak not truth, in truth! An elvish insult cut short.
4. R ing - Binding the triple element within.
5. O - The slave tumbles, black-winged but doubly deprived.
6. N umenor - ... or old women, it falls



Dang, I should've thought of that, I could have called it the party element.



Correct. And 'binding' is also the straight clue - as in, 'and in the darkness...'

hS

Yes, I'd realised- very elegant clue!:cool:

Now what in Middle-earth can the others be? Maybe ORC for #6, as an anagram of CROW minus W?

Galadriel55 04-19-2018 07:40 PM

1. Shadow - "had" inside "sow".

Nerwen - nice work with the element! I didn't see the 111 at first, it took the explanation for me to catch on to that and the rest of the clue. That's a clever one. Hats off to you and HS for the creative clue!

Huinesoron 04-19-2018 11:35 PM

1. S hadow - The darkness a pig had within.
2. A mon Lanc - How can it be both bald and straight of hair? A nigh-insurmountable problem.
3. U - You speak not truth, in truth! An elvish insult cut short.
4. R ing - Binding the triple element within.
5. O rc - The slave tumbles, black-winged but doubly deprived.
6. N umenor - ... or old women, it falls.

ORC and SHADOW, for exactly the reasons stated. Well done!

The final clue does not involve translating the opening phrase into Elvish.

hS

Pervinca Took 04-20-2018 02:47 AM

Orcs I guess are slaves. Roac (a raven) minus a is orc. Trouble is, that's only one deprived (one letter, unless the Umlaut counts) and it isn't really tumbled.

Pervinca Took 04-20-2018 02:48 AM

Whoops! Too late. I must have been replying to an unrefreshed version of the thread.

Remaining clue might start 'Ulie ....'

Huinesoron 04-20-2018 04:00 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Pervinca Took (Post 711206)
Remaining clue might start 'Ulie ....'

Surprisingly close! Now spell it like an elf.

hS

Pervinca Took 04-20-2018 04:32 AM

I did.

Apart from the elvish letters.

Nerwen 04-20-2018 04:45 AM

Úlairi?


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