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Yregwyn 06-25-2014 06:34 PM

Hurin
 
When Hurian was called the greatest mortal ever do you all think that would include the Dunadan? I realize he was Edain, and the Numenorians decended from them. Also they were privlaged you could say, but they still had to die. What do you all think?

P.S im new if this has already been a topic im sry XD

Inziladun 06-25-2014 08:30 PM

Welcome!

I believe the quote from The Silmarillion states Húrin was "mightiest of the warriors" of Men. That would seem to refer to his being the most accomplished in armed combat in Middle-earth at that time (among Men), but not necessarily of all time.

Belegorn 06-26-2014 08:50 AM

When Hurin left Doriath and died "as the mightiest of warriors of mortal Men" [Silmarillion ch. 22] I do not think this included the High Men who would arise later on. There are several instances in the 3rd Age where other descendants of the people whom the Edain came from are compared to the Dúnedain and are like children next to them. For example, Faramir is seen by Eowen as basically untouchable by any warrior of Rohan.

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Originally Posted by RotK, Bk. 6, ch. 5, p 265
for she was bred among men of war, that here was one whom no Rider of the Mark would outmatch in battle.

There is an instance when the Dúnedain make their first return to M-E and even though they appeared as Elf-lords in bearing to the Edain they met, the Edain themselves would not look out of place had they gone to Númenor.

Yregwyn 06-26-2014 07:11 PM

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Originally Posted by Inziladun (Post 692341)
Welcome!

I believe the quote from The Silmarillion states Húrin was "mightiest of the warriors" of Men. That would seem to refer to his being the most accomplished in armed combat in Middle-earth at that time (among Men), but not necessarily oall time.

This is what i was talking about. I started thinking one day Elros vs Hurin..... or Elendil for that matter. in my opinion as much as i like Hurin, i think alot of the Dunadain would be greater. But i also think as Belegorn said, Hurin would have fit in nicely in Numenor.

cellurdur 07-04-2014 02:41 AM

Definitely it would seem to mean he was the mightiest of all men and he has the accomplishments that attest to that. When we consider he is called mightier than Beren, Turin and Tuor then no doubt he was far mightier than the Dunadan especially in the third Age. Aragorn can not hope to hold a candle to the likes of Glorfindel, but Turin, Beren etc were mightier than most elf lords.

It's also mentioned somewhere that at the moment where he defied Morgoth, his spirit was mightier than any man had ever reached.

Inziladun 07-08-2014 09:28 AM

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Originally Posted by cellurdur (Post 692971)
It's also mentioned somewhere that at the moment where he defied Morgoth, his spirit was mightier than any man had ever reached.

That's not a reference I recall, but it's certainly a singular occurrence in the books that a mortal Man was strong enough in will to resist the most powerful incarnate being in Middle-earth. It's a shame he couldn't keep up that level of defiance after Morgoth released him. Even knowing that Morgoth had an ulterior motive for doing so, he allowed himself to be used, and gave up the location of Gondolin, information that he had directly refused to tell under interrogation.


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