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Enw 01-05-2010 11:08 AM

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Originally Posted by Mnemosyne (Post 617504)
4. The element precedes the creation, says the queen.

Is it Varda?

V (Vanadium, a chemical element)+ Arda (the created world)

Oh, and of course, she's the "Queen of the Stars"

edit: Also, Vanadium is named after Vanadis, another name of Freyja, who according to some theories might be Odin's wife, which would but her in a similar position to Varda. But I digress...

Mnemosyne 01-05-2010 12:44 PM

Yup. Which means we're down to the last one... I've given some hints as to how you need to solve that one, and what specifically in the clue should lead you to the elsewhere that can give you the answer.

Mnemosyne 01-05-2010 12:45 PM

Repost for the new page:

1. Pip - If he'd been named Meriwether, maybe he wouldn't have had such a devil of a time trying to woo the woman of his dreams.
2. Nessa - Lady buried in one's sadness
3. Golfimbul - Foe enjoys sport within kine, we hear.
4. Varda - The element precedes the creation, says the queen.
5. Gil-galad - Unnetted hero and boy become king
6. Teleri - Sailors back up anger, permitted.
7. Argon - Noble Noldo

Enw 01-05-2010 01:26 PM

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Originally Posted by Mnemosyne (Post 620441)
Yup.

So you do <3 chemistry then.

Mnemosyne 01-05-2010 01:54 PM

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Originally Posted by Enw (Post 620451)
So you do <3 chemistry then.

Yup. Not sure if I'm ever going to be able to work Boron into a clue, though.

The Saucepan Man 01-05-2010 07:00 PM

Hmm, my dire lack of chemistry knowledge appears to have counted against me here. :rolleyes::D

I am afraid that 1. has me stumped too, although I believe that I have the Password.

Since it is bad form to give the Password (and thereby claim the thread) before the puzzle is complete, I do not propose stating it here. However, in case it helps anyone else to solve the clue, I would note that (if I am right) finding the Password will provide an additional clue to the answer to 1.

Enw 01-06-2010 11:12 AM

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Originally Posted by Mnemosyne (Post 620454)
Yup. Not sure if I'm ever going to be able to work Boron into a clue, though.

"The sound of the other marsh ends the Boron next in line"?


Yeah, I think I have the password, I'm just trying to work out what the first clue could be.

Mithalwen 01-07-2010 09:45 AM

I haven't got a clue about either.... :( I am not just holding back because I don't want to make the next one up...

Mnemosyne 01-07-2010 12:25 PM

Darn, I'd had such great expectations for this one...

Mithalwen 01-12-2010 12:08 PM

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Originally Posted by Mnemosyne (Post 619447)
Yes. The answer itself is within Tolkien; in order to get there you have to combine knowledge of Tolkien's stuff with other stuff. This will give you an answer that's valid with said "other stuff" but also happens to be Tolkienian. Like a cryptic, in that sense; only not on the verbal level.

Gosh, that was complicated.

A clue as to where you need to look can be found in the word "devil."

Okies...

Well I have looked up all the names for the devil I can find and only "old Harry" seems to have any hint of Middle Earth as in Mr Goat leaf... The devils of Middle Earth would be Morgoth and Sauron.... arguably Feanor as a fallen Lucifer ala Paradise lost.. but I can't see how they would make sense with the rest of the clue. Lusting after the dumb brunette doesn't seem to quite equate with a wooing....

I am struggling to think of characters who had problems with wooing..as opposed to getting Daddy's consent... Not Aldarion, Turin maybe, Eol more or less kidnapped Aredhel...

Gah,... not sure if I am being dim or overthinking or both...

Mnemosyne 01-12-2010 02:02 PM

There's another synonym for "devil" which will direct you to another author's works... find some similarities to LotR names and you should have your answer.

Mithalwen 01-14-2010 11:24 AM

You are working on the assumption that I read anything other than Tolkien.... ;)Screwtape Letters I have read but I don't think that is relevant... :(

Mnemosyne 01-14-2010 11:29 AM

Well, it's one of those authors whose books they make you read in school... That and I've been punting hints left and right for some time yet. Combined with the almighty powers of Spark Notes I'm sure someone can figure this out.

Mithalwen 01-14-2010 11:34 AM

Will go and google spark notes .... School as in school or university?:Merisu:

Mnemosyne 01-14-2010 11:36 AM

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Originally Posted by Mithalwen (Post 621420)
School as in school or university?:Merisu:

Depends on how much the education system has gone down the crapper... ;)

Mithalwen 01-14-2010 11:47 AM

If it were published since I left either I may have to shoot myself on grounds of age as well as stupidity... now on S and haven't been inspired...

Mithalwen 01-14-2010 11:50 AM

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Originally Posted by Mnemosyne (Post 621421)
Depends on how much the education system has gone down the crapper... ;)

We wouldn't have been allowed to say that when I was at school.... not very ladylike language Mnemo...

Mnemosyne 01-14-2010 11:56 AM

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Originally Posted by Mithalwen (Post 621423)
We wouldn't have been allowed to say that when I was at school.... not very ladylike language Mnemo...

Hopefully you'd have had no reason to say that! If you'd like I can substitute the word "latrines" or "garderobes."

But actually I should think that age would put you at an advantage to this clue as it would be more likely that something of the author's was still required reading.

Mithalwen 01-14-2010 12:05 PM

Well I did cop the aftermath of syllabus modernisation which meant we didn't do so many classics... Nothing to do with Kit Marlowe's Faustus? Which I did first year of Uni...

Mnemosyne 01-14-2010 01:08 PM

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Originally Posted by Mithalwen (Post 621425)
Well I did cop the aftermath of syllabus modernisation which meant we didn't do so many classics... Nothing to do with Kit Marlowe's Faustus? Which I did first year of Uni...

Think later. I'm looking for a famous novel.

wilwarin538 01-14-2010 03:39 PM

Is 1. Pippin? (like Pip from Great Expectations (who I believe does not end up with his love in the end) by Charles Dickens (like "what the dickens!", substitute for the word devil), don't get the Meriwether part though)

If it's right though I have no idea about the password so someone else can snag it. :)

Mnemosyne 01-14-2010 04:20 PM

So... ridiculously... close...

To get the full joke take a look at Appendix C (only later editions, though) as well as a character list for the novel alluded to.

Someone who has the Password should be able to take it from here.

Mithalwen 01-15-2010 12:20 PM

aieeee....
 
Since I don't have my copy with me... in the time honoured phrase... I tried Google and found this... I may be gone some time:cool:

Mnemosyne 01-15-2010 01:07 PM

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Originally Posted by Mithalwen (Post 621559)
Since I don't have my copy with me... in the time honoured phrase... I tried Google and found this... I may be gone some time:cool:

WHAT HAVE YOU DONE???

*Mnemo's free time disappears in a black hole*

Oh, well... at least you didn't link to TVTropes.

Mithalwen 01-16-2010 06:14 AM

Ooh I willget to that when I have finished giggling about the interorc fight which allows Merry and Pipping to escape being a difference of opinion as to whether Balrogs have wings... oh yes novel and family trees... ummm I'll get back to you..

Lalaith 01-20-2010 05:51 PM

*butts in*
Well, both Merry (LotR) and Pip (GE) loved ladies called Estella, or not as the case may be. But I don't get the Meriwether either.

Mnemosyne 01-20-2010 09:08 PM

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Originally Posted by Lalaith (Post 622150)
*butts in*
Well, both Merry (LotR) and Pip (GE) loved ladies called Estella, or not as the case may be. But I don't get the Meriwether either.

One of them gets the girl and one doesn't. I blame it on the name, but since Meriadoc isn't a first name in Victorian England...

Mithalwen 01-23-2010 10:44 AM

And Meriwether is? :confused: So am I being terminally thick or is this solved. I am only vaguely familiar with Great Expectations having slogged my way through other Dickens tomes for the sake of my education...

Mnemosyne 01-23-2010 03:54 PM

No character, but you might be able to shorten his name to that of a character in a different universe who did get an Estella.

The only reason this isn't solved is because no one's actually hazarded the answer. The last guess that wilwa ventured was "Pippin," which was very close but not quite correct.

Mithalwen 01-24-2010 10:25 AM

So just Pip then.....? I am still clueless about the password since seemingly it is a linked word rather than a "straight" one...

Mnemosyne 01-24-2010 05:29 PM

Yes!

And the password is up for grabs!!

Nerwen 01-27-2010 10:39 PM

Of course! PNGVGTA!

...Er... wait a moment...

Nerwen 01-27-2010 10:47 PM

I know! I know! It's an acronym, isn't it?

The password is: Papua New Guinea versus Grand Theft Auto.

Am I right or am I right?:smokin:

Mithalwen 01-28-2010 11:24 AM

Nerwen, you beat me to it... ;) but surely Pngvgta was one of the Pukel men?

Enw 01-28-2010 02:53 PM

I was waiting for SPM, but ok...

Paladin, as in Paladin Took

Mnemosyne 01-28-2010 03:06 PM

That's it--the last letter of each word instead of the first.

Thread's yours, Eonwe.

Mithalwen 01-29-2010 12:05 PM

Oh.......... I have been like Gandalf trying to get into Moria ... I have been wracking my brains trying to thing of a link between two Valier a brace of Noldo, the sea elves a hobbit and a goblin king...

I am a plank....

Mnemosyne 02-19-2010 02:43 PM

*bump*
 
Eonwe? :Merisu:

Enw 02-21-2010 08:50 AM

Totally forgot about this... let me think...

Turambar 03-25-2010 05:52 PM

Anyone?


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