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Mithalwen 03-22-2014 05:23 AM

Nope. Maybe this one is more obscure than I thought but it is a "fair" clue and I can't hint more without telling.

Maybe try some of the others first.

Pervinca Took 03-22-2014 01:19 PM

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Originally Posted by Mithalwen (Post 689979)
1. DEAGOL Murdered, confused, gaoled.
2. Will the artist have his day? Sounds like it.
3. Prince is unendingly virtuous in face of Elvish gem.
4. Rearrange twilight right after singer.
5. Great elf confused in church furlong.
6. OLW Relocated German lion king.
7. RIVER-DAUGHTER Flower child?
8. Heart of the Easterling?
9. Future king, from Dorwinion maybe.
10. GLORFINDEL Dwarf took fright initially about direction before guided back to elf.

OK, taking your hint that Imrahil was not a million miles away from the answer, I looked up the Princes of Dol Amroth, and one of them was called ANGELIMIR. 'Angelic' for virtuous loses its last letter and adds 'mir' (the elvish word for jewel), mayhaps?

(Sighs happily - it's always nice to have an excuse to think of those swan-knights). ;)

(And as for the scene where Imrahil carries Faramir from the stricken field ....)

Ahem.

Mithalwen 03-22-2014 01:37 PM

Imrahil is wonderful and he notices Eowyn is alive and is one of my favourites..so forget that not everyone has memorizes his family tree. Angelimir was his granfather, and who knows possibly an inspiration for Faramir and Boromir's name.

Mithalwen 03-22-2014 01:40 PM

1. DEAGOL Murdered, confused, gaoled.
2. RODYN Will the artist have his day? Sounds like it.
3. ANGELIMIR Prince is unendingly virtuous in face of Elvish gem.
4. MAGLOR Rearrange twilight right after singer.
5. BELEG Great elf confused in church furlong.
6. OLW Relocated German lion king.
7. RIVER-DAUGHTER Flower child?
8. LORGAN. Heart of the Easterling?
9. ELFWINE Future king, from Dorwinion maybe.
10. GLORFINDEL Dwarf took fright initially about direction before guided back to elf.

Pervinca Took 03-23-2014 09:33 AM

Password: DRAMBORLEG, the great axe of Tuor?

(Found it in the index of "Unfinished Tales").

Mithalwen 03-23-2014 09:44 AM

Indeed and that should give a lot of help.

Pervinca Took 03-23-2014 09:47 AM

Beleg was a great elf, and I suppose a furlong could be a 'leg,' but confused and church? Hmmm ....

Mithalwen 03-23-2014 10:02 AM

Beleg was a great elf and beleg means great in elvish. It is also an anagram of glebe which is the church furlong

Pervinca Took 03-23-2014 10:35 AM

Ah, ok ... I thought furlong could only be a length of distance, not an area.

Looking for Rembrandt and Raphael soundalikes as we speak. ;)

Mithalwen 03-23-2014 10:44 AM

That one is obscure the others are much easier. I. Kne.w glebe was church land. Church furlong eas givn as synonym

Pervinca Took 03-23-2014 11:19 AM

Just wondering if the future king could be ENVINYATAR (the Renewer, one of Aragorn's names), and if the connection with Dorwinion could be the wine of that region and the strength-renewing properties of wine?

Mithalwen 03-23-2014 11:23 AM

Not Envinyatar. You are over thinking.

Pervinca Took 03-23-2014 11:34 AM

Well, I think Dorwinion was near or by the Sea of Rhun. EORL was a future king and he rode south to Rhun, although he was born in the far north.

Pervinca Took 03-23-2014 11:41 AM

Lorgan was a prominent Easterling - the heart is an organ? Not sure about the L, unless the heart is to the left of the body?

I once used Lorgan as an answer, I think - record and sprinted slightly confused (log ran).

Mithalwen 03-23-2014 11:54 AM

Lorgan is correct. The heart is a little tovthe left in most people. Eorl isn't. By that logic any king is a future king.

Pervinca Took 03-23-2014 12:06 PM

Eldarion, then. He was my first guess, but I can't find a connection with Dorwinion. I kind of thought Eorl fit because he was the first King of Rohan, heir to that position, as it were, before the kingdom yet existed.

Mithalwen 03-23-2014 12:22 PM

Still no.

Pervinca Took 03-23-2014 12:46 PM

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Originally Posted by Mithalwen (Post 690204)
Lorgan is correct. The heart is a little tovthe left in most people. Eorl isn't. By that logic any king is a future king.

Problem is, I can't think of any king that isn't a future king in that sense.

Elessar is a future king, but the name means Elfstone, not future king.

Mithalwen 03-23-2014 01:04 PM

Still no.

Pervinca Took 03-23-2014 02:18 PM

As Eomer's son, Elfwine was a future king of Rohan. Dorwinion is heavily connected with wine. I think men make the wine, although Thranduil and co are well-known for drinking it.

Mithalwen 03-23-2014 02:33 PM

Yep. Since Dorwinion is only mentioned in the context of Elvish drinking. I thought it was good enough

Pervinca Took 03-23-2014 02:50 PM

Indeed. Although, like a plank, I started thinking of King Arthur because of "The once and future king" and that made me think of Aelfwine/Elfwine, because they both sailed to an island ... and then I remembered there was another Elfwine ....

Pervinca Took 03-23-2014 04:08 PM

4. M Rearrange twilight right after singer.

MAGLOR, who was a singer/bard.

Gloam (archaic word for twilight) rearranged, plus R for right.

At first I thought it wasn't obscure enough, but having checked it's the other clue that you said was the obscure one.

Mithalwen 03-23-2014 06:06 PM

I thought that was the easiest since singer ending in r has to be Maglor or lindir... pretty much

Pervinca Took 03-23-2014 07:05 PM

Yes, but I was thinking it was clue 2, which you said was the obscure one, so was expecting it to be harder. Whereas it's actually clue 4. Olwe was the easiest one for me, because I too had once scrambled it to Lowe.

Mithalwen 03-23-2014 10:16 PM

Misreading things completely is liable to make things harder :cool:

Pervinca Took 03-24-2014 11:42 AM

Am thinking RA for Royal Academy, and that I need to consult some appendices. Problem is, there is a highly precarious stack of books balancing in front of the nearest copy of The Silmarilion. ;)

Pervinca Took 03-27-2014 01:40 PM

2. R Will the artist have his day? Sounds like it.

Well, having decided that the answer is more likely to be a day than a person, I went looking for elvish words for days instead:

"Friday : Orbelain (Rodyn)"

This is quoted from a Barrow-Downs thread started in 2003.

As "Rodyn" is in brackets, I guess it's obscure, more obscure than Orbelain, (only one other day had an alternative in brackets, I think), and as it maybe sounds like Rodin, the sculptor of "The Kiss," I guess it would work for "the artist," as if Rodyn could sound like it was his day.

Rodin sounds like "Rodan," I think. I'd pronounce Rodyn "Rodinn," not knowing otherwise, but I'm not 100% confident with my elvish pronunciation.

Mithalwen 03-27-2014 02:54 PM

Maybe I should have put looks a bit likev ir..anyway Rodyn it is.

Pervinca Took 03-27-2014 02:59 PM

Some worthy brainteasers there, Mith!

I finished this one at the weekend:

1. Rumil slain in confusion? Initially, but not by this.
2. Great month? In translation, certainly.
3. Virginia Woolfs destination?
4. Spy a resting place, we hear; then trap note in confusion here.
5. Hamlet adds nothing to reckless eels confusion.
6. Flower returns, gains direction, reveals another. Or does it?

Mithalwen 03-29-2014 06:31 PM

3 Calmindon....I was sure 5here was a lighthouse somewhere...in this case Tol Uinen

Pervinca Took 03-31-2014 09:21 AM

Quite.
 
1. Rumil slain in confusion? Initially, but not by this.
2. Great month? In translation, certainly.
CALMINDON: Virginia Woolfs destination?
4. Spy a resting place, we hear; then trap note in confusion here.
5. Hamlet adds nothing to reckless eels confusion.
6. Flower returns, gains direction, reveals another. Or does it?

The Squatter of Amon Rdh 07-22-2014 03:16 PM

I was hopng to get all of these before having a stab at the password, but maybe the thread will move again if I post what I've got so far.

4 - Cabed-en-Aras
5 - Needlehole
6 - Siril

Mithalwen 07-22-2014 05:58 PM

I considered needlehole but couldn't get it to workmbeyond containing eel... care to enlighten this plank?

The Squatter of Amon Rdh 07-23-2014 12:59 AM

Reckless = no heed. I have no idea where the last l comes from, so I'm probably wrong.

Mithalwen 07-23-2014 02:12 AM

Ah ok. Thanks Squatter

Pervinca Took 07-25-2014 06:38 AM

Quite right, Squatter, you're wrong!

But only on that one.

1. Rumil slain in confusion? Initially, but not by this.
2. Great month? In translation, certainly.
CALMINDON: Virginia Woolf’s destination?
CABED-EN-ARAS: Spy a resting place, we hear; then trap note in confusion here.
5. Hamlet adds nothing to reckless eel’s confusion.
SIRIL: Flower returns, gains direction, reveals another. Or does it?

Siril: Iris backwards, adds L, reveals another flower - "Or does it?" is because it's the other kind of flower.

I couldn't remember Cabed-En-Aras at first, because I wrote it a while ago, apart from sounds like "see a bed," but looking at it again, it's a confused/scrambled "snare" with an "A" trapped in it.

Needlehole is the wrong hamlet. This one's a lot easier than you think. You have basically chosen the wrong synonym.

I don't think 1 and 2 are all that hard, either.

Mithalwen 07-25-2014 09:11 AM

Only easier if you think outside the Shire (and I scoured the Journeys of Frodo) and go to Warwickshire SAREHOLE : anagram of RASH and eel with another O (nothing).

Oh and I thought they were fiendish every river every flower, every settlement I could find tried and failed. Cabed en aras never occured maybe because it is about the only elvish word I mentally pronounce correctly!

Pervinca Took 07-25-2014 03:51 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Mithalwen (Post 693396)
Only easier if you think outside the Shire (and I scoured the Journeys of Frodo) and go to Warwickshire SAREHOLE : anagram of RASH and eel with another O (nothing).

Oh and I thought they were fiendish every river every flower, every settlement I could find tried and failed. Cabed en aras never occured maybe because it is about the only elvish word I mentally pronounce correctly!

Ah, but after Squatter's last one I had to make them fiendish! And if Needlehole had been posted earlier, I'd have given a hint to lead you to the right answer.

I agree that Cabed-En-Aras and Siril were hard, but it's not the first time the "real world Tolkien" card has been played, and I thought Sarehole would be an interesting wild card. It's the first hamlet that springs to my mind when Tolkien is mentioned.

Very surprised number one hasn't been guessed yet.

1. Rumil slain in confusion? Initially, but not by this.
2. Great month? In translation, certainly.
CALMINDON: Virginia Woolf’s destination?
CABED-EN-ARAS: Spy a resting place, we hear; then trap note in confusion here.
SAREHOLE: Hamlet adds nothing to reckless eel’s confusion.
SIRIL: Flower returns, gains direction, reveals another. Or does it?

Pervinca Took 07-26-2014 11:57 AM

Just wanted to let you know that I'll be away for a fortnight starting 1st August. Anyone want to have a stab at the password and/or remaining clues?


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