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Mithalwen 07-26-2014 01:05 PM

Err I haven't been hanging back all this time through modesty. Genuinely tried repeatedly and failed.

Galadriel55 07-26-2014 07:21 PM

Ditto. I had a few thoughts about both 1 and 2, but not enough time to research possibilities, and those that I found didn't work. :(

Pervinca Took 08-21-2014 10:58 AM

Look at all possible diagonals, and the password should be easy to guess.


1. Rumil slain in confusion? Initially, but not by this.
2. Great month? In translation, certainly.
CALMINDON: Virginia Woolf’s destination?
CABED-EN-ARAS: Spy a resting place, we hear; then trap note in confusion here.
SAREHOLE: Hamlet adds nothing to reckless eel’s confusion.
SIRIL: Flower returns, gains direction, reveals another. Or does it?

Mithalwen 09-11-2014 02:51 AM

Lembas maybe for password though it doesn't help me with other clues.

Pervinca Took 09-14-2014 12:51 PM

- - - - - L: Rumil slain in confusion? Initially, but not by this.
- - - - E: Great month? In translation, certainly.
CALMINDON: Virginia Woolfs destination?
CABED-EN-ARAS: Spy a resting place, we hear; then trap note in confusion here.
SAREHOLE: Hamlet adds nothing to reckless eels confusion.
SIRIL: Flower returns, gains direction, reveals another. Or does it?

The Squatter of Amon Rdh 09-16-2014 12:26 AM

I had a feeling that was the password, but only just now did 1 occur to me. I think this deals with the other two clues.

1. Narsil
2. Rethe

Galadriel55 09-16-2014 09:35 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by The Squatter of Amon Rdh (Post 694444)
1. Narsil

Heh, I kept trying to scramble Rumil. Good one!

Pervinca Took 09-16-2014 11:48 AM

Nearly there
 
NARSIL: Rumil slain in confusion? Initially, but not by this.
- - - - E: Great month? In translation, certainly.
CALMINDON: Virginia Woolf’s destination?
CABED-EN-ARAS: Spy a resting place, we hear; then trap note in confusion here.
SAREHOLE: Hamlet adds nothing to reckless eel’s confusion.
SIRIL: Flower returns, gains direction, reveals another. Or does it?

Narsil is correct, but Rethe is the wrong month. ;)

March a great month, Squatter? Were you thinking of "In like a lion, out like a lamb"?

The Squatter of Amon Rdh 09-22-2014 06:53 AM

Nri means 'sunny'. I suppose that could be a great month.

Pervinca Took 09-22-2014 06:57 AM

Try sorting out the "great" before you translate it into Elvish.

Mithalwen 06-13-2015 01:28 PM

Either Hrive or Laire the long months or short seasons of the elves?#

Pervinca Took 06-13-2015 02:39 PM

No. See above. Which month already ALSO means 'great' in English?

Then translate it into Elvish.

Mithalwen 06-13-2015 03:03 PM

Ok, OK I thought you might have meant great as in size but really wish I hadn't tried now..

Pervinca Took 06-14-2015 04:48 PM

They were excellent answers, but the real answer is a lot easier than that. And yes, great in size was a logical interpretation. Sorry if I came across as snippy.

There is a month, in English, which also means great as in impressive, exalted, prestigious. All you have to do is take that month and find an elvish translation for it.

Firefoot 06-28-2015 09:27 AM

I think it's Urime.

Pervinca Took 07-01-2015 01:19 PM

NARSIL Rumil slain in confusion? Initially, but not by this.
URIME Great month? In translation, certainly.
CALMINDON: Virginia Woolf’s destination?
CABED-EN-ARAS: Spy a resting place, we hear; then trap note in confusion here.
SAREHOLE: Hamlet adds nothing to reckless eel’s confusion.
SIRIL: Flower returns, gains direction, reveals another. Or does it?

Quite right, Firefoot. :)

The password was solved a long time ago, by Mithalwen. :) So strictly speaking and according to the rules of the thread, it's her go now.

Mithalwen 07-02-2015 11:44 AM

Ok...I think this should be fairly straightforward... the unlikely tropical heat and humidity is not aiding thought... and NB I may not be online on Friday so don't champ at the bit too much if you don't get a quick response.

1, Horse flesh absorbs elemental metal
2, Crazy dance by the sea
3, Mountain ash by another name
4, Slightly confused Italian takes in French seaport
5, Singer follows direction to form a circle

Pervinca Took 07-02-2015 12:14 PM

:)

1. Hasufel? Flesh + Au (gold), scrambled.

I can think of several possibilities for 3 (all Entish in origin). But if it's a straight password, Rowan would seem the best in terms of the initial letter (for providing possibilities for the answer). Rowan isn't specifically Tolkienian in one sense, but Treebeard is very fond of them and I think one of the Cotton brothers' real names might have been Rowan. Probably wrong, but I'll try it.

Mithalwen 07-02-2015 12:37 PM

1, HASUFEL Horse flesh absorbs elemental metal
2, Crazy dance by the sea
3, Mountain ash by another name
4, Slightly confused Italian takes in French seaport
5, Singer follows direction to form a circle


Carry on with thinking about 3

Pervinca Took 07-02-2015 01:33 PM

Oooooooooohhhh ... Ered Lithui? Ash mountains as opposed to the other name for a rowan tree?

Mithalwen 07-02-2015 02:44 PM

That was the designated garden path. You need to progress on from your original answer rather.

Pervinca Took 07-02-2015 04:28 PM

Trying to choose between three possibilities, based on possible password, but I think it might be an offset/diagonal password. Although the only name I could think of would be Helgi from Njal's Saga, who isn't a Tolkien character, I'll try:

Lassemista

because the other two don't look as likely for letter combinations if it IS an 'ordinary' password.

Mithalwen 07-02-2015 04:41 PM

Not Lassemiste

Pervinca Took 07-02-2015 04:43 PM

5. Nenya? N(orth) + Enya?

3. Orofarne?

And maybe HUORN for the password?

2. UMBAR (crazy/scrambled version of RUMBA?)

4. Maybe ROMENNA? Roman + en (part of the word French, or the pronoun 'en'? although not sure if that would work).

Although 'en France' means 'in France,' so I suppose 'en' sometimes correlates to 'in' in English.

Mithalwen 07-03-2015 06:06 AM

Yes, all correct. Obviously too easy but I hoped, clearly in vain, maybe that keeping it simple might lure in a few new players.

Pervinca Took 07-03-2015 07:00 AM

Not really - I was convinced it was a right to left diagonal for quite a while. They were very good clues.

I only made the last one hard because Squatter was guessing them so easily. (And he joined in because we didn't have enough players then).

Well, I don't think this one is too hard. Although there is one little surprise in it.

1. Troubled knowledge will lead you to him.
2. Trignometric function dislocates itself. Its hard!
3. Alien annexes half a score of valleys here.
4. Unprolific writer shows rabbitlike tendencies?
5. Shire gal who had dealings with Teddy, Archie and Bruno?
6. Unarms a confused villain.
7. Take apart, remove coat, reveal her.

Nerwen 07-03-2015 08:17 AM

Is #3 "Ettendales"?

Ivriniel 07-03-2015 08:58 AM

hey there Pervinca

Tricksy hobbitses!!!

Is number 1. Annatar? (for trouble) Gandalf (to trouble)
and 2. The One Ring? (it's very hard - and it does dis-locate (leaves the bearer) itself by dislodging itself)
and 4. Radagast? or -- ORCS --breed like rabbits, and I've never heard any Orc write much down :)
and 7. Lobelia?
...6. Faramir?
is 7. Luthien
I reckon 3. might be Noldor (in the valleys of Beleriand)

Mithalwen 07-03-2015 02:03 PM

Ivriniel, it may help to be aware that most of these seem to be following conventions of cryptic crossword clues rather than suggestion. For example I think Nerwen is correct about 3 because ETTENDALES is made up of ET = an alien, TEN = half of 20 which is a score and DALES which are valleys. It is also a place indicated by here

.5 is probably Goldilocks Took nee Gamgee... she is a girl from the Shire and I think Teddy, Archie and Bruno are bears who appear in the Father Christmas letters IIRC,
4 I think 4 is Milo Burrowes who got a parting gift from Bilbo which referenced him never answering letters. A pen or stationery I can't recall.

The trig function may mean sin cos or tan is in the answer but I haven't done maths for decades and there are a few anagram hints like confused and troubled.

Pervinca Took 07-03-2015 04:24 PM

1. Troubled knowledge will lead you to him.
2. Trignometric function dislocates itself. It’s hard!
ETTENDALES: Alien annexes half a score of valleys here.
MILO BURROWS: Unprolific writer shows rabbitlike tendencies?
GOLDILOCKS: Shire gal who had dealings with Teddy, Archie and Bruno?
6. Unarms a confused villain.
7. Take apart, remove coat, reveal her.

The three answers given so far are correct, and for the reasons given (except one minor point - Teddy, Archie and Bruno are characters in Mr Bliss, not the Father Christmas Letters).

Mith, you are on the right lines on clue 2. You don't need any maths knowledge beyond knowing the (full) name of one of the trignometric functions.

Ivriniel, Mithalwen is right about all the clues being cryptic. There are tips for cryptic clues - I think on the first page of the Cryptic Clues thread and maybe this one as well ... I will have a look, but my laptop is being a bit cranky and it took me a while to get into this thread this evening.

Your answers were inspired and very interesting, though!

Ivriniel 07-03-2015 11:12 PM

I thought everything had to be middle earth-esque

Sooo instead is 2. Inverse trigonometric function

Mithalwen 07-04-2015 12:37 AM

The answers have to be Tolkienesque. but the clues may not be .. I meant that the answer might contain SIN COS or TAN as an element - and a lot of ME words have Sin or tan elements - sindarin, atani..however looking closer and with hints I now recall sin cos and tan are in full Sine, cosine,and tangent. Dislocation suggests maybe an anagram but I can't think of anything.

Oh I don't own either but I have the JRRT artist and illustrator and I remember seeing bears other than the NPB. Just about all my Tolkien books are in store atm :(

Ivriniel 07-04-2015 03:20 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Mithalwen (Post 700337)
The answers have to be Tolkienesque. but the clues may not be .. I meant that the answer might contain SIN COS or TAN as an element - and a lot of ME words have Sin or tan elements - sindarin, atani..however looking closer and with hints I now recall sin cos and tan are in full Sine, cosine,and tangent. Dislocation suggests maybe an anagram but I can't think of anything.

or - artan arsine arcos (I think), and there - artan - 'atani' - 'dislocates with artan - but Atani are hard?'

um about that 'it's hard' - I can't figure out the emphasis on 'hard'. Are the 'hard' trigonometric functions (or Hard could mean either a 'hard objecty thing' or a 'hard journey' or any of those in the middle earthy word. My head's exploding :)

The 'hard' Maths

Pythagorean, reciprocal and periodic functions - by name (just three)

erm - periodic - Meriadoc is disjoinish and Periodic Functions - are hard.
Pythagorean - Numenorean (if you dislocate at 'ean')
Reciprocal - can't think of any

or for Inverse Pythagorean functions, it's any number that doesn't cross multiply not= 1 or -1. And that's gotta be way too off course hahahaha unless you stretch it - hahaha

Are you allowed to interact with other posters about ideas like this, or are you just supposed to 'pop out the answer'?

Nerwen 07-04-2015 03:59 AM

I believe #2 is "Isen", meaning "iron".

Mithalwen 07-04-2015 04:27 AM

7 Dis.. dismantle is take apart and a mantle can mean a coat

Nerwen 07-04-2015 05:28 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Ivriniel (Post 700338)
or - artan arsine arcos (I think), and there - artan - 'atani' - 'dislocates with artan - but Atani are hard?'

um about that 'it's hard' - I can't figure out the emphasis on 'hard'. Are the 'hard' trigonometric functions (or Hard could mean either a 'hard objecty thing' or a 'hard journey' or any of those in the middle earthy word. My head's exploding :)

The 'hard' Maths

Pythagorean, reciprocal and periodic functions - by name (just three)

erm - periodic - Meriadoc is disjoinish and Periodic Functions - are hard.
Pythagorean - Numenorean (if you dislocate at 'ean')
Reciprocal - can't think of any

or for Inverse Pythagorean functions, it's any number that doesn't cross multiply not= 1 or -1. And that's gotta be way too off course hahahaha unless you stretch it - hahaha

Are you allowed to interact with other posters about ideas like this, or are you just supposed to 'pop out the answer'?

Of course we can discuss things. If it helps, my own answer is based on interpreting "Trigonometric function dislocates itself. It's hard!" as "A word which is the anagram of a trigonometric function and which means (something) hard". Thus sine = Isen = iron. Whether I'm correct or not in this case, that is a typical way for cryptic clues to work.

Nerwen 07-04-2015 05:39 AM

Oh, and "Unarms a" is an anagram of Saruman, the "confused villain" at #6.

Nerwen 07-04-2015 05:42 AM

Hmmn. If we're all right, the password can't be made of initial letters...

Ivriniel 07-04-2015 05:52 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Mithalwen (Post 700337)
Oh I don't own either but I have the JRRT artist and illustrator and I remember seeing bears other than the NPB. Just about all my Tolkien books are in store atm :(

I've never got The Silmarillion far away. Novels get opened to different times in the history more often these days. The North Kingdom is a lot on my mind of late. I've had a look at some of the artwork about Annuminas and Fornost pre and post Angmar. I love bearing with the Amon Sul and Annuminas Stones.

I'll go with

2. Meriadoc as the choice from my post. Periodic Trignometric Functions are hard, and Meriadoc either disjoins/dislocates from Periodic.

Nerwen 07-04-2015 06:07 AM

Pervinca, is #1 "Eorl"?


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