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Old 05-04-2023, 02:24 AM   #1
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Was Pippin named after Gandalf?

Originally Posted by Appendix F
Names of classical origin have rarely been used; for the nearest equivalents to Latin and Greek in Shire-lore were the Elvish tongues, and these the Hobbits seldom used in nomenclature. Few of them at any time knew 'the languages of the kings', as they called them.
Originally Posted by HoME XII
Peregrin (Pippin) - The H. name was 'Razanur'. This was the name of a legendary traveller, and probably contains the C.S. elements raza 'stranger', razan 'foreign'. I therefore chose Peregrin to represent it, although it does not fit quite so well.
Originally Posted by Wiktionary
Peregrine - From Middle English peregrin, borrowed from Old French peregrin, from Latin peregrīnus (“foreign”). Doublet of pilgrim.
Originally Posted by Fellowship of the Ring
Mithrandir, Mithrandir sang the Elves, O Pilgrim Grey! For so they loved to call him.
Apples aside, Pippin is named an etymological synonym for "pilgrim", and the "razan" of his name certainly looks like it was derived from Sindarin "randir". Given Gandalf's apparently long association with Shire-Hobbits, how plausible is it that Razanur Tuk was named after (an ancient and corrupted tale of) Mithrandir the Grey Pilgrim?

Obviously not at time of writing; but Tolkien did go out of his way not only to define 'peregrin' as a traveller, rather than say a bird, but also to give a Westron version which has phonetic similarities to Gandalf's name.

For bonus points: Pippin's father is Paladin, which Wiktionary tells me means a knight (obviously), is derived from "palace", and originally meant one of the Twelve Companions of Charlemagne. It's a stretch, but... there are twelve Houses of Gondolin, and the lord of one of them may have returned to Middle-earth alongside Mithrandir. Could Paladin's Westron name come from a nickname/epesse of Glorfindel after his return? I know, it's a stretch, but it would make sense for the father-and-son Elvish names to be from the same ancient tale.

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