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Old 03-07-2002, 05:20 PM   #1
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Were the Elves of the 1st age more powerfull than the 3rd age ones? Why.
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Old 03-07-2002, 06:33 PM   #2
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The difference is most of the Elves of the first age lived among the Valar in Valinor and beheld the light of the Two Trees of Yavanna. Someone else can probably provide you with a more in-depth explaination.
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Old 03-07-2002, 09:21 PM   #3
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I wouldn't say that, Glorfindel, Elrond, Cirdan, Galadriel, Celeborn, Thranduil Ellodan, and Ellohir were all very powerful elves that lived during the Third Age. I don't think that the power of elves diminishes with time, it is just that by the time of the Third Age most of the very powerful elves resided in Valinor.

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Old 03-08-2002, 01:42 AM   #4
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Actually, each generation of elves is supposedly weaker than the last. I don't have an exact quote, but it is stated somewhere, if not in my exact words. Starting with the Darkening of Valinor maybe, but maybe starting at the Awakening.
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Old 03-09-2002, 12:57 AM   #5
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It can't start at the awakening because Feanor's fea was stronger than Finwe's. I think it has to do with the fact that there were less Elves in the Third Age than in the First Age that would mean there were less powerful ones. It also may have to do with the fact that most of the remaining elves were Silvan or Sindarin in origin not Eldarin.

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Old 03-09-2002, 01:36 AM   #6
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I am not talking about just the elves in Middle-Earth, but all elves. Certainly there could not have been more elves in First Age Valinor than in Third Age Valinor.

Feanor's case was a rare exception. Another exception would be Galadriel, the greatest elf except maybe Feanor. These are the only exceptions ever mentioned.
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Old 03-09-2002, 03:00 AM   #7
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I meant less Elves in ME in the Third Age who knows the Elves of Third Age Valinor may have been just as strong as the Elves of First Age Valinor. Maybe the Elves of Third Age ME were weaker but if so it would probably have something to do with the fading and growing weary of the world.
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Old 03-09-2002, 03:39 AM   #8
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I am not guessing here, there is an actual quote that has somehow evaded my searches, and it states something to the effect that elves wane througout the history of Arda, each generation less and less than the previous. Since no on else has posted the quote, I guess I will try looking for it another time.
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Old 03-09-2002, 10:29 AM   #9
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I'd like to see it.
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Old 03-09-2002, 01:47 PM   #10
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Glorfindel, Elrond, Cirdan, Galadriel, Celeborn, Thranduil Ellodan, and Ellohir were all very powerful elves that lived during the Third Age
I don't know about Thranduil Ellodan and Ellohir but Glorfindel, Elrond, Cirdan, Galadriel, and Celeborn were all born in the first age. That is probably why they are the strongest of the elves in 3rd age middle earth.
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Old 03-09-2002, 09:42 PM   #11
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From The Silmarillion, Chapter 3, Of the Coming of the Elves and the Captivity of Melkor:
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In the beginning the Elder Children of Iluvatar were stronger and greater than they have since become; but not more fair, for though the beauty of the Quendi in the days of their youth was beyond all other beauty that Iluvatar has caused to be, it has not perished, but lives in the West, and sorrow and wisdom have enriched it.
The phrase, "have since become" may arguably be thought of as Frodo and Bilbo having written these lines in The Red Book of Westmarch, which places it at the end of the Third Age. I think that is how Tolkien meant it, although it could also be argued that this is to be understood as weaker in the 20th and 21st centuries of our own era, which I don't agree with. Nevertheless, that still argues for a gradual weakening of the Eldar from their beginning.

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