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Old 05-10-2002, 08:22 AM   #1
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I heard a discussion at school which caught my attention. One girl seemed to think that 'The Two Towers' name should be disregarded when naming the new movie, on the grounds that 'people will be reminded of September 11th' (Sounds like Twin Towers)<BR>Does anyone else feel this way? Or am I right in thinking that this girl is just disrespecting the long history of The Lord Of The Rings?
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Old 05-10-2002, 08:51 AM   #2
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There is actually a petition going around to change the name, in light of the September 11th attacks, but I think it's highly unlikely. She should keep in mind that the book was written (AND named) nearly fifty years before the attacks. And if the movie's name was changed, fans would be outraged.
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I agree with Aosama. <BR>The title of the movie shouldn't be changed because of the disaster on September 11th. The only similarity between the book and the attack is the title (and that is not even a similarity as far in my opinion). <BR>I thought it quite good that the movie, in which there was a terrorist attack much like the one on september 11th, wasn't published on the date it was supposed to be but half a year later. The movie is published some time ago. But I don't agree with the change-the-name subject.<P>greetings, <BR>lathspell
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I think those who are requesting a retitling of the second LOTR movie are being somewhat naive. <P>Those who have the Twin Towers horror seared into their consciousness will not need to be reminded- it will be with them forever. <P>Those who have forgotten, or placed it at the back of their minds will hardly be traumatized by a movie title referring to Two Towers. <P>Moreover, for those of us who travel by air, the institution of extensive security procedures brings home the evil reality of the Twin Towers every time we fly.<P>Indeed, there is a case for arguing that the Twin Towers horror should be permanently kept in the forefront of all our minds less we grow careless of the threat of international terrorism, in which case, keeping the movie as titled could be seen as serving a beneficial purpose.
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Ok, sorry if I'm being a little harsh but whoever thinks that The Two Towers is referring to the Twin Towers, is extremely retarded!!!!!!!! TOLKIEN WROTE THE TWO TOWERS MORE THAN 50 YEARS BEFORE THIS HAPPENED!!!!!! That petition going around is the stupidest petition ever!!! IT'S A JOKE!! I understand that people are still very upset about what happened but they must know that The Two Towers has absolutely NOTHING to do with the Twin Towers!!! That petition makes me laugh!!!
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Have you actually read the things on that petition? Most of the signatures have been deleted, and much of what is left are sarcastic remarks aimed at the person who started this thing. It seems that it is no longer available. I was going to post it here, so you could see it, but I don't find it.
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I think when those tragic events were still very fresh in our minds, and we were all still feeling raw emotions to the horrors of the attack, then people were over-sensitive to anything that seemed to be even a vague reminder of those painful images. <P>Time has put those feeling in perspective for most of us (though I can't speak for people who lost loved ones in the attack.) For myself, when I here The Two Towers, I think of Tolkien, and that his title represents two cultures across vast distances, and the conflicts that they represent in the book. <P>When I hear "The Twin Towers", the images are very different. The two phrases are distinct in my mind. One does not conjure up images of the other. <P>Funny that this petition should be started on the Net, because I've seen far more tackier "homages" to September 11th there, and question the wisdom of the people responsible. But I would not include Tolkien or Peter Jackson in that group.
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<BLOCKQUOTE>quote:<HR> I thought it quite good that the movie, in which there was a terrorist attack much like the one on september 11th, wasn't published on the date it was supposed to be but half a year later <HR></BLOCKQUOTE><P>What? What terrorist atack? Did I miss something? The movie came out only 2 1/2 months after Sep 11; how could they have pushed it back half a year?
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I remember hearing this debate elseware and it made me angry. There is no reason to change the title of something that was created years before 9/11. Yes, it was tragic, but people try to hide from it whether than face it. Changing the title of a movie that has nothing to do with such events is just another form of hiding from fact, from what actually happened.<BR>Some people are just ignorant & get offended to easily. I think it is important to move on and not let such trivial things as the name of a movie make us nervous. I mean, come on!<BR>Sorry, that's my two cents.
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Actually, most of the people who signed the petition were "false signatures". They were flaming the guy. It was really quite funny, some of the stuff that they said. Once the other site I go to is back up, I'll post some of the ones that people quoted as their favorites.
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Old 05-11-2002, 10:36 AM   #11
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In the version of the petition I saw, it even started somehting like:<P>The book the Two Towers was written and titled in 1954, and the two towers of the title bear no resemblance to the twin towers of the World Trade Center in any way.<P>Uh, I think they demolished their argument in the first sentence!
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If the title of the movie was to be changed, the terrorists would score another point.
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Good point, Lush! I too, agree that the idea of changing the title is a joke. Like it's been said before, the 9/11 attack and Tolkien are completely unrelated, and one does not make you think of the other. Whoever wants to change the title is evidently a paranoid, low little ninny who has no appreciation for TOlkien, not to mention too bored and needs to find something productive to do. The title of a movie is not hurting anybody. There is absolutely NO valid reason why it should be changed. It disgusts me how outrageously stupid and fanatical some people can be.
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Lush is 100% right. The other day I got up to go to the bathroom about 12:30, and I heard my mom and dad discussing changing the name. They felt if the name was changed, the terrorists would feel more confident that they are winning. We need to show them(the terrorists) that 9/11, didn't change us, yes we must grieve for the dear departed, but when we resort to changing the name of a movie based on a book written 50 years ago, the terrorists really have won.
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Hear, hear, Gimli and Lush! <BR>I think the petition-writers are forgetting as well that the two towers mentioned in the title are Isengard and Cirith Ungol (correct me if wrong) which are at least several hundred leagues apart.<p>[ May 12, 2002: Message edited by: Aosama, the Wandering Star ]
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September 11th tragedy, Earthquakes in China, Corrupt politicians everywhere, not to mention good stuff like scientific advancements and the approaching World Cup.<P>None of these are more important than The Lord Of The Rings.<P>And I'll say it again, September 11th was a tragedy, it was a terrible day. But I don't think its more important than a certain work of literature that's brought great delight to millions all over the world.<P>So a few people might be reminded of the Twin Towers for a few moments. Not a big deal. It often comes into my thoughts, I'll never forget it. If the name of film was changed it would be an outrage and I'd be willing to bet that no-one would associate The Two Towers with The Twin Towers if media and trouble-starters weren't trying to associate them.
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Here's the <A HREF="http://www.petitiononline.com/twotower/petition.html" TARGET=_blank>Petition</A>. <P> <BLOCKQUOTE>quote:<HR> The book the Two Towers was written and titled in 1954, and the two towers of the title bear no resemblance to the twin towers of the World Trade Center in any way.<BR><HR></BLOCKQUOTE><P>Actually, this is the disclaimer by petitiononline. The letter to be signed is underneath this statement. Read some of them and let me know what you think.
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Nufacial -- Thanks for letting us view this petition. <P>Frankly, from my perspective, the whole thing is distasteful. I say this after reading both the petition and some of the responses. <P> The people who drafted such a document need their heads examined. Some of the responses are equally stange (not all of them, but many), even the ones who said the drafters of the petition were out of line. The hundreds (thousands??) of deleted entries.....<P>After actually reading the thing, I am wondering if the person who drafted this petition was actually serious or merely wanted to brew up a storm. Maybe someone just wanted publicity. <P>I am hoping and assuming the whole thing will blow away. <P>Perhaps others will judge this document and its signers (pro and con) less harshly and I've just lost my sense of humor. But, right now, that's the way I feel.<P>sharon, the 7th age hobbit
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Personally, what could Peter Jackson really do? The movie has been made, everyone has gone home, and oh yeah! He already named the movie with its <I>CORRECT</I> name! Geez, the people who agreed with the petitioner probably didn't even know that LotR was a book! Someone on the petition said that Peter Jackson should name it <I>Lord of the Rings 2</I>! LotR 2?!?! Oookaaaaay, riiiiight, I'll just ignore that ignorant person, until he/she gets his/her facts straight.
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OK. I've gotten some of my sense of humor back and some of the reponses are funny (but a lot of them are just plain stupid!) But I still can't believe that this petition is for real. Anybody know who this character is?? It still smells like a publicity stunt to me, even some of the responses. sharon
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Isn't that "thing " a fake?!!! That's so stupidly unrealistic.<BR>Couldn't it be a perfidious way to use media advertisement, or to know how many potential consummers we would be or something like that...<BR> Whatever! A really bad and disrespectful joke for all the victims and the people who had suffered of the tragedy without forgetting of course all Tolkien admirers. <P>I'm wondering if those people have ever read the book! Damn, Tolkien wasn't even American!<P>Whoever they are , I pity their idiocy and their ignorance.*sadness*
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Susan Delgado - From the news I heard that the movie was supposed to be coming out some weeks after september 11th, but they had to wait half a year.
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I read the responses. Some of the answers are pretty funny. This is the dumbest petition I have ever seen.The name of the book was written 50 years ago and the author is from England not America anyway.If you guys want another laugh read this: <A HREF="http://www.petitiononline.com/blargh/petition.html" TARGET=_blank>http://www.petitiononline.com/blargh/petition.html</A>
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I followed your hyperlink, hanna, and found it so good and idea that I posted my signature...<BR>And found out that until now, there are 5 signatures...
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Yeah, that's probably about the same as the number of serious signatures for the other petition!
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Yeah, you're right. All those deleted sigs on the petition were deleted by the person running it, because they were false sigs. Only a few were actually in favor of that petition. I mean really...come on. How dumb is this?
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I guess you are right, Nevtalathiel.<BR>I mean, all of us in here agrees that the petition is a laugh, and the one who wrote it needs a good deal of therapy.
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LotR 2?? Madness - it's still part of the same film!<P>And man alive!, were the towers even <I>built</I> when the book was published? Wasn't it the '60s or 70s?<P>
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I say we start a petition against the Two/Twin Towers petition! Yeah!
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hahahaha some of those responses were pretty funny! So was the link you posted, Hanna. Hmmm maybe whoever started that petition did it to see how many people would react to it? Unless he/she did it for that reason, he has suceeded in proving that he's a moron. Before someone tries to make a petition and win the support of others, he needs to make sure that he does his research and gets his facts straight so that people will actually take him seriously. (ie- thinking that Peter Jackson named the movie! )HAH. what a laugh.
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Much thanks for the link. I don't believe I've laughed that hard in ages
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i read both petitions (sp) and i laughed until i cried. NE1 who singed the TTT petition has obviosly not read the books. LotR 2?? lol. Petition-starter-person has succeded in providing me with a good laugh, and making a complete and utter moron of themselves. if it were me, i would never show my face in public or on the net again
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according to imdb.com, peter Jacson has thought of changing the name of the movie, but decided not to saying that, "the fans will kill me."
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<BLOCKQUOTE>quote:<HR> will be reminded of September 11th <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>What's wrong with being reminded? We will all remember that event whether there is a movie called The Two Towers or not.
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What person in their right mind would think that the two towers relates to the twin towers?!?!? Its so stupid. Hey, lets change the name of NY so it dosen't remind anyone about what happened. Come on, its so stupid.
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i have read about a MILLION threads on this topic. And my opinion is, it's so STUPID!!! LOTR came out how many years before the movie? {And before the Sep. 11th thing?} These people need to wake up. Why change a name to a story written by one of the GREATEST writers of all time, just because some horrible tragedy happened 50 years later??? <P>Whoo. {Calms down and takes a huge breath.} Well, since that's over, I would just like to say one more thing. HAAAA!!!!!! Yes, I'm laughing at you, all of you weird critics out there that seriously need to get out more!! I'm laughing at YOU!!! I say once again, HA!!! <P>Oh, and Tigerlily, where did you get that AWESOME pic of Frodo and the ring? That is so cool!
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If they changed the name of The Two Towers, I would be horrified. Fantasy has nothing to do with reality. <P>When TTT comes out, it will nearly be a year and half since 9/11. Yes, I know it was a terrible tragedy, but there is a time when we must move on. Life goes on and we can't let one thing that happened in the past change everything. <P>Just because the words two and towers are combined together, it doesn't mean we are referring to the two towers that collapsed on 9/11. If the title of the second edition to LOTR really bothers someone, then they can just not watch the movie! Isn't that what people usually do when something bothers them? Ignore it?
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<B>AAAARRRRGGGGHHHHHHH! </B> Sorry just had to get that out of my system. STupid morons who never heard of LotR. Argh.<P>~*Varda Elentari*~
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Old 07-16-2002, 07:14 PM   #40
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Oh no! It has to be changed! It's so sad! Oh, and Return of the King must be to, as it's so anti-american. And the Silmarillion, because....because....uh, it contains the letters S and A, which are in the USA, so must be anti-american as well! And The Hobbit, becuase it's so racists to refer to only one Hobbit and not the others. And the Unfinished Tales, because it's discrmatory against finished ones!<P> Okay, sorry for the sarcasm, but I had to get it out of my system.
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