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Old 08-24-2005, 01:23 AM   #1
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Do you want more?

I have seen the Lord of the Rings movies several times before; I have read the books including the Hobbit and the Silmarillion. I play the games some, not a whole lot though. This may sound obsessive, and I wont say it isnt, but I wish there was more. I wish that there were more books, or that I dont know. Its such a good story, I just wish there was more. I dont mean some horrible life consuming game like Dragons and Dungeons, or some religion revolving around Tolkiens books. I just wish that the story didnt end. I guess that does sound kind of obsessive, maybe I am getting too caught up in the Lord of the Rings I know there is more to life . I understand that there isnt much else that Tolkien can say (or could say) to complete the Lord of the Rings. I guess the story just stopped. Some times when I watched the movies, I just want to go back and watch them again. Does anybody else share this feeling with me?
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Old 08-24-2005, 01:42 AM   #2
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Have you tried HoMe and Unfinished Tale? They may temporarily slake your thirst for more. The Middle-earth Legendarium feels very real and organic - the detailed histories, the scattered and partial documents, the different perspectives, even the revisions and addenda - and my natural inclination is to keep learning until I can learn no more. It is not, for me at least, the same as other fiction, where I want to find out what happens to characters later: I just want to experience the reality of Middle-earth as much as possible. The books (and in your case the movies) are a portal into another world as much as they are a fictional narrative, and I find myself re-reading things I have read dozens of times just to capture glimpses of the majestic history that Professor Tolkien created.

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Old 08-24-2005, 01:59 AM   #3
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Modesty perhaps prevents Sono from mentioning another possibility which he knows well: fan fiction! I know there's much of it out there, of wildly varying quality, but some of it is well written and enjoyable to read. The Barrow-Downs Fan Fiction site, of which Sono is one of the moderators, has some good stories. I don't know all of them, but Mithadan's 'Tales from Tol Eressa' are wonderful, just to mention one example.
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Old 08-24-2005, 03:46 AM   #4
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Further readings in Tolkien

Yes, and I've found it too, although recently it's been leading further and further from the man himself.

There are some journals which have access to material that was not published in the HoME series, among them Vinyar Tengwar. This post by lindil discusses one of the texts they have published.

If you just want more Tolkien, there are Farmer Giles of Ham, Roverandom, The Father Christmas Letters, Leaf by Niggle and Smith of Wootton Major, all available in recent editions. I strongly recommend the annotated Farmer Giles and Roverandom, as Tolkien makes some pretty scholarly allusions that were certainly lost on me.

Then there's his non-fiction, which often helps to understand the legendary material: his translations of the Middle English poems Sir Gawain and the Green Knight, Pearl and Sir Orfeo are available in paperback, and his discussion of the characters Finn and Hengest in Beowulf and The Finnsburg Fragment has also been edited and published quite recently. Anyone who likes Tolkien's languages will certainly want to read 'A Secret Vice', which is published by HarperCollins in The Monsters and the Critics and Other Essays.

That's by no means everything (thanks be to Tolkien mania, which has guaranteed that someone could edit his laundry list and publish it with some hope of profit); but once you've read that lot you'll probably find that you're out in the deep waters of medieval languages and literature. I can't go into that subject here because I need to do some serious work on it today, but if you end up there, good on you.
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Old 08-24-2005, 01:17 PM   #5
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Ya, I can empathize. That's one of the many reasons why RotK is my least favorite of the films, because it ends it all. However, I loved the RotK book. In my opinion though, the books never get old. There are many of them and every time i read them I swear I find something new.
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Old 08-24-2005, 01:39 PM   #6
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Originally Posted by Turgon Philip Noldor
This may sound obsessive, and I wont say it isnt, but I wish there was more. I wish that there were more books, or that I dont know. Its such a good story, I just wish there was more. I dont mean some horrible life consuming game like Dragons and Dungeons, or some religion revolving around Tolkiens books. I just wish that the story didnt end. I guess that does sound kind of obsessive, maybe I am getting too caught up in the Lord of the Rings I know there is more to life .
Obsessive? No. More to life? No.

Why, sir, you are getting hooked, just like many have before you and many will after you. If you've watched the films, go back and watch them all over again! If you've finished the books, read them again! It wasn't very long at all after my first read that I had to go back and enjoy them again, and I've kept doing it ever since. I wish I could get that first rush of discovering Tolkien all over again!

What else is there? All the extra books like HoMe as has been mentioned, the things which inspired Tolkien - one of my first non-Middle-earth reads was the Humphrey Carpenter biography which then fired me up for more. And the fan-fiction, but what about the RPGs on the 'Downs? There's some great stuff in those and they are a perfect outlet for the imagination too.

Then there are hundreds of critical books, some heavy, some light-hearted, books on learning Elvish languages, books on Tolkien's art, and so on. Admittedly not all of the books are easy to find depending on where you live but the US and UK Amazon sites are good sources, as can be e-bay. You could even join the Tolkien Society as they send out their journals Amon Hen and Mallorn - and maybe you could even end up attending one of the events?

Honestly, you could go on forever...
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Old 08-24-2005, 10:03 PM   #7
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This may sound obsessive, and I wont say it isnt, but I wish there was more. I wish that there were more books, or that I dont know. Its such a good story, I just wish there was more. I dont mean some horrible life consuming game like Dragons and Dungeons, or some religion revolving around Tolkiens books. I just wish that the story didnt end. I guess that does sound kind of obsessive, maybe I am getting too caught up in the Lord of the Rings I know there is more to life .


I know exactly how you feel. I have all the LotR books, movies and games(for x-box) the Sil, the Unfinished Tales and the Hobbit books. I'm in the middle of reading the Sil and I honestly can't put it down. I swear, after I finish reading it and the Unfinised Tales, I'll probably reread them within a week from finishing them. The games I've been playing less and less (dont know why, just not as intriguing as they used to be I guess) and I watch the movies at least once every two weeks. I just wish there was more, like a never ending story. For example, they continue on with another great evil to challenge the forth age. And then they move on and on. I don't know, I just don't want it to end.
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Old 08-25-2005, 12:36 AM   #8
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Let's not forget the ultimate possibility for all of us to keep involved with Middle-earth: The Downs!! There are so many fantastic threads to read on the forum, with five years' worth of wonderful posts. The Chapter-by-Chapter discussions are all open, so you can go back to your favorite chapters to read and post there. I also encourage you to go back to the last page of the Books forum and start reading old threads - there are gems just waiting to be discovered! The possibility of joining the writing team of an RPG on the Downs has already been mentioned.

I think it's safe to say that all of us who stick around here do so to prolong our stay in Middle-earth - perhaps the Barrow-Downs forum is the last of the great embalming rings?!
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Old 08-25-2005, 12:12 PM   #9
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You also sound as if you are a prime candidate for the Shire, which is the beginning RPG forum. Just come down to the Green Dragon Inn and introduce yourself in character. What Esty says about fanfiction also goes for RPGs. One of the most fulfilling aspects of interjecting yourself in Middle-earth in this way is that you can fill in the gaps in the story that Tolkien never had a chance to do. What happened to Frodo when he was younger? Why did the Elves ever get taken in by Sauron and agree to craft the lesser rings? There are a hundred stories waiting to be told.

Drop me a pm if you have any questions about the RPGs on the site.

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Of course the closest thing to another Lord of the Rings is The Revenge of the Entish Bow. I suppose one could liken its sequel to a new Silmarillion, which makes two on the Downs. I'm surprised that Estelyn failed to provide the shameless plug that I've just finished writing.
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Old 08-26-2005, 04:29 AM   #11
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Oh, I missed an opportunity?! Thanks for being so obliging as to help out, old chap! I must have been too busy writing my new post there...
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