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Old 07-17-2000, 05:23 PM   #1
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Let's share some of the lines or passages that we consider 'powerful'...meaning sad, or strong, or meaningful or whatever. I'll start...

This is from the Valaquenta and is the last part of the description of Sauron.

... In all the deeds of Melkor the Morgoth upon Arda, in his vast works and in the deceits of his cunning, Sauron had a part, and was only less evil than his master in that for long he served another and not himself. But in after years he rose like a shadow of Morgoth and a ghost of his malice, and walked behind him on the same ruinous path down into the Void.

That last sentence is awesome!!!

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Old 07-17-2000, 06:06 PM   #2
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Re: Most 'powerful' lines of Ea....

Well this one I made up but I do believe it goes well with the topic. It is also in my signature.
&quot;.....You may beat upon the walls of Minas Tirith yet ye shall not conquer them.....&quot;
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Old 07-17-2000, 07:12 PM   #3
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<blockquote>Quote:<hr> &quot;And far away, as Frodo put on the Ring and claimed it for his own, even in Samath Naur, the very heart of of his Realm, the Power in Barad-Dūr was shaken, and the Tower trembled from its foundations to its proud and bitter crown. The Dark Lord was suddenly aware of of him, and his Eye piercing all shadows looked across the plain to the door that he had made; and the magnitude of his own folly was revealed to him in a blinding flash, and all the devices of his enemies were at last laid bare. Then his wrath blazed in consuming flame, but his fear rose like a vast black smoke to choke him. For now he knew his deadly peril and the thread upon wich his doom now hung.&quot;<hr></blockquote><blockquote>Quote:<hr> &quot;From all his policies and webs of fear and treachery, from all his stratagems and wars his mind shook free; and throughout his realm a tremor ran, his slaves quailed, and his armies halted, and his captains suddenly steerless, bereft of will, wavered and dispaired. For they were now forgotten. The whole mind and purpose of the Power they weilded them was now bent with overwhelming force upon the mountains. At his summons, wheeling with a rendering cry, in a last desperate race there flew, faster than the winds, the Nāzgul, the Ringwraiths, and with a storm of wings they hurled southwards to mount doom&quot;<hr></blockquote>


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Old 07-17-2000, 07:21 PM   #4
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Re: Most 'powerful' lines of Ea....

Excellent, Mumak! Those are definitely the culminating lines of Sauron and go hand-in-hand with the line I gave. Those two passages are so great!

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Old 07-17-2000, 09:50 PM   #5
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Re: Most 'powerful' lines of Ea....

like sam I have always had a weakness for elves.
Pippin afterwards recalled little either of food or drink,
for his mind was filled with the light upon the elf-faces, and the sound of voices so various and so beautiful that he felt in a waking dream.


Sam never could describe in words, nor picture clearly to himself,
what he felt or thought that night, though it remained in his memory as one of the cheif events of his life...it was the singing that went to my heart, if you know what i mean.

Be of good hope!...In the morning we shall have gone ; but we will send our messages through the lands.
the Wandering companies shall know of your journey ,
and those that have power for good shall be on the watch.
I name you elf-friend; and may the stars shine upon the end of your road! Seldom have we had delight from such strangers and it is fair to hear words of the Ancient Speech from the lips of other wanderers in the world.

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Re: Most 'powerful' lines of Ea....

In my opinion, the most interesting character in Tolkien`s work is Feanor. Below is one of my favourite passages:

`But Feanor spoke then, and cried bitterly:`For the less even as for the greater there is some deed that he may accomplish but once only; and in that deed his heart shall rest. It may be that I can unlock my jewels, but never again shall I make their like; and if I must break them, I shall break my heart, and I shall be slain; first of all the Eldar in Aman.`
`Not the first,` said Mandos, but they did not understand his word; and again there was silence, while Feanor brooded in the dark. It seemed to him that he was beset in a ring of enemies, and the words of Melkor returned to him, saying that the Silmarils were not safe, if the Valar would possess them. `And is he not Vala as are they,` said his thought, `and does he not understand their hearts? Yea, a thief shall reveal thieves!` Then he cried aloud:`This thing I will not do of free will. But if the Valar will constrain me, then I shall know that Melkor is indeed of their kindred.`


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Re: Most 'powerful' lines of Ea....

More great lines, lindil and Taimar. That &quot;Not the first&quot; line is actually what inspired me to start this Topic in the first place (see 'Funniest Lines in Middle-Earth' topic).

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Re: Most 'powerful' lines of Ea....

I don't get that Mandos &quot;not the first&quot; line. What does he mean and whats so funny/morbid about it?

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&quot;And it was told by the Vanyar who held vigil with the Valar that when the messengers declared to Manwe the answers of Feanor to his heralds, Manwe wept and bowed his head. But at that last word of Feanor: that at the least the Noldor should do deeds to live in song for ever, he raised his head, as one that hears a voice far off, and he said: 'so shall it be! Dear-bought those songs shall be accounted, and yet be well-bought. For the price could be no other. Thus even as Eru spoke to us shall beauty not before conceived be brought into Ea, and evil yet be good to have been.'

But Mandos said: 'And yet remain evil. To me shall Feanor come soon.'&quot; (shudder)

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Re: Most 'powerful' lines of Ea....

Oliphaunt, the line 'not the first' was not funny. I was just being weird over in the 'funniest line' topic. I ended my statement by saying it was actually morbid.

Feanor was going on about escaping Valinor and something about that if they didn't allow him then he would be the first to die by the sword in Aman.

But unbeknownst to the Feanor, Melkor had already killed his father, and thus Feanor would be 'Not the first' to be slain.

That's why Mandos said this short but dark line.

Read the entire section of The Darkening of Valinor...it's got a lot of great parts.

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Re: Most 'powerful' lines of Ea....

Yeah, I get it now. I wonder if Feanor had any idea what he was talking about: I sure didn't. I reread the first part of Sil, but now I'm reading &quot;The Hobbit&quot;.
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Maybe it's a very obvious passage, but I have always been most moved by the very simple efforts of Sam to retain hope to the bitter end ... and beyond. To make his master's work possible. When it is done, Sam continued to hope and to speak, &quot;to keep fear away until the very last.&quot;

<blockquote>Quote:<hr> &quot;What a tale we have been in, Mr. Frodo, haven't we? I wish I could hear it told! Do you think they'll say: Now comes the story of Nine-fingered Frodo and the Ring of Doom? And then everyone will hush, like we did, when in Rivendell they told us the tale of Beren One-hand and the Great Jewel. I wish I could hear it! And I wonder how it will go on after our part.&quot;

... two small dark figures, forlorn, hand in hand upon a little hill, while the world shook under them, and gasped, and rivers of fire drew near. And even as he espied them and came swooping down, he saw them fall, worn out, or choked with fumes and heat, or stricken down by despair at last, hiding their eyes from death.<hr></blockquote>

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Re: Most 'powerful' lines of Ea....

Yes! Both Oliphaunt and Galpsi have found excellent lines from the story. There are so many - the book is one giant 'excellent line'...

Galpsi, that part at the end on Mt Doom is also a favorite of mine (from the many)...

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Powerful lines

While we're on the subject of powerful lines, I think that one line in the Sil. when Fingolfin summoned Morgoth to single combat is cool (I don't have it in front of me, so I'll paraphrase): Fingolfin challenged him to single combat, and it says &quot;And Morgoth came.&quot;
I think that is really powerful.

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&quot;Thus it was in Gondolin; and amid all the bliss of that realm, while its glory lasted, a dark seed of evil was sown.&quot;

Or: &quot;But now a cry went up, passing up the wind from the south (...) Then when Fingon heard afar the great trumpet of Turgon his brother, the shadow passed and his heart uplifted, and he shouted aloud: “Utślie“n aure! Aiya Eldalie ar Atanįri, utślie“n aure!&quot;

Or, of course: &quot;Hail Gurthang! No lord or loyalty dost thou not know, save the hand that wieldeth thee. From no blood wilt thou shrink. Wilt thou therefore take Tśrin Turambar, wilt thou slay me swiftly?&quot;



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to me the suicide of turin is the saddest part of the entire writings of tolkien.
I recently read the wanderings of hurin -the last[?] addition to that unhappy tale of extreme perseverance gone amok.


earlier he meets his wife at the stone - marking the death of their children .


...but Hurin did not look at the stone , for he knew what was written there, and his eyes had seen that he was not alone. Sitting inthe shadow of the stone was a figure bent over its knees. Some homeless wanderer broken with age it seemed , too wayworn to heed his coming; but its rags were the remnants of woman's garb. At length as Hurin stood there silent she cast back her tattered hood and lifted up her face slowly, haggard and hungry as a long hunted wolf. Grey she was, sharp-nosed with broken teeth, and with a lean hand she clawed at the cloak upon her breast. But suddenly her eyes looked into his and he knew her; for though they were wild now and full of fear, a light still gleamed in them hard to endure: the elven-light that long ago had earned her name, Edelwen, proudest of mortal women in the days of old.
'Edelwen! Edelwen!' Hurin cried; and she rose and stumbled forward, and he caught her in his arms. 'You come at last,' she said. 'I have waited too long.' 'It was a dark road. I have come as I could,' he answered.
'But you are late,' she ssaid'too late. They are lost.'
'I know , ' he said 'But thou art not.'

'Almost,' she said'I am spent utterly. I shall go with the sun. They are lost.' She clutched at his cloak. 'Little time is left, ' she said . 'If you know , tell me ! HOw did she find him?' But Hurin did not answer, and he sat beside the stone with Morwen in his arms;and they did not speak again. The sun went down and Morwen sighed and claspedhis hand andwas still; and Hurin knew she had died.
...'She was not conquered' he saidand he closed her eyes...

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Everyone's quotes are really great. I especially like the Frodo-Sam dialogue on Mount Doom. One of my favorite lines is where they remove the blindfolds in Lothlorien and Sam (I think) says &quot;I feel as if I were inside a song&quot; Another line I like is where it says &quot;he shivered, for it came suddenly to him that it was the face of one without hope who goes in search of death&quot; or &quot;it seemed to me that I saw a white flower standing straight and proud, shapely as a lily, and yet knew it was hard, as if wrought by elf-wrights out of steel. Or was it, maybe, a frost that had turned its sap to ice, and so it stood, bitter-sweet, still fair to see, but stricken, soon to fall and die?&quot;

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A sword rang as it was drawn. &quot;Do what you will; but I will hinder it, if I may.&quot; &quot;Hinder me? Thou fool. No living man may hinder me!&quot; It seemed that Dernhelm laughed, and the clear voice was like the ring of steel. &quot;But no living man am I! You look upon a woman. Eowyn I am, Eomund's daughter. You stand between me and my lord and kin. Begone, if you be not deathless! For living or dark undead, I will smite you, if you touch him.&quot;

Now you just know he's thinkin',&quot; a woman, I never thought about that.&quot;And then comes the doubt.Everytime I read the battle of the Pellenor Fields and come to that part I get goosebumps.


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one of the lines i found most moving was this one:


Then Pippin stabbed upwards, and the written blade of Westernesse pierced through the hide and went deep into the vitals of the troll, and his black blood came gushing out. He toppled forward and came crashing down like a falling rock, burying those beneath him. Blackness and stench and crushing pain came upon Pippin, and his mind fell away into a great darkness.
'So it ends as I guessed it would,' his thought said, even as it fluttered away; and it laughed a little within him ere it fled, almost gay it seemed to be casting off at last all doubt and care and fear. And then even as it winged away into forgetfulness it heard voices, and they seemed to be crying in some forgotten world far above:
'The Eagles are coming! The Eagles are coming!'
For one moment more Pippin's thought hovered. 'Bilbo!' it said. 'But no! That came in his tale, long long ago. This is my tale, and it is ended now. Good-bye!'
And his thought fled far away and his eyes saw no more.


i really thought pippin was dead when i had read this. very sad scene.

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&quot;InBeleriand King Thingol whose power is at rest,whose joy is as an air that they breathe all their days,whose thought flows in a tide untroubled from the heights to the deeps&quot;.

I just found this today , having missed it for 20+ years in the Silmarillion!
I thought it was worth digging up this buried thread to give it some light.

'The dwindling Men of the West would often sit up late into the night, and awaken early before dawn- exchanging lore and wisdom such as they possessed , so that they should not fall back into the mean and low estate of those , who never knew or more sadly still, had indeed rebelled against the Light.' Lindil is often found on posting on the Silmarillion Canon Forum at the Barrowdowns discussion board. </p>
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This is one of my favorite quotes, I don't know why, it just is. It is from Silm. Of the Sun and the Moon and the Hiding of Valinor.

Manwe's answer to his heralds after Feanor refused to return to Valinor and receive judgement.

&quot;So shall it be! Dear-bought those songs shall be accounted, and yet shall be well-brought. For the price could be no other. Thus even as Eru spoke to us shall beauty not before conceived be brought into Ea, and evil yet be good to have been.&quot;
But Mandos said: &quot;And yet remain evil. To me shall Feanor come soon.&quot;

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congrats shade !

That Mandos has a way with words.



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Re: congrats shade !

And so do you.

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the voice of Mandos

I can almost hear James Earl Jones uttering Mandos' laconic lines of existential woe.

It never ceases to amaze me how many 'hats ' JRRT put on to write these things. If I wasn't a christian I would have to speculate on the veracity of the Muses.

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Galadriel and Feanor

&quot;From her earliest years she had a marvellous gift of insight into the minds ofothers, but judged them mercy and understanding, and she withheld her goodwill from none saveFeanor. In him she perceived a darkness that she hated and feared , though she did not perceive that the shadow of the same evil had fallen upon the minds of all the Noldor, and upon her own.&quot;

from UT p.230 [hb]

Mass spiritual delusion among the 'wise' even in the land of the angels.

Looking at that puts our modern situation in even scarier terms.


Lindil is often found on posting on the New Silmarillion Canon Forum at the Barrowdowns discussion board. 'The dwindling Men of the West would often sit up late into the night, and awaken early before dawn- exchanging lore and wisdom such as they possessed , so that they should not fall back into the mean and low estate of those , who never knew or more sadly still, had indeed rebelled against the Light.' </p>Edited by: <A HREF=http://www.barrowdowns.com/cgi-bin/ultimatebb.cgi?ubb=get_profile&u=00000076>lindil</A> at: 1/23/01 4:23:15 am
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Two of my favorites have already been quoted here - the meeting of Hurin and Morwen by the stone, and Eowyn and the Witch King.
But I would also offer this, which always brings a tear to the eye:
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"Utulie'n aure! Aiya Eldalie ar Atanatari, utulie'n aure!"

The day has com!Behold people of the Eldar and the fathers of Men, the day has come!"

Fingon, before the Nirnaeth Arnodiead.
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i loved the tale of Arwen and Aragorn.
theser lines were some of the ones that made me cry

"There at tast when the mallorn-leaves were falling, but spring had not yet come, she laid herself to rest apon Cerin Amroth; and there is here green grave, untill the world is changed, and all of the days of her life are utterly forgotten by men that come after, and elenor and niphredil bloom no more east of the sea"

"Onen i-Estel Edain, u-chebin estel anim"
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these are just a few of those lines that were very powereful and made me cry
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So many excellent lines. Quite a few of my favorites have already been mentioned. But here are a few more:

"Then he raised up both his hands, and in one chord, deeper than the abyss, higher than the firmament, piercing as the light of the eye of Iluvatar, the music ceased."

Ainulindale


"This I say to you lord, with the eyes of death: though we part here for ever, and I shall not look on your white walls again, from me and from you a new star shall arise. Farewell!"

Huor to Turgon, Nirnaeth Arnoediad.


"Well, I'm back" - Sam Gamgee, LotR VI 9

"I am a servant of the Secret Fire, wielder of the flame of Anor. You cannot pass. The dark fire will not avail you, flame of Udūn. Go back to the Shadow! You cannot pass."

Gandalf to Balrog, LotR II 5

And perhaps my favorite:

"And in that very moment, away behind in some courtyard of the City, a cock crowed. Shrill and clear he crowed, recking nothing of wizardry or war, welcoming only the morning that in the sky far above the shadows of death was coming with the dawn.

And as if in answer there came from far away another note. Horns, horns, horns. In dark Mindolluin’s sides they dimly echoed. Great horns of the North wildly blowing. Rohan had come at last."

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Oh yes. Rohan had come at last. I've got shivers down my spine. PJ is an idiot if he doesn't put that in *exactly* the way it's described.
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"Unless the king should come again?" said Gandalf. "Well, my lord Steward, it is your task to keep some kingdom still against that event, which few now look to see. In that task you shall have all the aid that you are pleased to ask for. But I will say this: the rule of no realm is mine, neither of Gondor nor any other, great or small. But all worthy things that are in peril as the world now stands, those are my care. And for my part, I shall not wholly fail of my task, though Gondor should perish, if anything passes through this night that can still grow fair or bear fruit and flower again in days to come. For I also am a steward. Did you not know?" And with that he turned and strode from the hall with Pippin running at his side.
Love that quote, It's definately my favorite.


Another great one is when Denethor is standing on the pyre in his final speech. Perhaps someone would like to quote that one?

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en the world is old and the Poers grow weary, then Morgoth, seeing the the gaurd sleepth, shall come back through the Door of Night out of the Timeless Void; and he shall destroy the Sun and Moon. But Earendel shall descend upon him as a white and searing flame and drive him from the airs. Then shall the Last Battle be gathered on the fields of Valinor. In that day Tulkas shall strive with Morgoth, and on his right hand shall be Fionwe, and on his left Turin Turambar, son of Hurin, coming from the halls of Mandos; and the black sword of Turin shall deal unto Morgoth his death and final end; and so shall the children of Hurin and all Men be avenged.
i love this passage.
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Eru what book was that in?!?!?!?!

WOW!!!!!!

that was one of the most powerful passeges i've ever heard.

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Then Fingolfin beheld (as it seemed to him) the utter ruin of the NOlder, and the defeat beyond redress of all their houses; and filled with wrath and despair he mounted upon Rochallor his great horse and rode forth alone, and none might restrain him. He passed over Dor-nu-Fauglith like a wind amid the dust, and all that beheld his onset fled in amaze, thinking that Orome himself was come: for a great madness of rage was upon him, so that his eyes shone like the eyes of the Valar. Thus he came alone to Angband's gates, and he sounded his horn, and smote once more upon the brazen doors, and challenged Morgoth to come forth to single combat. And Morgoth came.
That passage, and especially the last simple sentence seem to always stand out in my mind as I read that book. Very vivid and powerful.
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'Who is the lord of darkness?' Then behind locked doors Sauron spoke to the king, and he lied, saying: 'it is he whose name is not now spoken; for the Valar have deceived you concerning him, putting forward the name of Eru, a phantom devised in folly of their hearts, seeking to enchain Men in servitude to themselves. For they are the oracle of this Eru, which speaks only what they will. But he that is their master shall yet prevail, and he will deliver you from this phantom; and his name is Melkor, Lord of all, Giver of Freedom, and heshall make you stronger than they.'

Then Ar-pharazon the King turned back to the worship of the dark........
Just love the wat Sauron talks about Melkor, and its kind of after theys words are spoken that Numenor choose's to rebel.
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I too want to know the origin of the section on Turin destroying Morgoth. That makes me feel *so* much better about poor Turin.
But what was Turin doing in the Halls of Mandos?
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The Second Prophecy of Mandos, in which Turin marches with Fionwe(Eonwe-then the son of Manwe) and Tulkas and kills Melkor with his sword, Gurthang. But,this was later (supposedly) discarded by Tolkien.

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The Second Prophecy of Mandos is found in HoMe V. Be warned, however: its validity in the context of the later mythology is dubious.
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