The Barrow-Downs Discussion Forum


Visit The *EVEN NEWER* Barrow-Downs Photo Page

Go Back   The Barrow-Downs Discussion Forum > Middle-Earth Discussions > The Movies
User Name
Password
Register FAQ Members List Calendar Search Today's Posts Mark Forums Read


Reply
 
Thread Tools Display Modes
Old 03-31-2003, 11:56 AM   #1
The Evenstar
Wight
 
Join Date: Mar 2003
Location: Rivendell
Posts: 106
The Evenstar has just left Hobbiton.
Sting Arwen & Aragorn's romance

Just for intrest's sake, I wonder if the LOTR movie made troo much of a big deal of Arwen and Aragorn's romance, because it wasn't as vividly mentioned in the books as it was in the movie. Anyone agree?
__________________
"The love of the Elves for their land and their works is deeper than the deeps of the sea." - Galadriel
The Evenstar is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 03-31-2003, 11:59 AM   #2
Sapphire_Flame
Ghost Prince of Cardolan
 
Sapphire_Flame's Avatar
 
Join Date: Sep 2002
Location: The World That Never Was
Posts: 1,312
Sapphire_Flame has just left Hobbiton.
The Eye

DEFINATELY!!! The movie made way too big a deal out of the relationship of Aragorn and Arwen. I liked how it was in the books much better: rarely mentioned! I mean, come on PJ! Let's stick to the material a bit better, shall we?
__________________
The Hitchhiking Ghost
Sapphire_Flame is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 03-31-2003, 12:37 PM   #3
HCIsland
Zombie Cannibal
 
HCIsland's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jan 2003
Location: Ontario, Canada
Posts: 1,000
HCIsland has just left Hobbiton.
Sting

I think it was necessary and welcome in an otherwise testorone powered story. Although dream sequences and such aren't in the book, the romance certainly was and was given it's own section in the appendix.<P>H.C.
__________________
"Stir not the bitterness in the cup that I mixed myself. Have I not tasted it now many nights upon my tongue, foreboding that worse yet lay in the dregs."
-Denethor
HCIsland is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 03-31-2003, 12:40 PM   #4
Arwen Evenstar the Fair
Wight
 
Join Date: May 2002
Location: Gondor
Posts: 235
Arwen Evenstar the Fair has just left Hobbiton.
Silmaril

I agree with HCIsland, besides the dream stuff could have happened, its almost implied in the books.
__________________
*~Arwen~*
Arwen Evenstar the Fair is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 03-31-2003, 02:11 PM   #5
Meela
Denethor's True Love
 
Meela's Avatar
 
Join Date: Sep 2002
Location: Mirkwood. With Thranduil... *swoon*
Posts: 2,118
Meela has just left Hobbiton.
Sting

Its a little overdone, but very well done all the same. I cried at just about everything romance related during TTT (in a good way) so there must be something being done right.<BR>Plus, just think of the feminist uprisings (*slaughters all feminists*) if all romance was blocked out. A male dominated movie? It'd be banned.
__________________
'The Hobbit' 1st impressions: 1. Thorin is hot... Oh god, I fancy a dwarf. 2. Thranduil is hotter. 3. Is that... Figwit! 4. Does Elijah Wood never age?
2nd: It's all about Fili & Kili, really. 3rd: BARD! OMG, Bard.
Meela is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 03-31-2003, 02:28 PM   #6
Peri
Wight
 
Join Date: Nov 2002
Location: Rivendell
Posts: 124
Peri has just left Hobbiton.
Silmaril

I'd have to agree with HCIsland as well. It's a nice change from all the fighting that's always going on. At first, I didn't like all the changes they made, but then I learned to love the movies for what they were and not for what had been left out or changed.
__________________
"Ah, but I'll begowk ye there!" cried the gentleman. "Play me false, and I'll play you cunning."
Peri is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 03-31-2003, 03:41 PM   #7
Calenedheliel1
Pile O'Bones
 
Join Date: Mar 2003
Location: Mirkwood
Posts: 20
Calenedheliel1 has just left Hobbiton.
Sting

I enjoyed the romantic scenes and thought that they brought out a different side of Aragon's personality. I think that it was important to PJ to portray Aragon with a somewhat softer side to make him more human.
Calenedheliel1 is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 03-31-2003, 05:56 PM   #8
Arathiriel
Shade of Carn Dûm
 
Join Date: Jul 2002
Location: The Blessed Realm
Posts: 284
Arathiriel has just left Hobbiton.
Send a message via AIM to Arathiriel
Silmaril

Personally I loved Aragorn and Arwen's story from the moment I first read it. It's a story of a true, tender love and also of sacrifice...<P>I mean it always amazes me that Arwen gave up not only her immortality but also her place with her family in the Blessed Realm to be with him! <P>I am glad that PJ decided to expanded on their love story a bit and I am glad he did it within the context of what the books implied about Aragorn and Arwen's relationship...
__________________
'I love him. He's like that, and sometimes it shines through, somehow. But I love him, whether or no.' - Samwise Gamgee
Arathiriel is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 03-31-2003, 06:34 PM   #9
Lily Bracegirdle
Wight
 
Join Date: Jan 2003
Location: Bree
Posts: 210
Lily Bracegirdle has just left Hobbiton.
Shield

I agree with something (I think) HCIsland said in another thread: without introducing Arwen in the beginning and fleshing out her relationship with Aragorn early on, it would be really weird in the last movie for her to just show up and marry him! Everyone would say: who the heck is she and what does he see in her? PJ and Co. effectively made her a real character and not just a prize doled out to Aragorn in the end for being such a great guy. Plus, she's needed to show part of what motivates Aragorn. The romance was tastefully done, though I could have done without the falling-off-the-cliff-scene.<P> <BLOCKQUOTE>quote:<HR> Plus, just think of the feminist uprisings (*slaughters all feminists*) if all romance was blocked out. A male dominated movie? It'd be banned. <HR></BLOCKQUOTE><P>As a feminist, I take exception to this. I don't need romance in order to enjoy a movie. For example, Black Hawk Down didn't have a single female speaking role in it and that didn't bother me at all. I think you have feminists confused with someone else. <P> <BLOCKQUOTE>quote:<HR> fem·i·nism noun <BR>Belief in the social, political, and economic equality of the sexes. <HR></BLOCKQUOTE><P>What about that belief is worthy of death?<P>-Lily<p>[ March 31, 2003: Message edited by: Lily Bracegirdle ]
__________________
"But nay: the praise of the praiseworthy is above all rewards." - Faramir
Lily Bracegirdle is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 03-31-2003, 09:52 PM   #10
Morwen Tindomerel
Wight
 
Join Date: Mar 2003
Location: Minas Anor or Annuminas the Golden
Posts: 187
Morwen Tindomerel has just left Hobbiton.
Silmaril

I agree with Lily. Arwen does just appear out of nowhere and snatch Aragorn from the far more deserving Eowyn in the book - and I've detested her for it since I was thirteen.<P> On the other hand PJ's actually got me liking and sympathizing with movie Arwen. I mean when you see what the two men in her life are putting that poor girl through!<P> Girl, heck! she's nearly three thousand years old, she knows perfectly well what she wants and what she's willing to pay for it. Elrond and Aragorn ought to respect her decision instead of trying to pressure her into changing her mind.
Morwen Tindomerel is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 03-31-2003, 11:10 PM   #11
Rynoah, the Overly-Happy
Shade of Carn Dûm
 
Join Date: Jan 2003
Location: Arizona
Posts: 474
Rynoah, the Overly-Happy has just left Hobbiton.
Sting

I dunno... I was always kinda hoping that Éowyn and Faramir would get together ever since I learned of Faramir's existence and of Éowyn's "love" for Aragorn. I thought, "Aragorn should keep is Elf-maid! Let Faramir have Éowyn." Maybe that's why I shed a tear or two when they fell in love. <P>As for the Aragorn-Arwen romance bits, I thought it worked well in the film, though there wasn't much of it in the books. You see, in the books it just kinda seemed that Aragorn was marrying her casually; that he didn't truly love her (think "forced marriage" only not). In the movies, they bring out their love a bit more, which helps in visualizing <I>why</I> they're marrying each other (and I think it also helps the non-readers realize that Aragorn WILL marry Arwen and not Éowyn). Or I could just be rambling. I just spent an hour hauling another algae-eater home for my tanks.
__________________
Spook the spook of spookish spookdom to spook the spooked spookers.
?!?! This isn't Osgiliath!
Do the wave for Boromir the Disco King! Eat squid for Boromir the Disco King!
Rynoah, the Overly-Happy is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 04-01-2003, 12:29 AM   #12
The Evenstar
Wight
 
Join Date: Mar 2003
Location: Rivendell
Posts: 106
The Evenstar has just left Hobbiton.
Silmaril

Yes, you guys make good points. There was need for romance in the movies, but I was just thinking maybe it was bigger in the movies than in the books. Thanks for posting!
__________________
"The love of the Elves for their land and their works is deeper than the deeps of the sea." - Galadriel
The Evenstar is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 04-01-2003, 05:22 AM   #13
Lalaith
Blithe Spirit
 
Lalaith's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jan 2003
Posts: 2,876
Lalaith is a guest at the Prancing Pony.Lalaith is a guest at the Prancing Pony.
Sting

The romance element was ok. Not vital, not great, but ok. <BR>What *was* ridiculous to me was the spurious Elrond-banishes-Arwen-to-Valinor theme which was not only detrimental to the character of Elrond, but also completely changes the premise of Aragorn's relations with Eowyn. In the book, Aragorn's straight dealings with Eowyn showed his noble character almost better than anything else. In the film there is now a question-mark over what his intentions are, and that rather spoils movie Aragorn for me as a hero.
__________________
Out went the candle, and we were left darkling
Lalaith is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 04-01-2003, 10:12 AM   #14
Morwen Tindomerel
Wight
 
Join Date: Mar 2003
Location: Minas Anor or Annuminas the Golden
Posts: 187
Morwen Tindomerel has just left Hobbiton.
Silmaril

Elrond isn't 'banishing' Arwen, he's pleading with her not to break his heart by becoming Mortal, and she seemingly gives in - but I wouldn't count on it.<P> IMO Movie Aragorn's behavior towards Eowyn has been perfectly proper - he clearly hasn't recognized she's falling for him, (as his literary counterpart did at once) but then he does have a lot on his mind.
Morwen Tindomerel is offline   Reply With Quote
Reply

Thread Tools
Display Modes

Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off

Forum Jump


All times are GMT -6. The time now is 05:37 PM.



Powered by vBulletin® Version 3.8.9 Beta 4
Copyright ©2000 - 2022, vBulletin Solutions, Inc.