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Old 01-20-2003, 11:40 AM   #1
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I'm as much of a Legolas fan as the next person, but I think Legolas has started to overshadow Aragorn. In FotR Legolas's part was just right, but in ttt he is beginning to overshadow Aragorn, Gimli, Gandalf even! Aragorn has a much bigger purpose, Legolas is just the elf whos sees farther and doesnt leave footprints in snow. Anyone else care to comment?
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Old 01-20-2003, 11:48 AM   #2
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I think that Legolas matters more to some people, but I do agree with you. Legolas definatly overshadows Gimli, but not Aragorn or Gandalf (I think). Legolas' parrt in TTT is good, but I think PJ has left out Gimli too much,apart from PJ's humor in Gimli - which is not needed.<P>Bye, Elessar.
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Aragorn had far more screen time then Legolas and far more important dialogue as far as driving the plot.<P>Perhaps Legolas overshadowed Gimli but it was close. It depends on how you rate comic relief. <P>Gandalf was not there for a lot of it, more or less following the story in the book (yes I know Gandalf doesn't leave to a bit later in the book ). Legolas was with Aragorn through most of the picture, so it makes sense that he is precieved as being more visible.<P>As far as the balance between these four characters, I think it's about right. In my opinion, what's more noticable is the lack of hobbit time, especially Merry and Pippin. Though, I'm hoping this is rectified in RoTK or in the special edition of TTT.<P>H.C.
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Old 01-21-2003, 06:28 AM   #4
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I don't believe that Movielas is overshadowing Moviegorn, except in the lovelorn eyes of certain star-struck moviegoers. He has not been allowed any real character development (with the excellent excuse that he <I>has</I> no character), and I think that his main function is as advisor and friend to Aragorn. He enables us to see that Aragorn is not some grubby no-name with no mates. Legolas points out Aragorn's heritage to us, and in TTT points out how brave he is for staying to help Rohan. In FOTR he even nicely helps out by taking one of Aragorn's lines for him - pointing out crebain for Dunland (with the notable handicap of never having been there). Hey, wait! Maybe you're right!!!
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Old 01-21-2003, 07:23 AM   #5
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I think Legolas is brilliant, although Gandalf is brilliant as well! I think Legolas is fit and cute!!!!
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I don't particualry like Legolas and I don't really hate him. Aragorn, is my favourite character though. The majority of peoeple with a I.Q that is over 50, and who don't babble on about how "Orly-the bowman is really fit!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!hehehehheheh! Umm, he's mine! all mine! heheheh!" Aragron was the main man, so to speak, in TTT, and I hope he remains so in RoTK.
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Since Prof Tolkien wrote in "The Fall of Gondolin" that Legolas Greenleaf helped them<BR>escape over the plain, why does "Orly" say that Legolas has never seen death before and is confused by it?<P>Has he read "The Lost Tales?"
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Speaking of Lost Tales, I'm not sure we should take what's written in those books to be 100% accurate. Alas, Tolkien died with so many questions left unanswered.<P>Anyway, I disagree entirely that Legolas is overshadowing Aragorn and even Gimli. Legolas and Gimli have both saved Aragorn's life in the film. And Aragorn does have all the important lines and characterization.
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1st of all i wanna toss this out, stupid maybe but here it goes who do u think would win a fight between each other aragorn(who kiks all major azz) or legolas with mad bow skills. As for the topic i dont belive legolas or gimlii over shadow aragorn gimlii is most overshadowd but think of it this way who would you rather see legolas kiking but or a short dwarf with an axe dont get me wrong i like gimlii alot but id rather see more screen time of aragorn and legolas
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Note: The lost tales should not be taken into the LoTR and 77 Silmarillion legendarium. <P>The Legolas Greenleaf in FoG, was a Noldorin elf, who 'remained in Erresea'. It is problably Tolkien re-using a character, like Gimli the blind Dwarf, who is also in BoLT 2.<P>Oh, and Gary, a Legolas vs Aragron would be stupid. Each has his own skill. A better fight would be say Aragron vs Boromir or Legolas vs Beleg, though Beleg would win.<p>[ January 22, 2003: Message edited by: Inderjit Sanghera ]
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Each one has a bow and arrow so unless they were in direct combat, who's to say? In a one-on-one blade fight Aragorn has the strength but Legolas has the speed so I guess it could come down to who got a better night's sleep the previous day.<P>And anyway, Aragorn has this whole deal about being the rightful King of Gondor, etc. Who is Legolas? Just a random Elf that is tagging along? There's no doubt that Aragorn is more important in the film.
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I think maybe a little less of Legolas (my sister's going to kill me for saying that), more of Gimli. That way Aragorn stays the way he is, Legolas backs down, and we all get to see what's left out of our favortie dwarf. OR, just more of Gimli and Aragorn. I didn't really notice a problem with this, except for Gimli being seen as helpless most of the time. Then again Aragorn is my favorite character and I just relished every moment he had. (On a side note, has anyone seen 28 Days? I was not really impressed with Viggo in that movie, it makes me sad. Maybe he doesn't play flakes well, or maybe it was that accent?)
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Forget the three of them. I wanna see more Hobbits! <P>Seriously though, if RoTK stays semi-true to the spirit of the book, we should see Legolas and Gimli drop a bit more into the background. Of course Aragorn remains important, but we should see more of the Hobbits then we saw in TTT.<P>H.C.<p>[ January 22, 2003: Message edited by: HCIsland ]
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Not more Hobbits-more Pippin and Merry. For me the Sam and Frodo scenes were the most boring part in the book. That being said they were still a very good read.
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legolas the book character was kind of boring...fantastic at fighting and everything but not the most brilliant character. <BR>orlando bloom however is a different story, he can overshadow anyone he likes!<BR>to be serious though, i dont compare the book and the film as the same story anymore really, they are too different
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Well, <B>I</B> don't think that Legolas overshdowed Aragorn or Gimli. In fact, I think his role was just perfect. And humor? YAY! It doesn't really need to be so soleum. I have heard many complaints though about how TTT takes away from the hobbits roles, which I think is wrong. In TTT, it is not all about the hobbits. Only half the book or less is about the hobbits! But anyway, I'm getting off the subject. Legolas did not overshadow Gimli, Aragorn, or Gandalf. When I read the book, most of the time, Legolas was not even mentioned, except when he said some weird stuff about red suns and when he walked on snow. <P>My final answer: His part was fine.<P>P.S. RATE ME PLEASE!
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I think Legolas' part in the movie was sufficient and to say that he overshadowed Aragorn is madness:P We all know he's THE King. Just because Legolas had more cool moves doesn't mean we think any less of Aragorn Legolas-in-books might not have been as exciting as Legolas-in-movie but he's definitely not a boring character(to me at least). The only character I dislike in the books is Frodo.. he just didnt seem very likeable.
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I think they had to show someone who could go past human standards, just to make the movie better.<P>Burzdol
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I don't think Legolas eclipsed Aragorn or Gimli...certain crazed fans just pay more attention to Orlando. Also, I thought that Merry and Pippin got enough time in TTT. After all, we don't see much of their character development until they get assigned to Theoden and Denethor. I always thought of their role in TTT as more of a "survivalist" kinda thing where they have been cut off from their guardians and forced to survive. Their only meaningful development or influence in TTT is their "rousing" of the ents. I could be wrong though...
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Actually, Eomer of the Rohirrim, Legolas was a prince. Not a very important one, buit still royalty. i'm sur you knew that, you just forgot, and thought that he was a random elf.<BR>
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Oh, I see your point.<p>[ May 30, 2003: Message edited by: dunadan_aragorn ]
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i think that the only reason why legolas appears to have a bigger part then aragorn is because of the actor's looks. if they picked an uglyer actor then he wouldnt appear so prevelant in the movie(did i spell prevelant right?)
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maybe i'm worng about this, but i think that aragorn still has a bigger part than legolas. legolas's just seems bigger b/c it's larger than it was in the books.
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Of course Aragorn has a bigger part, but Legolas is made to seem a bit "high up" and more important than he was in the books, I think.<P>~Menelien
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the only reason why it seems bigger is cause its bigger than in the books, but thats because PJ probably saw how many chicks like him and he said"hmmm if i put more legolas in the movie, more chicks will go see it and then ill be swimming in money!"(well maybe not exactly like that ) and then they expanded his role!
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<BLOCKQUOTE>quote:<HR> Of course Aragorn has a bigger part, but Legolas is made to seem a bit "high up" and more important than he was in the books, I think. <HR></BLOCKQUOTE><P>Yeah, I quite agree with you. But I think that Legolas had an inportant role in the books too. Legolas became so good freinds with Gimli, and that was taken notice of, by me (I don't know if anyone else feel the same way). Because the elves and the dwarves weren't "supposed" to be "freinds". I don't know if yu know what I mean....<P>~Orofâniel~<P>
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Gimli should of had more screen time!!!Even though it was such a big improvement from FOTR, i still think he should of had more!!!He is such a great character!!!
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Too true, Frodo 007...<BR>And it's 'prevalent' I think<BR> <BLOCKQUOTE>quote:<HR>I don't particualry like Legolas and I don't really hate him. Aragorn, is my favourite character though. The majority of peoeple with a I.Q that is over 50, and who don't babble on about how "Orly-the bowman is really fit!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!hehehehheheh! Umm, he's mine! all mine! heheheh!" Aragron was the main man, so to speak, in TTT, and I hope he remains so in RoTK. <HR></BLOCKQUOTE><BR>*Clears throat* OI! I love Orlando Bloom's Legolas! I also think that Aragorn is the more important character! And I have an IQ over 50! And I don't babble like that that much...well I try not to anyway But even with all the attention I was paying to Legolas, I think Aragorn still came out as the stronger character, though yes it was annoying how Gimli was almost the object of ridicule. And I think that Frodo in the film has been portrayed too weak and helpless...he was able to stand up for himself a bit more in the book, like at Weathertop and the Ford.
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<BLOCKQUOTE>quote:<HR>I don't particualry like Legolas and I don't really hate him. Aragorn, is my favourite character though. The majority of people with a I.Q that is over 50, and who don't babble on about how "Orly-the bowman is really fit!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!hehehehheheh! Umm, he's mine! all mine! heheheh!" Aragorn was the main man, so to speak, in TTT, and I hope he remains so in RoTK.<HR></BLOCKQUOTE> <P>*laughs* I completely agree. Elessar is my favourite too.
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I agree that Legolas' character int he movie did over-shadowed Gimli, I don't think it over-shadowed Aaragorn. About the "Orly" fangirl thing, I have two friends of that type. If you walk up to one of them and say "he is ugly" she will either a: filp you off, or b: attempt to strangle you. Maybe I should call her more of an "orly" obsessor.
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Ok this topic is just silly but I am going to give my opinion anyway. I don't think that Legolas is overshadowing Aragorn at all. Everyone and their brother knows that Aragorn is Isildur's heir but no one seems to care that Legolas is the Prince of Eyrn Lasgallen. (Green Wood the Great) Poor Legolas never got any credit for who he is, not in the books and not in the movie. :walks out slams door:
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I agree. Everybody thinks that Legolas is just another Elf roaming around Middle-earth. No respect. He's a freakin prince people!<P>Nehani of the Forests
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Legolas's role in TTT just seemed bigger because there were a lot more battles in that movie than there were in FotR. [as I see it,]Legolas was in the Fellowship primarily to do sniper duty. Therefore, when there are more bad guys to see/kill, Legolas gets to do more stuff. Or maybe PJ wanted to give Legolas a bunch of scenes before he gets overshadowed by Aragorn in <I>Return of the <B>King</B></I>!!!! The 3rd book <I>is</I> named for Aragorn, so hopefully PJ will pay more attention to him. And the hobbits too. If their stories aren't done right I'll kill something...
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I know I am the upteenth one to say it, but i do not think Legolas overshadows Aragorn, just seems to appear much more in TTT. if he is overshadowing anyone, it is our favorite dwarf, Gimli, whom, I think we can all agree on this one, seems to have always been the most overshadowed character in the Fellowship in both movies. But that doesnt make him any less like by me!!!I think the fact that Legolas and Aragorn are together so much in TTT just makes it seem like Legolas is stepping up, but I think thats because the Fellowship is so split up now. Anyway, just my opinion! To all their own, I suppose!
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Old 07-24-2003, 05:27 PM   #36
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I have to say I don't really agree that Legolas is overshadowing Aragorn....I think the movies still make it pretty clear that Aragorn is "the guy" and Legolas, along with Gimli and to a certain extent, Gandalf are helping him to reach his appointed place. The thing is however, Legolas' special skills are portrayed awesomely. The keen eyesight and the bowmanship and stuff. I have to say Legolas is the MVP of the fellowship (I especially like the part where he's firing on the wargs and does that crazy thing to hop up on his horse) but I feel Aragorn is given his due for sure.....I don't really like how Gimli is used for laughs though....it seems between the two movies his character has instantaneously changed. At the end of fellowship he's still pretty much a cranky cantankerous dwarf but almost from the get-go of TTT he's comic relief.....blah.....still UBER pumped for ROTK though
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Old 07-26-2003, 03:39 PM   #38
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Hello. I think Legolas overshadowed Gimli a lot. And just so you know, I think the Orlando Bloom craze is nuts, and Aragorn is WAY better in the movies. He IS a King after all, AND a ranger. That's enough for me. Toodles. <P>-Alaruid the Wanderer
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Old 01-09-2004, 08:46 AM   #40
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Thought I'd revive this, now that ROTK is out...and it was funny seeing my old post (I was Elentári).<P>I still think Aragorn is more important than Leggy both in the books and the movies, although Leggy without a doubt gets the better stunts. <BR>I was pleased to see that Legolas was treated more as a prince at the coronation than just a random Elf.<BR>As for why we all love the Elf? Who knows?! It isn't like you can really help it anyway...but it's up to you how much you obssess over it or whatever. The screams and stuff really are rather uncontrollable, I'm afraid!<BR>Actually, there isn't too much point in reviving this because so few people thought Leggy did overshadow Aragorn. But I did get the impression that there was even less Gimli this time. Or was that just me?
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