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Turambar · 03-28-2006, 07:46 PM

URWEN – Ur is the old city, and wen is “novel” backwards.

Good one.

**The Saucepan Man** · 03-29-2006, 02:24 AM

Thanks. That's the one.

Turambar · 03-29-2006, 04:57 PM

Marring of shoe revealed a fearless man.

Morsul the Dark · 03-30-2006, 08:34 AM

Well Marrid means to disfigure so i take that as changing shoe into a synonym which then becomes loafer which is a synonym for strider

Strider?

Turambar · 03-30-2006, 08:38 AM

Not Strider, but you're sort of on the right track. A more obscure synonym is needed.

Morsul the Dark · 03-30-2006, 08:43 AM

more obscuer would be the synamatic phrase

"marring of shoe"
to
"give the shoes off his feet"(granted not used often but as i recall its used for those with gambling problems)

coincidentley gamling is a fearless commander in the battle of the hornberg

Turambar · 04-03-2006, 07:27 AM

Ah, now you're on the wrong track.

Morsul the Dark · 04-04-2006, 08:12 AM

or disfifiguring of shoe(which could work in two ways) shoe becomes horse and if you disfure a shoe it could be reffering to the shape of a horseshoe which leads to a horse and a horse that is also a fearless man is of course Brgo

Brego

Turambar · 04-04-2006, 10:45 AM

It's not that complicated. There's a word that means a certain type of large shoe - scramble that and you have a fearless man who aided Aragorn in the WotR.

Diamond18 · 05-18-2006, 01:01 AM

Halbarad.

How to scramble that into a shoe, I don't know, but it's the best I can think of.

Turambar · 05-23-2006, 05:40 PM

Close enough.

It was Angbor - a n anagram of brogan.

Take it away, Diamond18.

Diamond18 · 05-23-2006, 09:49 PM

Ask me how to snag an elven flower and I'll teach you how to shovel an orc.

Mithalwen · 05-25-2006, 09:38 AM

Snaga? " Snag an elven " Snaga was an orc...

Diamond18 · 05-25-2006, 01:24 PM

That is correct but I'm looking for two answers to the clue.

Mithalwen · 05-25-2006, 01:30 PM

Is flower a river in this context?

Diamond18 · 05-25-2006, 01:48 PM

No

Diamond18 · 05-27-2006, 01:04 PM

It's Snaga and Elanor.

Ask me how to snag an elven flower and I'll teach you how to shovel an orc.

Mith, you can go next.

Mithalwen · 05-28-2006, 10:46 AM

That was stupid of me ... I was thinking Elanor as an elven flower and despite having seen snanga didn't notice !!!

No good follows an imperfectly broken heart. Replace with a broken spanner?

Diamond18 · 05-30-2006, 11:48 PM

I'm quite stumped. A little hint, please? *looks sweet and helpless*

Mithalwen · 06-01-2006, 01:01 PM

Ooh I thought noone was trying... ok well if a flower can be a river in cross words ( ie something that flows) then a spanner might be ....? And it would have been kinder for me to write re. place with a broken spanner

Diamond18 · 06-01-2006, 02:16 PM

Ah, now I get the river=flower connection (was confused about that before!) but I don't have an answer yet. This is really quite tricky.... Must give it some thought.

Diamond18 · 06-01-2006, 02:19 PM

Well, on second thought, I'll throw out an off the cuff guess just to get it out of the way:

The Bridge of Khazad Dum? It's a bridge, ie something that spans, and as I recall, it was broken. Not sure how to reconcile it with the first part.

Anyway, I wanted to rule that out before thinking about it any further.

Mithalwen · 06-01-2006, 02:31 PM

A spanner is a bridge but remember the clue is "re place with broken spanner" Ie it is the place with the broken bridge not the bridge itself. Not Kahazad dum but not so far geographically. Now see if you can get the place name from the first part of the clue

**The Saucepan Man** · 06-01-2006, 05:17 PM

Aha!

Imperfectly broken heart = an anagram of heart, but missing one letter = Thar
No good = bad

There was a broken bridge at Tharbad.

Mithalwen · 06-02-2006, 06:25 AM

Exactly.

I will have to see if I can work butter into a clue sometime

**The Saucepan Man** · 06-06-2006, 02:56 AM

Cheers, Mith.

Next up:

Maritime HQ found at end of paradise island, replacing capital of pirates' cove.

Orome · 06-08-2006, 09:06 PM

so i think i have worked out part of it. would the maritime HQ be Lighthouse?

**The Saucepan Man** · 06-09-2006, 02:19 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Orome

would the maritime HQ be Lighthouse?

'Fraid not.

Rune Son of Bjarne · 06-14-2006, 04:31 PM

It must be the Eämbar

**The Saucepan Man** · 06-19-2006, 07:07 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Rune

It must be the Eämbar

Answers not accepted without explanation ...

Rune Son of Bjarne · 06-19-2006, 07:43 PM

I hoped I could sneek around that. . .

I am not sure I will get this right.

The maritime HQ is the Eämbar, because it was build by Aldarion who used it as house and command center, it also served as meeting place for the guild of ventures.

Paradise Island must then be Tol Unien where it was normaly moored.

what cannot find out is if capital of pirates cove is supposed to be. It must either be Armenelos or Rómenna. But Armenelos is not at a cove (unless cove has another meaning that I do not know of) and Rómenna is not a capital.

I guess this means I wont get the thread, but I still think I did a pretty good job.

**The Saucepan Man** · 06-19-2006, 07:48 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Rune

I guess this means I wont get the thread, but I still think I did a pretty good job.

Nah, I'm not that cruel. You got the answer right and made a good effort to explain it, so the thread is yours.

The full explanation:

Paradise island = Tol Eresseä
Pirates' cove = Umbar

The end of the first (eä) replaces the capital of the second to produce the maritime HQ which is, as you have correctly stated, Eämbar.

Take it away, Rune.

Rune Son of Bjarne · 06-20-2006, 02:30 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by The Saucepan Man

Nah, I'm not that cruel. You got the answer right and made a good effort to explain it, so the thread is yours.

The full explanation:

Paradise island = Tol Eresseä
Pirates' cove = Umbar

The end of the first (eä) replaces the capital of the second to produce the maritime HQ which is, as you have correctly stated, Eämbar.

Take it away, Rune.

It is funny, when I first saw the clues, I thought about Umbar and Tol Eresseä was in my consideration at one point. However I abandoned both rather quickly because it did not make any sence.

Ayways I will be back later today with some new clues.

Rune Son of Bjarne · 07-20-2006, 12:53 PM

Sorry that I forgot about this thread, I realy am!

Would somebody else care to take over for me as I am going away for a week, from Saturday morning ?

Morsul the Dark · 08-29-2006, 06:33 PM

Agent almost was Bleached Black

Rune Son of Bjarne · 08-30-2006, 08:02 AM

Is Agent = Elrond ?

Gil-Galad · 08-30-2006, 02:46 PM

agent makes me think of Thorongil, A.K.A. Aragorn

Morsul the Dark · 08-30-2006, 03:52 PM

nope...it is a person however

Morsul the Dark · 09-09-2006, 02:47 PM

Rephrasing the clue

Former Agent Was Almost This Washed out Black Dude, Metal Head was instead

its way too easy now

The Squatter of Amon Rûdh · 09-14-2006, 07:12 AM

It looks as though this could be Head of the White Council, but it relies on some contorted reasoning.

Washed-out black is grey, which implies either Gandalf or Thingol Grey-cloak. If we assume this means Gandalf, metal-head would be Saruman, whom Treebeard describes as having a mind of metal and wheels. The only position nearly occupied by Gandalf but eventually taken by Saruman is head of the White Council. One could say 'White wizard', although Gandalf does eventually become this. The problem seems to be that this isn't a person either, and 'this washed-out black dude' seems to suggest that the answer is Gandalf, or somebody else associated with grey. None of this really addresses 'former agent', which in a conventional cryptic clue would be 'ex spy' or 'ex rep'. All of which is but to say 'search me'.

03-28-2006, 07:46 PM	#761
Turambar Ghost Prince of Cardolan Join Date: Sep 2001 Location: Non-Stop Home Posts: 859	URWEN – Ur is the old city, and wen is “novel” backwards. Good one. __________________ In the upper air the fireflies move more slowly.

03-29-2006, 02:24 AM	#762
The Saucepan Man Corpus Cacophonous Join Date: Jan 2003 Location: A green and pleasant land Posts: 8,390	Thanks. That's the one. __________________ Do you mind? I'm busy doing the fishstick. It's a very delicate state of mind!

03-29-2006, 04:57 PM	#763
Turambar Ghost Prince of Cardolan Join Date: Sep 2001 Location: Non-Stop Home Posts: 859	Reflect, ponder, excogitate, reply Marring of shoe revealed a fearless man. __________________ In the upper air the fireflies move more slowly. Last edited by Turambar; 03-29-2006 at 07:20 PM.

03-30-2006, 08:34 AM	#764
Morsul the Dark Ghost Prince of Cardolan Join Date: May 2004 Posts: 3,448	Well Marrid means to disfigure so i take that as changing shoe into a synonym which then becomes loafer which is a synonym for strider Strider? __________________ Morsul the Resurrected

03-30-2006, 08:38 AM	#765
Turambar Ghost Prince of Cardolan Join Date: Sep 2001 Location: Non-Stop Home Posts: 859	Not Strider, but you're sort of on the right track. A more obscure synonym is needed. __________________ In the upper air the fireflies move more slowly.

03-30-2006, 08:43 AM	#766
Morsul the Dark Ghost Prince of Cardolan Join Date: May 2004 Posts: 3,448	more obscuer would be the synamatic phrase "marring of shoe" to "give the shoes off his feet"(granted not used often but as i recall its used for those with gambling problems) coincidentley gamling is a fearless commander in the battle of the hornberg __________________ Morsul the Resurrected

04-03-2006, 07:27 AM	#767
Turambar Ghost Prince of Cardolan Join Date: Sep 2001 Location: Non-Stop Home Posts: 859	Ah, now you're on the wrong track. __________________ In the upper air the fireflies move more slowly.

04-04-2006, 08:12 AM	#768
Morsul the Dark Ghost Prince of Cardolan Join Date: May 2004 Posts: 3,448	or disfifiguring of shoe(which could work in two ways) shoe becomes horse and if you disfure a shoe it could be reffering to the shape of a horseshoe which leads to a horse and a horse that is also a fearless man is of course Brgo Brego __________________ Morsul the Resurrected

04-04-2006, 10:45 AM	#769
Turambar Ghost Prince of Cardolan Join Date: Sep 2001 Location: Non-Stop Home Posts: 859	It's not that complicated. There's a word that means a certain type of large shoe - scramble that and you have a fearless man who aided Aragorn in the WotR. __________________ In the upper air the fireflies move more slowly.

05-18-2006, 01:01 AM	#770
Diamond18 Eidolon of a Took Join Date: Sep 2002 Location: my own private fantasy world Posts: 3,460	Halbarad. How to scramble that into a shoe, I don't know, but it's the best I can think of. __________________ All shall be rather fond of me and suffer from mild depression.

05-23-2006, 05:40 PM	#771
Turambar Ghost Prince of Cardolan Join Date: Sep 2001 Location: Non-Stop Home Posts: 859	Close enough. It was Angbor - a n anagram of brogan. Take it away, Diamond18. __________________ In the upper air the fireflies move more slowly.

05-23-2006, 09:49 PM	#772
Diamond18 Eidolon of a Took Join Date: Sep 2002 Location: my own private fantasy world Posts: 3,460	Ask me how to snag an elven flower and I'll teach you how to shovel an orc. __________________ All shall be rather fond of me and suffer from mild depression.

05-25-2006, 09:38 AM	#773
Mithalwen Pilgrim Soul Join Date: May 2004 Location: watching the wonga-wonga birds circle... Posts: 9,458	Snaga? " Snag an elven " Snaga was an orc... __________________ “But Finrod walks with Finarfin his father beneath the trees in Eldamar.” Christopher Tolkien, Requiescat in pace

05-25-2006, 01:24 PM	#774
Diamond18 Eidolon of a Took Join Date: Sep 2002 Location: my own private fantasy world Posts: 3,460	That is correct but I'm looking for two answers to the clue. __________________ All shall be rather fond of me and suffer from mild depression.

05-25-2006, 01:30 PM	#775
Mithalwen Pilgrim Soul Join Date: May 2004 Location: watching the wonga-wonga birds circle... Posts: 9,458	Is flower a river in this context? __________________ “But Finrod walks with Finarfin his father beneath the trees in Eldamar.” Christopher Tolkien, Requiescat in pace

05-25-2006, 01:48 PM	#776
Diamond18 Eidolon of a Took Join Date: Sep 2002 Location: my own private fantasy world Posts: 3,460	No __________________ All shall be rather fond of me and suffer from mild depression.

05-27-2006, 01:04 PM	#777
Diamond18 Eidolon of a Took Join Date: Sep 2002 Location: my own private fantasy world Posts: 3,460	It's Snaga and Elanor. Ask me how to snag an elven flower and I'll teach you how to shovel an orc. Mith, you can go next. __________________ All shall be rather fond of me and suffer from mild depression.

05-28-2006, 10:46 AM	#778
Mithalwen Pilgrim Soul Join Date: May 2004 Location: watching the wonga-wonga birds circle... Posts: 9,458	That was stupid of me ... I was thinking Elanor as an elven flower and despite having seen snanga didn't notice !!! No good follows an imperfectly broken heart. Replace with a broken spanner? __________________ “But Finrod walks with Finarfin his father beneath the trees in Eldamar.” Christopher Tolkien, Requiescat in pace Last edited by Mithalwen; 05-28-2006 at 12:46 PM.

05-30-2006, 11:48 PM	#779
Diamond18 Eidolon of a Took Join Date: Sep 2002 Location: my own private fantasy world Posts: 3,460	I'm quite stumped. A little hint, please? looks sweet and helpless __________________ All shall be rather fond of me and suffer from mild depression.

06-01-2006, 01:01 PM	#780
Mithalwen Pilgrim Soul Join Date: May 2004 Location: watching the wonga-wonga birds circle... Posts: 9,458	Ooh I thought noone was trying... ok well if a flower can be a river in cross words ( ie something that flows) then a spanner might be ....? And it would have been kinder for me to write re. place with a broken spanner __________________ “But Finrod walks with Finarfin his father beneath the trees in Eldamar.” Christopher Tolkien, Requiescat in pace

06-01-2006, 02:16 PM	#781
Diamond18 Eidolon of a Took Join Date: Sep 2002 Location: my own private fantasy world Posts: 3,460	Ah, now I get the river=flower connection (was confused about that before!) but I don't have an answer yet. This is really quite tricky.... Must give it some thought. __________________ All shall be rather fond of me and suffer from mild depression.

06-01-2006, 02:19 PM	#782
Diamond18 Eidolon of a Took Join Date: Sep 2002 Location: my own private fantasy world Posts: 3,460	Well, on second thought, I'll throw out an off the cuff guess just to get it out of the way: The Bridge of Khazad Dum? It's a bridge, ie something that spans, and as I recall, it was broken. Not sure how to reconcile it with the first part. Anyway, I wanted to rule that out before thinking about it any further. __________________ All shall be rather fond of me and suffer from mild depression.

06-01-2006, 02:31 PM	#783
Mithalwen Pilgrim Soul Join Date: May 2004 Location: watching the wonga-wonga birds circle... Posts: 9,458	A spanner is a bridge but remember the clue is "re place with broken spanner" Ie it is the place with the broken bridge not the bridge itself. Not Kahazad dum but not so far geographically. Now see if you can get the place name from the first part of the clue __________________ “But Finrod walks with Finarfin his father beneath the trees in Eldamar.” Christopher Tolkien, Requiescat in pace

06-01-2006, 05:17 PM	#784
The Saucepan Man Corpus Cacophonous Join Date: Jan 2003 Location: A green and pleasant land Posts: 8,390	Aha! Imperfectly broken heart = an anagram of heart, but missing one letter = Thar No good = bad There was a broken bridge at Tharbad. __________________ Do you mind? I'm busy doing the fishstick. It's a very delicate state of mind!

06-02-2006, 06:25 AM	#785
Mithalwen Pilgrim Soul Join Date: May 2004 Location: watching the wonga-wonga birds circle... Posts: 9,458	Exactly. I will have to see if I can work butter into a clue sometime __________________ “But Finrod walks with Finarfin his father beneath the trees in Eldamar.” Christopher Tolkien, Requiescat in pace

06-06-2006, 02:56 AM	#786
The Saucepan Man Corpus Cacophonous Join Date: Jan 2003 Location: A green and pleasant land Posts: 8,390	Cheers, Mith. Next up: Maritime HQ found at end of paradise island, replacing capital of pirates' cove. __________________ Do you mind? I'm busy doing the fishstick. It's a very delicate state of mind!

06-08-2006, 09:06 PM	#787
Orome Wight Join Date: Jul 2002 Posts: 195	so i think i have worked out part of it. would the maritime HQ be Lighthouse?

08-29-2006, 06:33 PM	#795
Morsul the Dark Ghost Prince of Cardolan Join Date: May 2004 Posts: 3,448	Agent almost was Bleached Black __________________ Morsul the Resurrected

08-30-2006, 02:46 PM	#797
Gil-Galad Psyche of Prince Immortal Join Date: Feb 2003 Location: Above a Parapet Obvious exits are: North, South, and Dennis Posts: 4,734	agent makes me think of Thorongil, A.K.A. Aragorn __________________ Love doesn't blow up and get killed.

08-30-2006, 03:52 PM	#798
Morsul the Dark Ghost Prince of Cardolan Join Date: May 2004 Posts: 3,448	nope...it is a person however __________________ Morsul the Resurrected

09-09-2006, 02:47 PM	#799
Morsul the Dark Ghost Prince of Cardolan Join Date: May 2004 Posts: 3,448	Rephrasing the clue Former Agent Was Almost This Washed out Black Dude, Metal Head was instead its way too easy now __________________ Morsul the Resurrected

09-14-2006, 07:12 AM	#800
The Squatter of Amon Rûdh Spectre of Decay Join Date: Jan 2002 Location: Bar-en-Danwedh Posts: 2,178	Some straws clutched It looks as though this could be Head of the White Council, but it relies on some contorted reasoning. Washed-out black is grey, which implies either Gandalf or Thingol Grey-cloak. If we assume this means Gandalf, metal-head would be Saruman, whom Treebeard describes as having a mind of metal and wheels. The only position nearly occupied by Gandalf but eventually taken by Saruman is head of the White Council. One could say 'White wizard', although Gandalf does eventually become this. The problem seems to be that this isn't a person either, and 'this washed-out black dude' seems to suggest that the answer is Gandalf, or somebody else associated with grey. None of this really addresses 'former agent', which in a conventional cryptic clue would be 'ex spy' or 'ex rep'. All of which is but to say 'search me'. __________________ Man kenuva métim' andúne?

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