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Old 01-29-2003, 02:50 PM   #1
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Sting Balin jealous of Bilbo's ring?

Balin was the dwarf most interested in Bilbo's ring. Do you think this provoked his ill-fated return to Moria, in search of the ring of Thror? What powers would it have given him? (If it had been there, instead of with Sauron)
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Old 01-29-2003, 02:53 PM   #2
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Nah, surley not. Balin was just concerned for Bilbo, as he was the one who liked him best.
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Old 01-29-2003, 02:58 PM   #3
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i dont realy think so. I Think it was just to get away from Dain over his shoulder on everything he did. i know that this has alredy been said and arued, but i think that Balin was envius of Dain seeing as how he was closer to Thorin than Dain.


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Old 01-29-2003, 03:30 PM   #4
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Poor old Balin! [img]smilies/smile.gif[/img]
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Old 01-29-2003, 03:42 PM   #5
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A curious idea, I recently wrote down most of my thoughts re: Balin and is ill-fated quest to Moria here.
But I did not mention the strange comment of Gloin at the council of Elrond that "It was partially in the hopes of finding Thror's ring that Balin went to Moria.

Curious on 2 counts:

1. that he did not know, from Thorin that it had been passed on to Thrain, but not Thorin [goes to show how secretive Dwarves are!] and
2. That Balin was indeed perhaps trying to one-up [or in this case 2 two-up] Dain, by being Lord of Moria andhopefully the bearer of the Ring of the House of Durin.

In fact that seriously re-inforces the idea of my above thread.

As for Balin being jealous of Bilbo/'s Ring.

I doubt it, but it certainly may have given him the idea that great luck might go with it, just as seemed to go with Bilbo's Ring.
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Old 01-29-2003, 04:05 PM   #6
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That's funny Lindil, I didn't read your bit about Balin when I asked my question. We're having similar thoughts. [img]smilies/smile.gif[/img] I just picture Balin asking Bilbo to tell him the story over and over again, as a nice "start" to his desire to own a ring of power. Bilbo's escapades with the ring's help were mighty impressive! I'll read your words now! [img]smilies/smile.gif[/img]
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Old 01-29-2003, 04:25 PM   #7
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Well now, If Balin had been able to find the ring and become a "Ring bearer", he would have most definitely upped Dain (IMO). So no, I guess he wasn't "jealous" of Bilbo's ring, he was jealous of Dain! A ring of power makes a very definitive statementon "Who's who"! I guess he was extremely impressed by Bilbo's ring.
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I don't think he was intentionally jealous if it is shown that he is, as it is the RING OF POWER and therefore people will be drawn to it a la Boromir etc.
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Old 01-29-2003, 04:56 PM   #9
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I think you're painting Balin as a bit of an underhanded scheming type here. Thats certainly not the impression I had when reading the Hobbit. Balin seems to be the 'best' of the Dwarves, reasonably courageous, not as arrogant as Thorin and most friendly to the 'professional treasure seeker'.

I think Balin eventually became a little bored with Erebor, he seems the most 'adventurous' of the original 13 Dwarves. Also Dain had the responsibility of a kingdom to run so couldn't be expected to lead the expedition to Moria.

Balin then seems the perfect choice to go to Moria, after all he'd already been instrumental in restoring one Dwarven kingdom, why not a second?

As for the seventh ring, I doubt the Dwarves really expected to find it in Moria, after all Sauron certainly wouldn't have left it in the hands of some brigand or orc chieftain. It was an outside chance at best though certainly Bilbo's exploits and, later, Sauron's emissary must have focussed the minds of the Dwarves on the subject of rings.

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Old 01-29-2003, 04:58 PM   #10
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Sorry, it was not my intent to make he seem bad, I was just saying that any jealousy that could be found of Bilbo's ring may have come from the fact that it is the Ring of Power.
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Old 01-29-2003, 11:47 PM   #11
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I pretty much answered this in the original thread, but there is something that should be mentioned here.

At that moment in time, nobody knew that Bilbo's ring was the One Ring. Gandalf only (very partially) suspected it at that moment. Balin certainly had no inkling of it. There was no real reason to connect it to the Rings of Power, at least to the uninitiated. To Balin it was just "Bilbo's funny magic ring." Almost a toy, a very useful toy, but still something of a toy. And I seriously doubt that Balin was close enough long enough to really feel any "pull" from the Ring. And Dwarves were not given to that sort of thing anyway, aside from aesthetic value, of course.

*Sigh!* Everyone seems to be raining on Balin's parade of late.

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Old 01-30-2003, 05:21 AM   #12
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Balin surely wasn't that interested in the Ring. Of course, Bilbo had used it to trick Balin and whenever Balin thought about the Ring he would remember that funny little story, almost a fond memory of the Quest.

I don't think Rings of Power had anything to do with the expedition to Moria.
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Old 01-30-2003, 01:56 PM   #13
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I don't think Rings of Power had anything to do with the expedition to Moria.
Gloin did.
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Indeed, I may now reveal that it was partly to find that ring that Balin went away.
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Old 01-30-2003, 02:19 PM   #14
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But surely Balin would've known that the Ring of Durin's house was taken by Sauron off Thrain. Unless it was another ring he was seeking for?
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No, In the Fellowhip of the Ring it is clearly stated that Balin went back to Moria partly in hopes of finding Thror's ring.
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And what exactly would the ring have done to Balin (the dwarf ring not the One Ring)?

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Evidently, made him very greedy.
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Old 01-30-2003, 08:10 PM   #18
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By the way Kuruharan, I feel I am defending balin's honour also, I think he should have been lord of Erebor, not Dain. I am not in any way implying wrong-doing on balin's part.
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